how reliable is your aprilla? im thinking of getting another bike soon and its going to be between a rsvr, 929 blade or a gsxr 1000, now i know the other two are faster but theres always been somthing about the rsvr, just worried about it breaking down all the time?

wanna cyber dan? threesome?

kart for 2000 you'd race at club level in 125 rotax max class or simular, spares? depends what you break but theres not much to them, parts are fairly cheap too chassis will last years but you could get it re jigged every season if you wanted for less than £200, 25 hours between rebuilds at £300 a rebuild and you cant do it yourself as its a sealed unit. and if you did'nt mean money terms when you said afford then dont say afford, simple just say you dont want to race karts its easier.

how much was your car? you talk about the people you race with having low budgets but then say they have artic lorries! ooo00000 nitrogen in the tyres slow down space man your loosing me, i dont race karts/cars/bikes so i dont have an axe to grind im just stating the facts about karting

and you have a pm

great picture .. bad car

not sure what you mean by clapped out kart/engine, ive seen very clean karts 2004/05 for sale with mint engines going for less than 2000,
but i know what your saying from a technical point yes they are very simple but i think thats because they are designed to have minimal setup changes so its more about the driver than the vehicle,
do you have a video of you racing i can watch, just to see how adrenaline filled close action racing it is? or is it more (as i suspect) a load of old men with too much time/money and more of a sunday hobbie than a race? karts all grouped together by less than a couple of seconds on a fast twisty track is about skill and split second decision making. not crusing around on there own then coming back to the pits to spend hours fiddling with the car thinking they are making it faster.
and my wages comment was a light hearted remark, dont take it so serious.

sorry tristan that does'nt make sense to me? (i know what us lowly engineers earn )how can running a f3 car cost less (alot less it seems by what your saying) than a kart? if your only experiance of karts is arrive and drive 4 stroke crap then you should try some of the proper 100/125 2 strokes they are really fast, ok take a kart round donington it wont seem much but then take them to a kart track they are awesome.
i would'nt look down on karts/drivers just because you drive an old f3 car, bigger isnt always better

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Yes you did, his name is Tristan

opppss ok sorry about that (edited)

how clever, what a witty retort. wow i dont know what to say now im stunned

funny how you only piped up as soon as the world redline and ban was in the same post, did i insult tristan no, did i insult some one who insulted me first yes. have you just insulted me? yes

just another pointless off topic post from samh

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Apart from karts that cost more to run per race than my car cost to buy, yes, they are slower. Name a kart I can afford to race that does more than 120mph? And boring in the sense of mechanical interest - it's so simple that it wouldn't hold my interest for more than a few minutes really.

tristian if you think going 120 makes a car fun why not just go book a cheap flight you can do 500mph ohhhh what fun.

how you can say karts are boring and slow has me baffled? i thought you raced cars? or do you just go round tracks till the flag comes out then bring it in polish it make some little setup changes that you think will make you faster then go out again? karts are awesome fun no question

and he's right because you say he is? oh ok then, just go back to the world vs redline arguments again they made more sense?

anyway on topic yes i agree a car like a s2000/mx5 would be a good addition

come on dont be silly its simply a case of if a wheelspeed reads 0 but the cars speed/other wheel speeds arent 0 it activates now i personally dont read that as a complicated process such as active stability management but if you want to just to be arsey then thats up to you dont be such a nerd about it

well done matey

im just telling you how it is, not trying to bs people and make things sound more complicated than they really are, and im not trying to sound like mr know it all because im not, go play lfs on the computers in your cars. what the geeks on here want to class as a computer and what i would class as a computer are clearly different things.

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if you as you claim actually do have an engineering degree (which i doubt) whoever gave it to you deserves to be shot in the head

did i say i had a degree? no
did i say i was an expert in abs? no
funny how i get a warning for direct insults but you dont?

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So it is an aid, and it's job is to make driving easier (and faster, but where is the fun in that).

i agree with you on almost everything but that ^^
its the wrong way round. its there to make the car faster. if anything it makes the car more dangerous because its designed so that if the car does slide it helps correct the car, which if (and this seems natural to me) you steer into the slide it will spin the car the other way (pretty stupid imo) same as the skylines system of sending power to the front wheels as its needed its there to make the car faster.

now i assume if your saying ayc is a driving aid then what about cars with lsds power steering abs? its there to make the car faster and easier to drive. does that mean to be a driving purest you should all be driving karts? or be like real men and ride bikes

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Why isn't the same as ABS, when they use the same sensors and do very similar operations. And why, if ABS doesn't need a computer

ok i'll try to answer it but im no expert, abs is a very simple operation, with a speed sensor on each wheel it used to be almost like a spocket on each hub with a high and low spot but now its magentised and a abs valve block when the speed sensor detects the wheel is locked up it will very quickly release and reactivate the force to that caliper,
active stablity control takes alot of different things into account like wheel speed,steering input,traction at each wheel, yaw, braking force. that takes alot to figure out and control and when it does its not a simple on off switch like abs its a controlled force applied. back to abs i think samh hit the nail on the head by saying logic control, now if you want to call a simple logic control a computer controlling the car (which im sure you will with you computer controlled kettles) thats up to you but thats just playing with words.

and for the record im not saying that abs and active yaw control is not a driving aid, because it is, i am however saying they are just aids they do not do the work for you.
its just as easy to crash an evo as any other car ppl who post/look at videos of jeremy clarkson drifting with one finger need to realise its very easy to do such things on a massive air field with nothing to hit but alot harder in real life on real roads. (all that top gear stuff is staged to hell anyway)

you can disable the cabin light in a car by removing a fuse, does'nt mean its computer controlled. i give up

i never mentioned it but it seems some ppl cant help themselves but try to stir sh*t

ok you guys are talking about brake force distribution and stability control which is computer controlled, but is not the same as abs, (and is found on m3's ect not real drivers cars like evos )

Last edited by andybarsblade, Tue 11 Mar 2008, 08:02.

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wrong again, i'll ring back my kettle, it has a sensor in it to tell it when the water has reached 100c then tells it to switch off, is that a computer? no

and i know my evo's sonny, all the models you have listed are GSR models the road car. the basic rally one is the RS! now shut up nab.

gezmoor no arguements from me and ayc has been around since the evo 4

well i am an evo fan boy, but im not saying that they are the fastest best thing ever. im just trying to show you that they are not full of computers and so boring to drive that any idiot could be fast in one.
can any car designed to be used daily be considered a white knuckle driving by the seat of you pants ride?

fair play tristian,

my impreza was a uk bog standard one, it was fast but handled crap. dont know about the fancy spec c's or others ect but mine was a good everyday car

your a tard if you think a speed sensor activating a set of vavles is a computer. abs can even be mechanical, go finish school chump

i give up trying to tell you the truth, you guys carry on believing "cars drive themselves" crap, but i will leave you with this... the fastest evo's and the one everyone in the know wants is the rs model which has now ayc no abs not even brembo 4pots, nothing just a stock 4wd system put a GSR model with the aids against an RS model and the RS will leave it for dead no matter what track/conditions. computers my arse