Awesome that the things I asked beginning to become reality. I'm ready to create mods!
But I have some questions.
1. For example, if I made an obvious model Nissan S13 according to the blueprints, I will not add the logos and nameplates. Сan you accept such a model? Does it fit the criteria for not using real cars? Maybe you need to somehow change the geometry of the model?
For example here is Nissan SilEighty which is a real fan modification of Nissan 180SX (rear) and Nissan S13 (front) which has never been released in the factory. No car names or logos, images are attached. Сan you accept this?
2. In LX4 we have a configuration that allows adding the roof. Сan we do something similar? For example dozens of additional modifications, with a spoiler, without a spoiler, different rims, different sets of body kits, etc? Will there be any limit? Not considering the limit of the triangles and vertices.
3. On cars with wheels protruding from the body, you can see how the suspension works. I think it is possible based on this make a more detailed version of the suspension with springs, struts, and shock absorbers that will also work. I'm wrong?
Nice News! Mods support is that can give rise to the popularity of LFS.
As well as Track Editor. But this is a little later i guess..
As well as Track Editor. But this is a little later i guess..
I'm afraid that you got misunderstanding of the situation in which the development of LFS is. Maybe subconsciously you try to compare it to other big projects and because of this you have that resentment.
LFS developers are investing all the time, but that is only 2 people, one writes the code and the second is engaged in modeling and texturing. And it's all. Other projects may have dozens or even hundreds of developers. There is no need to compare it.
And there is no easier to say the exact date. Considering that they constantly have new ideas, or they take what they see in the Improvement Suggestions threads and appearing bugs which amount depends how big update itself. All this requires additional time to resolve. If they said the date, it would also constantly delay, which would cause even more complains.
If the Scawen said "soon" (who never says anything about the update time and date) then it means it is already on the horizon. And they always release updates earlier as a test patch so that others can suggest improvements and find bugs, so you didn't suggest anything new. And maybe I'm wrong, but im belive the test patch will appear during the November.
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wishlist:
- Trackeditor. LFS with ingame browser of tracks created by players with default filter by rating. (that would be clear that high-quality tracks needed)
- Vob modding support in lfs with ingame browser car mods created by players with default filter by rating and with adding car in garage apart from others feature. (that would be clear that high-quality mods needed)
Only these two things will greatly fill LFS with content and unload the developers. In fact, these things will already be enough to make LFS a mainstream simulator, like the Asseto Corsa is now. Free modding is what gives life to many games. For some reason, many do not understand that these are priority things. all the following desired versions of cars or tracks will be available in browsers.
Not so important but good things:
- Version of the car without taking finish time with the ability to change all parameters, engine, wheel width and diameter, wheel rims etc
- Update default cars models (to more poligonal\detailed versions)
- Dynamic weather and wipers
- Better damage model: carbody, suspension breaking, engine overheat, gearbox breaking, etc
- Dynamic temperature of asphalt (depending on tire driveways and weather)
- In-race safety car bot
- Car Sounds, revlimmiter, wind on hight speed, etc
- Update driver mesh, better animations (gear change, levers and buttons control)
- Trackeditor. LFS with ingame browser of tracks created by players with default filter by rating. (that would be clear that high-quality tracks needed)
- Vob modding support in lfs with ingame browser car mods created by players with default filter by rating and with adding car in garage apart from others feature. (that would be clear that high-quality mods needed)
Only these two things will greatly fill LFS with content and unload the developers. In fact, these things will already be enough to make LFS a mainstream simulator, like the Asseto Corsa is now. Free modding is what gives life to many games. For some reason, many do not understand that these are priority things. all the following desired versions of cars or tracks will be available in browsers.
Not so important but good things:
- Version of the car without taking finish time with the ability to change all parameters, engine, wheel width and diameter, wheel rims etc
- Update default cars models (to more poligonal\detailed versions)
- Dynamic weather and wipers
- Better damage model: carbody, suspension breaking, engine overheat, gearbox breaking, etc
- Dynamic temperature of asphalt (depending on tire driveways and weather)
- In-race safety car bot
- Car Sounds, revlimmiter, wind on hight speed, etc
- Update driver mesh, better animations (gear change, levers and buttons control)
Now this is clearly the biggest track in LFS, justifying the name of the "City". Great job devs!
in drifting on road cars i do not see a strong difference between cold tires and in the optimum temperature of the tires
I didn’t say there’s no difference, i said "do not see a strong difference" and i do not said that is not okay, there need to understand what I mean. "they have a bit more grip and respond better in various situations." Maybe, and maybe that is placebo effect. Statements like "I can feel it" are arbitrary and have no verification value. I can give an example, Grip in relation to temperature can be easily verified by more objective indicators such as lap time. In time attack KY oval or BL gp can be improved by about 0.1-0.2 seconds if the tires are warmed up to optimal temperature. If you say you can feel it ok, then come on do it yourself. For an experienced racer, it is not difficult to drive with a difference between the results within 0.2 seconds on a one minute configuration in same conditions, but it will be harder to say to the exactly tenth of second.
And there is thought experiment starts, a lap time of 1 minute starting cold tires on track like predict your exact result up to tenth of a second without displaying the interface of lap times and sectors. And if the result is better than tossing a coin, then maybe you're right. But usually people don't feel it. Although this can be understood from mistakes or well-passed turns..But the conversation is purely about feeling grip in a moment. If you do it yourself I think you will understand more than what you are talking about. Yes 0.2 sec it still a difference and its important difference for racers, but it a still small difference, that a very hard to feel in a moment especially when we talking about drifting. I would say that this is impossible to feel, but who knows, maybe you have super expensive steering wheel with sensitive feedback and in same time you so special that you can feel the trampling of horses in a field 10 km away.
I didn’t say there’s no difference, i said "do not see a strong difference" and i do not said that is not okay, there need to understand what I mean. "they have a bit more grip and respond better in various situations." Maybe, and maybe that is placebo effect. Statements like "I can feel it" are arbitrary and have no verification value. I can give an example, Grip in relation to temperature can be easily verified by more objective indicators such as lap time. In time attack KY oval or BL gp can be improved by about 0.1-0.2 seconds if the tires are warmed up to optimal temperature. If you say you can feel it ok, then come on do it yourself. For an experienced racer, it is not difficult to drive with a difference between the results within 0.2 seconds on a one minute configuration in same conditions, but it will be harder to say to the exactly tenth of second.
And there is thought experiment starts, a lap time of 1 minute starting cold tires on track like predict your exact result up to tenth of a second without displaying the interface of lap times and sectors. And if the result is better than tossing a coin, then maybe you're right. But usually people don't feel it. Although this can be understood from mistakes or well-passed turns..But the conversation is purely about feeling grip in a moment. If you do it yourself I think you will understand more than what you are talking about. Yes 0.2 sec it still a difference and its important difference for racers, but it a still small difference, that a very hard to feel in a moment especially when we talking about drifting. I would say that this is impossible to feel, but who knows, maybe you have super expensive steering wheel with sensitive feedback and in same time you so special that you can feel the trampling of horses in a field 10 km away.
Nice work devs! Its great update for everyone but Drifters and Rally guys special grateful to you. Waiting for the next update with graphics and physics.
Judge task for First Stage of Lislon Drift Challenge
First Stage is starting today!
Judge task:
- Acceleration from leader according to waiting opponent, respect zone is until blue line. (Distance is more than car body on blue line - restart and one strike for leader)
- Initiation is yellow-blue line marks (Before that small flip without slowing down is allowed)
- Deacceleration zone is red line marks on side of track (Handbrake is allowed, brake is not allowed)
- Outside zone is yellow line marks (Need kill green clip for perfect run)
- Touch and Go is white line marks (Need one wheel in it for correct pass)
- Finish is red line.
ititiation can be done in small flip without slowing down, or cluch kick.
Brake is not allowed.
Handbrake is allowed only in Deacc zone.
False start - restart and one strike for leader (allowed for follower)
Non-compliance respect zone - restart and one strike for leader (Distance is more than car body on initiation is not allowed)
3 Strike in one hit - Disqualification.
Qualification and Pair Runs spreadsheets - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BQEa95JZWRIW8c__VgWK0-ch-L-HLZ3mvlAGSMOf-sM/edit#gid=1608383885
Judge task:
- Acceleration from leader according to waiting opponent, respect zone is until blue line. (Distance is more than car body on blue line - restart and one strike for leader)
- Initiation is yellow-blue line marks (Before that small flip without slowing down is allowed)
- Deacceleration zone is red line marks on side of track (Handbrake is allowed, brake is not allowed)
- Outside zone is yellow line marks (Need kill green clip for perfect run)
- Touch and Go is white line marks (Need one wheel in it for correct pass)
- Finish is red line.
ititiation can be done in small flip without slowing down, or cluch kick.
Brake is not allowed.
Handbrake is allowed only in Deacc zone.
False start - restart and one strike for leader (allowed for follower)
Non-compliance respect zone - restart and one strike for leader (Distance is more than car body on initiation is not allowed)
3 Strike in one hit - Disqualification.
Qualification and Pair Runs spreadsheets - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BQEa95JZWRIW8c__VgWK0-ch-L-HLZ3mvlAGSMOf-sM/edit#gid=1608383885
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Lislon Drift Challenge
Lislon Drift Challenge
Drift Сompetition with Qualification and Pair runs on Single-elimination tournament
Lislon Drift Challenge is a drift competition with an unlimited number of stages in order to identify the strongest drivers on a specific track. The number of judges is 3, in qualification each be responsible for their criterion: Style, Line and Angle. In pair runs, refereeing is carried out by simultaneous (blind) voting, in the chat of each of the referees. (to eliminate the suggestibility / influence factor) in the case of 3 judges. The competition is held in the format of qualification + Pair runs (top 32\16 or top 8)
Events will be held on LSN Drift Ground server.
First Stage
The LSN DRIFT GROUND server is open for training runs
● First Stage Date - 27.02.2021
● Time - 18:00 Moscow time (15:00 UTC)
● Server - LSN DRIFT GROUND
● Password: - lsndrfch1
● Сars - XRT
● Tires - normal / cold
● Judges - RDC Alexey, Maxxis Pakkeji, and some others
● Discord - https://discord.gg/4bRSQtnUje
● Regulations - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dxegRv1yWDXJ463gdCIrLRLVZN72nYX8EPIp-xkyowA/edit
● Server Rules - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dyVm0u_RybF8UekFwcS8xpHeTSaYseBNxvmfFF6Xkxw/edit
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I do not see anything wrong with the FZR being faster in drifting than the XRR, this is the variety in cars that we asked for, including the variety of car behavior and car handling, at competitions in lfs you can always make it necessary to participate in intake restriction or ballast for balanced cars. So no problem here.
I have been a fan and a spectator of drift since of 2009, and for this I know about all the details that take place in the real competitions. Yes, there is a car for Formula D and wheels width with 300mm+, but usually they have 1000hp+ so I don't think this is relevant in our discussion. Imao 265 the width of the rear tire is better for XRR, this width is set to the maximum for example in RDS GP competitions who is the organizer and supporter of FIA IDC 2021. In DMEC you can participate too on 265 wheels and 285 max. And those with a 285 wheel usually have 600+ horsepower to effectively drive on it. So I don't see anything wrong with that. But 275 is ok for me too.
But I am pleased with this reaction to the feedback that I see from the Sсawen, thanks for supporting the drift community!
And I noticed some looks like bugs, idk it mention before or not, when you switch the configuration from RX\Drift to Default and back, then the active setups gets lost parameters of Steering lock and tire type, lock is going to 24 and tires to slicks.
And , about steering wheel hand animation, its quite broken now on 1080 degrees lock to lock when you have a large steering lock value.
And , about steering wheel hand animation, its quite broken now on 1080 degrees lock to lock when you have a large steering lock value.
Everything in drifting is works fine for me now
Some Drift testing. For me it works nice.
But some time inconvenient to change gears, it would be more convenient to make H-pattern gearbox for RX\Drift configuration.
XRR on Road super tires
FZR on Normal tires on rear
XRR on Normal tires on rear
But some time inconvenient to change gears, it would be more convenient to make H-pattern gearbox for RX\Drift configuration.
XRR on Road super tires
FZR on Normal tires on rear
XRR on Normal tires on rear
And one more thing, drifters on Pro competitions always make warm up rear and front tires before they make runs, and i mean realy always, for get more grip, and after some driver got straght wheels or spinout you can hear something like "i do not warm up tires whell, becouse of that it happen" Thats mean for drifters, tire heating is important to do if if he doesn't want to get a lack in the grip.
But in LFS drifting it does not work quite like that, in drifting on road cars i do not see a strong difference between cold tires and in the optimum temperature of the tires, but after the tires heat up more than the optimum temperature and the tires start to smoke, the grip drops significantly, which I did not see that would happen in a real drift...
According to my feelings there is a mismatch to real life in this.
But in LFS drifting it does not work quite like that, in drifting on road cars i do not see a strong difference between cold tires and in the optimum temperature of the tires, but after the tires heat up more than the optimum temperature and the tires start to smoke, the grip drops significantly, which I did not see that would happen in a real drift...
According to my feelings there is a mismatch to real life in this.
Omg is amazing new feature! In fact, it's almost XRD.
But how it will be works? Choosing on Cars menu in Garage or in Setups?
Edit: oh im see it now, sorry.
Now looks good for drifting now, but maybe need some testing for checking how it will be working in drifting.
And last point for drifters is make more power for GTRs is like 650-800hp will be nice. I understand that this cannot be done becouse it can be used for hard track racing, but maybe you can make restrictions for configuration RX / DRIFT in racing participation, maybe some prohibited finish or taking off account results or some like that? It will be so great for drifters if yo can do it..
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It is important to note that drift as motorsport discipline allows within of real competitions to participate in cars with different engines, wich castom made modifications and tuning, which have leads to the fact that the participants have different amounts of horsepower and torque, as well as with suspensions kits, chassis selection and etc, and even allow the use of different tire widths up to a certain limit. For example, there are some cases in competitions when rivals in pair runs have a difference of 500 horsepower!
But here it is also worth noting that real Pro competitions already have more power then GTRs in LFS, and than they even have, the some cars power reaches 1000hp and more. And on average it is 700-800hp today. Maybe this should be noted for the future updates. And Im referring to the thread is made a real Pro drifter about the XRD (XR - Professional Drift Version) in Improvement Suggestions forum and i hope to see that in some day.
I would say that in real competitions, the steering lock is depends to the power of the car that you have, in local events where cars have 250-400 hp there is no a strong need to install the wisefab kit and have a large steering angle, 40-45 degrees is enough, if you have 450 or more hp then more and more pilots come to the needing for a large steering angle and install a wisefab kit or some similar suspension kit.
Therefore, i propose to adhere to the same principle in LFS, i as a drifter in LFS do not see a strong need for 60 degrees for XRT and all less powerful RWD cars, 45 is more than enough for me, for example you can make 50 degrees for FZ5, and 55 for RWD GTRs.
And in LFS drifters always or almost always use 0% Parallel steering.
But here it is also worth noting that real Pro competitions already have more power then GTRs in LFS, and than they even have, the some cars power reaches 1000hp and more. And on average it is 700-800hp today. Maybe this should be noted for the future updates. And Im referring to the thread is made a real Pro drifter about the XRD (XR - Professional Drift Version) in Improvement Suggestions forum and i hope to see that in some day.
I would say that in real competitions, the steering lock is depends to the power of the car that you have, in local events where cars have 250-400 hp there is no a strong need to install the wisefab kit and have a large steering angle, 40-45 degrees is enough, if you have 450 or more hp then more and more pilots come to the needing for a large steering angle and install a wisefab kit or some similar suspension kit.
Therefore, i propose to adhere to the same principle in LFS, i as a drifter in LFS do not see a strong need for 60 degrees for XRT and all less powerful RWD cars, 45 is more than enough for me, for example you can make 50 degrees for FZ5, and 55 for RWD GTRs.
And in LFS drifters always or almost always use 0% Parallel steering.
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I want to remind everyone about this thread, now the Scawen is doing a test patch to make it possible for XRR FZR cars to drift, but I would also like to see full-fledged drift cars like XRD and FZD in the end.
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Do you have accepted decision about this? Or can it be only for the release of the patch? It's important for us as drift community thats is quite large in LFS, I show a examples of real suspension from Wisefab using by real drifters which steering lock stof more than 60 degrees. But I think in LFS 50 degrees steering angle is enough for XRR and FZR.
XRR and FZR are good in terms of power, tire wide and even body elements thats are comparative to real Pro competitions like Formula Drift, Drift Masters European Championship, or FIA Intercontinental Drifting Cup and becouse of that and without a tire selection, large steering lock there there cant be drifting on XRR and FZR and this is not comparable with real competitions as it happens in the LFS on XRT, FZ5, RAC, and LX6 now.
I like the idea of making drift cars out of GTR, like the choice of road or sports tires, increase the Steering lock to at least 50 is already enough in my opinion. Although examples of real suspensions by wisefab show that more can be achieved. And GTR is since the weight, power, and even body elements are similar to how drift cars are involved in reality at Pro competitions, but this does not look like TBO or LRF class as it happens in LFS.
Therefore, it would be correct from the point of view of a motorsport simulator, which is LFS, and drift is recognized by the FIA as motorsport.
I know examples of suspensions that allow you to make large steering lock angles, at least 60 degrees is possible.
"Offering over 60 degrees of steering lock, the near zero ackerman Wisefab BMW kit provides more steering angle than you will ever need, without hitting the lower arms like you would on a normal high steering angle BMW set up."
https://www.wisefab.co.uk/wisefab-bmw-e30.html#:~:text=Offering%20over%2060%20degrees%20of,steering%20angle%20BMW%20set%20up.
https://youtu.be/m8IRrcOTFgY?t=93
https://youtu.be/REQEJe5NbxM
Nice work!
Is there a chance we'll see the track editor release after this update?
And after the release, how the player-made tracks will be distributed?
Is there a chance we'll see the track editor release after this update?
And after the release, how the player-made tracks will be distributed?
Interesting! Waiting for it. But i have three more questions now
Will the new tire physics include twisting of side tire? (like on pic)
Will the new tire physics include differences in the metal cords of different types of tire? For example, in a sports tire, a stiffer tire cord is made in the side parts of the tire too, and normal road tires have a harder rubber composition but a weak metal cord. I'm sure this affects on behavior of tires on the track.
We have 4 types of slicks now from hard to soft one, but one type of normal and one sport tires. In my opinion, this is not entirely fair, I think for normal and sports tires it is worth adding tires with different treadwear coefficients. From hard to soft. Hot laps after the patch will be reset anyway. Will it be possible to do this?
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Nice, but i remember there has problems with merging code of the two LFS builds, how progress is going on now of merging builds with tire physics and graphics, or it is done now?
+1
Wow, good idea, will be nice to see some like that in future
For me XRT is clearly identifiable representations of Mitsubishi Starion GX, but that is approved by devs, that means mods like that is okay, but then where is the boundary that determines the difference of "clearly identifiable representations of real cars" to quite a change from the real car?
I can model my own mesh and make mods, but without this clearly understood borderline for everyone, maybe problems will arise here.
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