Quote from Swiss-Spirit :

Gonzalo Rodriguez

I will never, ever understand the thought process at Penske that day, period

Thompson, Kelvin Burt (in the beautiful Valvoline shemed Mondeo) had a run on him, he came across and got hooked, bounced off of Rydell and wrecked.

Radisich's onboard confirmed it, I didn't see Burt change his line or brake, Thompson simply came across on him when Kelvin had position.

Quote from gandlers :

I hate god botherers.

There is no god, jehova, allah or whatever else a bullshit brainwashing religion wants to call him/her/it.

Thats my opinion anyway

Oi, take that back

McLarens, Webber and Jaime under investigation

Reinforces just how hard a hit it was

Derrike just nailed him in the door, nowhere to go at all

Landon Cassill....ouch

Quote from ChiliFan :

GP Bikes is good but unfortunately the creator has decided to start over again, apparently because not enough people bought it and development stopped.

Link?

Truck race is free to air in the UK however

Quote from PMD9409 :

That's the Evernham car someone mentioned that both Bill Elliott and Kasey Kahne drove. It was sponsored by Dodge Dealers, but had a heavy Dodge backing.

Penske I believe gets that Dodge backing now. Roush/Yates gets Ford backing. Redbull/Gibbs get Toyota backing. Hendrick and RCR gets Chevy backing. Pretty sure that's how it works. Chevy is on many cars so its hard to know if they back any.

Quote from DieKolkrabe :

IIRC Evernham's team was factory support in all but name for a few years

Same deal (if I read it right), with Holman-Moody Fords in 60s

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

Yep.

They even had a separate trophy for the best-finishing non-factory-backed driver.

(Saw this recently on a documentary about Bobby Allison and the Alabama Gang.)

Essentially, every team in NASCAR is factory-backed nowadays to some degree.

Thought so. I remember one of either SPEED's shows or CBS (before they lost the rights) explaining bout it or possibly one of the season reviews on about it.

IIRC Evernham's team was factory support in all but name for a few years

ESPN needs Ken Squier back, he's a brilliant narrator

V8s, FPR/HRT

Weren't there some back in the 60s/70s and even up into the 80s?

You gotta know when to hold 'em
You gotta know when to fold 'em

See, Kenny Rogers knew a thing or two about cooking didn't he?

Quote from Bose321 :

True true...

New patch is awesome, they fixed some bugs in the casino etc yay!

FFB still doesn't work for most people, but who cares, like you ever drive?

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Who would drive when you can decorate houses and buy clothes?

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I like it a little better now, but the timed convoys....wow

One man went to mow....went to mow a muddy meadow

They let me in too, then again they are elitist.

Protip: Keep quiet

EDIT: Anyone wanna dig up the iR court documents that list the codebase?

Wrong about iRacing, it uses their own engine, not GMotor. It's based off of NR2003 code, modified. NR2003 engine has nothing to do with ISI engine, Period. Go sign up for iR then say that on their forum, you won't get a nice reception.

Shift 1 AND 2 use a Gmotor engine?

EDIT: The 505,000 I mentioned? From your link a page back.

I can't see any big software company allowing their engine (ISI excepted) to be used in an upstart dev team

Answer:Cost and copyright issues.

I doubt EA would let an indie dev use the Shift 2 engine for cheap, if at all

I highly, HIGHLY doubt that. Would Scavier change LFS's price based on forum posts? Likely, no

Also did some research into your X-Plane BS, you have to buy specialized equipment at up to $500,000, plus X-Plane Pro at up to $5000 then talk to the FAA, adding in more cash. At that rate real lessons are cheaper

Critique's been made here, but the way I see it you're not happy with the feedback. I checked your LFSW times last night and you're about as slow as I am. Which is very.

Quote from justasimfan :

I am sorry but somewhere over there i lost you....How old are you from curiosity ? In my book playing with a keyboard or mouse stops a sim from actually being a sim.It is just a game like the dreaded need for speed series or test drive or burnout series etc...When the act of driving that involves turning/feeling/fighting with a wheel,balancing the throttle/brake/clutch pedals and shifting is removed than it starts becoming a game not a sim...

-And for your information real life racers USE simulators for actual training in between races.American nascar and indycar teams use iracing a lot and in europe f1 teams use either rfactor or like ferrari a variant of netkar pro.Actually in the latest Fith Gear episode Plato(A touring car driver himself-and a good one that lost the title because a prototype he was driving for the tv series caught fire) was driving head to head with David Coulthard in a rfactor simulator and by also using a motion platform they both talked of how close to real life was.Actually Plato was soaked wet after he finished racing -IT is THAT close to reality.

Also airline simulator IS NOT A FLIGHT SIMULATOR!!!!!!!!!!! iT SIMULATES A AIRPLANE COMPANY -AS CHAMPIONSHIP MANAGER SIMULATES A FOOTBALL TEAM -it doesn't really simulates all the physics behind it....

Nic Hamilton ? You mean Louis Hamilton ain't you ? Two thumps up through for remembering Alex Zanardi-He was he after all that with Senna developed the honda nsx and the vtek technology nowdays used through variads in almost every new engine(vvti,fsi,vanos etc...).

And yes simulator developers ask from race drivers ALL the time to test their games/simulators -That was the reason why some games ended up so good -like the papyrous nascar series and grand prix legends,richard burns rally,netkar(as kunos helps ferrari.....) and so on...

Airline simulator 2: http://www.nomissoft.com/as2.html It clearly states there it simulates aircraft. I have it, it's built around keyboard/mouse/joystick. NO rudder support. NO HOTAS support. 100% real flight dynamics (Incidentally, I have a copy I'll give away of AS2)

No, Nic Hamilton has Cerebal Palsy, he's running in Clio cup this year. He's raced using a gamepad. I guess according to your narrow mindedness, he's not a simracer?

I'll ask you the same thing. How old are you, not understanding that people have different choice about inputs for games/sims.

Around here rF has a poor reputation (ask Tristan). Real teams use rF Pro, Red Bull being the most famous. NOT easily buyable by you or me. Do you honestly think Christian Horner pops down GAME in Milton Keynes to buy rF for the RBR sim?

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NASCAR series

NR1 used a modified Indycar Racin engine. No driver input on either.

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grand prix legends

Again. No driver from 1967 helped with physics or feel.

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richard burns rally

IIRC Richard did pacenotes/rally school mainly.

I distinctly remember the abysmal tripe that was CART Preciison Racing asking drivers for input. It did precisely zero good.

EDIT: How do you know Fifth Gear didn't selectively pick which bits to air?

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Quote from justasimfan :

No my friend you Don't need either of those BUT you are going to loose the point aren't you ? With the above equipment you can have an exprerience that is very close to real life and you can even gain experience by playing.Or the opposite you can apply real life experience on the game.

Sure you can play with a keyboard (stabilized too...) but then you are just playing a game NOT a simulator.Is there anything,anything doing when playing with a keyboard that is similar to real life driving and racing ? Even turning is not a press a button thingy multiple times but turning in a axis.

And flying simulators like x-plane and flying simulator x can provide you with a good number of your needed flying hours to get a license.

http://www.x-plane.com/pg_certified.html

Provided of course you have the right equipment and you buy the pro version of the software that supports that equipment and uses a special usb key to check your equipment/your frame rates and your settings(tri-monitors etc...).And yes the equipment(Professional joysticks/rudder pedals and throttle controls along with instrument panels is very expensive
http://www.flypfc.com/
But have in mind that having actual airplane lessons as amazing as they are can cost you up to $500 per lesson....So even $10.000 for having a simulator that could give you 1/5 of you needed hours to get a license is a bargain....(You can actually built yourself one for even less as you can find some used parts on ebay )

That's US centric however. Youi're in the UK

Okay so if I use a keyboard with FSX, it's not a sim? Nor is LFS? Again. Flawed argument. What about XMR? That's not a sim if I use keyboard?

I travel a lot, so I use a laptop, not able to take any specialized equipment with me

Would any real life racers please like to elaborate on how realistic a racing sim is, compared to a real car?

EDIT: Something I thought of. Airline Simulator 2 is designed around keyboard/mouse.

Why? It has a fully modeled FMC, now tell me a joystick or pedals that can program a flight management compter?

Also, the physics don't change, regardless of input device

EDIT 2: Would you tell Alex Zanardi or Nic Hamilton to race with a wheel and pedals only instead of their cars? As said above, not everyone has the time, space, or ability to use a G25/G27

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Quote from justasimfan :

Crysis and hl2 are first person shooters NOT DRIVING SIMULATORS my friend.They are two completely different things....i cannot understand your reasoning.Have you ever driven a car or raced one in real life ? A good force feedback wheel can give you the same feel of the road and the same fight with the steering wheel as in real life.Add a nice setup with a clutch and a shifter and real life experience can be applied while playing and the opposite experience gained from the simulator can actually be applied to real life.The same happens with flight simulators provided you have the nesessary equipment as you get flying hours spend in the game counted as real flying hours.And to enjoy first person shooters while we are on the matter as with driving games you need the right equipment (g25/25 -fanatec 911) the same applies with first person shooters as a good gaming mouse helps a lot( i have a logitech mouse revolution-the one with two scrolls! ),and a nice gaming monitor and a good system to play smoothly.
-And last if you play fist person shooters give a try to Bioshock,Far Cry 2,Stalker Clear Sky and Stalker the call of Prypiat,Fear 1/2,Fallout 3/new vegas,Tribes Vengeance,Singularity,call of duty -modern warfare 2,Rainbow six Vegas and replay Hl2 with the 20gb fan made cinematic mod.

I'm trying not to laugh at your reasoning. According to you, you need a G25 for racing sims and a HOTAS for flight sims?

That's flawed reasoning. Both genres work perfectly with entry level hardware, or even a keyboard. A gaming mouse isn't needed for FPSes, in fact a standard mouse will do, I regularly get a KDR of 2-3 with a cheap ($5) mouse. I race LFS and fly with keys and mouse, you obviously have an issue with my choice of input device.

You get real flying hours in a sim? News to me, go log 25,000 hours on MSFS or X-Plane and apply for a job with an airline. They'd laugh you out of the office,

NO sim is 100% realistic. No flight sim covers every system or switch in a 747, and no racing sim

why'd you have to resurrect it?

Whoa that's scary, reminds me of Lowndes in 99 at Calder Park (IIRC)

Both are okay though

Quote from Scawen :

No, that is not possible and it's not easy to add. You choose start grid / pits / start lights together as a set.

Ahh I thought that the three were separate things, good to know