Niiiiiiiice work, guys!!

Quote from Hyperactive :

This post is not directed at anyone, just something I always want to say when I read these driving view threads.

With the custom views etc. LFS allows you set the view so that you can see everything around you better than you would in real life. You can see exactly where your front tire goes and how close to the grass it is on the corner exit. With wheels view you can leave 0.5 millimeters between you and the wall and be 100% sure that you won't touch the wall. You can predict the racing line perfectly when looking the world around you higher than any real life racer is able to look. You get better visibility in blind corners, see the other cars perfectly and have 0 blind spots, A-pillars obstructing your vision etc..

I'm happy with the almost default cockpit view. It has the A-pillars blocking my view into corners, all other pillars obstructing partly my vision into other directions. I don't have my eyes 20 feet high so I don't see others on the track perfectly, some times I have to guess where they are. I have to guess how close I am to the wall as I can't tell it from the cockpit. So sometimes I hit something when I thought there was more room, sometimes I find out that there was more room than I thought.

I have tried the wheels-view and it was faster and easier. But not realistic, at all. Everybody to their own, I'm not saying that you should use this or that. But in my books using the wheels view, setting the camera a bit higher is cheating. Rough word, but that's my honest opinion.

Been driving cars for just 5 years in real life. Always inside the cockpit.

I am a bit worried. You have driven an irl car for 5 years, and you can`t tell the difference !?

How does that sound

But you finns can drive any car, anywhere - faaaast !
Finns are born with gasoline in their venes

Quote from sinbad :

Wait a second, a view with the camera positioned where the driver's head would be is less realistic than an x-ray vision camera positioned in the middle of the car with only the front wheels on show? What sort of cars have you been driving?

I'm sure I've posted before in this thread so my opinions are "on record" and I won't repeat myself, but when I see people justifying the realism claims made about the central "wheels view", with no sort of real basis for doing so, it winds me up.

Do you own a car yourself !?

It`s the feeling of the road - The black material underneath the car, I`m speaking of

I have to see this black material move, to drive the car. Sitting in the cockpit, do not allow you the same feeling, as in an IRL car.

When I choose this view, I get the closest to the IRL feeling, I can get. I have tried all views, and I mean ALL !

I am working on a better view, and are planning to get in the car, when I get the rigth equipment. I am in the market for a projector, which could give me the rigth feeling I seek.

But again - Money is the issue

EDIT :

And again. All the openwheelers, i sit IN THE CAR !

Lx4, Lx6, Fox, Fo8, Mrt, Bf1, so 33% of the cars is ok - Rigth

REEDIT :

And in the uf1000, when the top is off - Now we`re really getting somewhere !

Last edited by alland44, Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:54.

Quote from danowat :

Nothing will EVER be totally realistic, it is a game after all, but the cockpit view is a more realistic representation of what you see in a real car.

Dan,

No it isn`t - The cockpitview is a poor view, and is nowhere close to the real thing. I`ve been driving my own cars, since 1977, so my statement has a sort of value.

I usually see the tires, in the position they are in a real car. Openwheelers I sit in the "cockpit".

The cockpitview, is the worst thing about LFS, and any other simlike racergame, as you can never ever get the feeling, from a real car. I have seen those three screens setups - They look much much better, but I do not earn enough money, to buy such thingies !?

Force cockpitview on me, and I will drop LFS instantly.

Quote from imthebestracerthereis :

how many laps do you have to do to get it on lfsworld?


thanks!

1 lap is enough. But you have to drive clean, to be allowed to submit a hotlap. You can see the hotlap time, if any legal, up in the rigth corner.
The time will be inside the paranteses - Again, if you have got any legal one

Quote from ajp71 :

Try LFS with 12 AI...

And turn on fraps

Suddenly you have a picture show

Yeahhh !

You have to learn to control the analyzers yourself, for the best results.
You can watch WR against your lap simultainously - It`s the best way to use these analyzers

EDIT :
Did I spell that word correctly --->Simul...... ?
Hard word for a non english person

Quote from ch4zz :

REAR ONE I looks for one setup for AS national FZ50GTR with inferno I have schonn one look for however still 1 or 2 setups

Or write in german, then someone could translate for you

I really like the way you work. It`s the only way, following the creative mind and spirit, for the time being.

This method ensures a better product, when it´s finished.

Personally, I have no rush, and I can easily keep driving the present simulator, for a long time. And knowing it`s getting better, is a big thrill.

Take all the time you need (Almost ) and make us the worlds best carsimulator. What !? - Sorry, make the worlds best carsimulator even better ! (That was more like it !)

And good luck with those projects, not containing Lfs - Those projects could last forever

Quote from jjones :

Well just had a race some prick hit me up up the ars and never said sorry. This happens to much and im starting to think that lfs is full of pricks. Probelly 20% of racers on lfs are good guys the rest are just idiots

There is way to many wreckers in Lfs, that`s why I`m not driving online so often. I used to race daily, but I`m sick and tired of the growing numbers of bad racers.

It`s very hard to find good servers, now`a`days.

Quote from mrodgers :

Not long ago I midraced joined a server and sat on pit exit to wait for folks to go by before I ran out for a few laps of practice. It happened to be the final lap of the race and as I was coming up on a slow/stopped car, I saw him say "out of fuel, LOL" in chat. I locked them up, backed up and pushed him across the line as well.

I would ban you, on my server, for that

Quote from mr grady :

I've just been racing on a public server on Aston GP using the V8's.

had a good few races and on the last found myself in 2nd place behind a fast leader.on the last lap he made a mistake 3/4's of the way round, which let me slip by into first place. approaching the downhill chicane i was 0.5 seconds in front. i outbraked myself for the chicane and took it slower than usual. on the straight he clipped me and spun me into the pit lane. what do you think he did next?

he slowed right down, and told me to take the win.

you hear a lot about bad/aggressive/unsportsmanlike racing so much that i feel it was a real breath of fresh air to race with such a sporting guy.

for the record, his name is Julek Krokowski, LFS name: BMR Linus.

This is THE ONLY way, to say I`m sorry, when you just made a mistake, causing an opponent to spinn off.

You`ll meet 1000 Lfs racers, banging into you, and then you read "Sorrry"
They are not sorry, if they keep driving. If you hit another racer, your faulth off course, you have to wait untill he passes you. Nobody does that - They just write that damned "sorry" and think they rigthfully can go on with the race !?

You`re only sorry, if you show it !!!!

If I make a really big bummer - I seldom do that - Then i go into the pit, waiting for the next race, and express my "sorry"ness to the unlucky guy/girl I just hit.

This guy did rigth - I wish more would follow "the rigth way"

I installed the u22 patch, a couple of days ago. Yesterday I tried the F1 on the oval. Ohh boy - When you come close to the wall - The crackles and pops are disgusting. But why did I write it then ?

I have played around with midifiles and soundcards and soundfonts, for a while now. If you use a tool, for editing music, as Cubase ligth - You will experience just the same crackles, when you overload the system. (To many tracks, using big soundfonts, at the same time)

On a smaller system, with a Soundblaster Audigy, using a large piano soundfont - I get 99,0 % of a Chopin piece rigth, untill he really quickly starts hitting the piano. Again these crackles and pops destroys the music.

But in both instances, you can cure "the disease" by turning som buffersizes up and down. Not all systems are the same, especially the soundcards are not. Could it be a solution, to work out a tool which adjusted those buffers and the other thingies, one adjust in a "music system" ? - I recon that there is not the big differences between a music system, and a game sound system - Both have to work hard, and needs to be adjusted some times - Or am I all wrong

Quote from Boris Lozac :

Are u really serious guys?? You are asking for the better AI's in the online racing simulator. There are tons of other things that are more important to be done, and it really is a LOT of work for one guy, so you REALLY want better AI?? I don't get it really.. The progress is slow, because Scawen has to do ALL of the work, and you want him to spend time on the AI?..

Ai`s are good obstacles, when you train a car/track combo. More people should take an hour offline, before the join an online race.

Then we migth avoid many wreckers

In So City, the Mrt AI`s is very capable drivers. Especially in S1

Quote from BigDave2967 :

http://img420.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fo8ssk3.jpg

Good to see the V8S back in action after being so rarely used, compared to the FOX and BF1.

It got caugth, when we got the Bmw Sauber. All the speed freaks, jumped from f08 to the F1 - And the openwheel noobs, like myself, likes the closer figths and competition, in the easier driven fox.

Is there somewhere you could download well trained AI`s ?

I have noticed, more and more improved files, which improves sound and "picture".

People are updating tracks and sounds and ..

Could this be a problem, driving online. I think of - If 23 racers races without changes, and we compare with 23 racers which have updated all their files !?

Could this create lag ? Or be a factor in creating lag ?

Heja sverige !

Mycket bra att ni fortsätter.

Lycka til

And forgive me my swedish - I read it better than I speak it.

Whenever I had thursday off, i joined gummicuppen - I will miss that and SDRA

Quote from osen :

Hello

I've been racing the DEMO for a while and I really got hooked. Did a LOT of laps on Blackwood with the GTI and my PB was around 1.33.8x. Really fun and I really felt that I could keep up with most of the racers

So I bought a new wheel (Logitech MOMO) and purchased a S2 license... and it's really boring? Almost no servers at all? What are you supposed to do? Join teams and get acces to private servers? What am I missing?

Also, I bet this has been repeated millions of times, but I can't find any good information about it: What is the "best" way to start learning the new cars and tracks? What cars are the most popular and what tracks? I appriciate any advice, thanks.

I'm really that kind of person who just uses one car and race one track until near perfection (and then keep racing that combo because I can't race anything else lol illepall). I want to change that Please give me some advice as how to start racing serious.

Seems to be a great community and I hope to get more into it

/osen

Hi Osen !

Are you familliar with the swedish "clan" SDRA. You can find them at www.sdra.se

Maby something for you

Quote from Gunn :

LFS is the perfect choice for me.

And for me to !

I don`t care about mods, or colorfull graphics, as much as I care for racing. In fact you could have all the mods in the world, and let me have the uf1000 and the Mrt. All I want to do is race - And race all my Lfs friends ONLINE ! - Not some crappy ai drivers - But real live people, all over "mother earth"

In the danish Lfs society, the most wanted improvement, seems to be the sound. Not many, if any, complaints over Lfs as it is rigth now. We all know that this is not the finished product, and we can easily wait for the next "level" because the devs seems to deeply impress us every time they do that. (go to next level)

As a racing simulator Lfs has no competition - If you want a sim racer game, with arcade graphics, feel free to choose Rfactor or whatever you want. Every time you write your silly stuff about Rfactor feeling, you insult most of the people in this forum. Go insult some other people, please !

Quote from Alan Dove :

I am not buying you can feel whats going on!

When you lock up the fronts there is no feedback what so ever, and you rely purely on the visual feedback to judge braking pressure! That's just wrong!

I didn't say LFS should have 'real' tracks either. Just better, more imaginative tracks that really challange you. At the moment the tracks are more like a dot to dot driving experience.

Look, I know on a LFS forum everyone is going to say LFS is the best or whatever, but I fear you lot can't see the wood for the tree's. Of course LFS has the most mathmatically correct hanmdling model, but it doesn't translate quite as well as it should.

Also, how on earth can people be so quick with mouses and keyboards. that's just wrong. The reason why is because the game relies upon visual feedback more so than proper feedback.

You don`t give up easily !? Do you !

I have tried almost any sim racing out there. As demo or game. Earlier cargames are very cheap.

I bougth toca racedriver online, and played around with it for a few hours. It sits on my computer, doing nothing - A total waste of my money. I got the gtr2 as a gift for my birthday (gets it this week). The game hasn`t hit the market i Denmark yet, but I drove the demo. This is a game too.

Tried R factor demo, and this flop Nkart.

Again. I play toca, I play Rfactor, I play Nkart, I play gtr 2 - But i drive LFS !

As simple as that.

EDIT :

BTW - Have you ever driven a real car ?

REEDIT :

Regarding the tracks. I have driven Lfs for 2 or three years now. Lfs tracks exsists in my brain, and are just as real as any IRL racing track.

Last edited by alland44, Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:22.

Quote from Alan Dove :

I think the main problem with LFS is it runs way to much on the actual mathmatics and lacks feel. One of these problems I have with it is that I react to visual things rather than actual what 'feel' I get from the wheel.

LFS is a sim code otaki's wet dream. But the base feel i get from it is lacking.

This is why i prefer rFactor. the game is based more upon the feel of a car. The feedback, and sound provides a more coherant, and realistic feel.

rFactor is by no means perfect but I think that a sim based on the actual feel of a car, rather than the pure mathmatical equations will come out top.

Live for Speed also needs to sort out the circuits. They just are not right, and the lack of good detail prohibits the use of reference points.

A lot of the circuits are too wide and long.

Once again its the lack of feel of what racing and driving is about that counts against lfs.

Everytime I play it I can imagine all the millions of equations pumping away but it kinda ruins it.

That's not to say LFS is bad. I actually play LFS a lot more on line than rFactor. LFS is an excellent bug free zone.

I bougth Lfs, because it was the first sim that felt "rigth" - Not arcade game a like.

You write pure rubbish

I don`t think that time is the key. It`s the combination of track and car.
If the combo is easy, as fox on Ky oval, you gotta have more laps, than Rac on As Cadet.

When I drive a good combo, with lots of good racers, and tigth figth - I do not feel the time passing. I have sat and wondered, many times, when a race is finished "Man, did there just pass 25 minutes here"