Quote from IsaacPrice :

But he IS banned, so why is this argument still going on 24hours later. Really

Because people that have nothing to do with the situation keep replying with smart ass comments.

Quote from Pablo Donoso :

snip

Feel better now?

Are you still trying to tell me something I ALREADY know?

The point of asking for his account to be banned isnt to stop the attacks, rather to punish this user for breaking the LFS User Agreement.

Are you done now?

Quote from Pablo Donoso :

I lolled hard @ that ... If you knew how DoS / DDoS works, you'd understand why it can't be stopped. DoS = 1 computer, DDoS = multiple computers. It is usually a UDP flooder that targets the IP and can't be tracked because if a person is smart enough to do it, they are smart enough to know how to mask their IP. Long story short, he is a hacker and shouldn't be confronted.

BTW if LLM were trolls, how come they are always the ones that are helping people in the forums most times? Maybe because they aren't trolls...

more useless posting from someone that has nothing to do with this entire situation, thanks for your feedback, i'll log it in my suggestion box and get back to you later.

Quote from IsaacPrice :

Why dont you actually do something to stop him like protect your servers better rather than cry about it to people who dont care anymore? People try to help, but what youre asking for is already done...so you have had your say, crying about it more wont make him any angrier, it will just make him laugh at you more.

you can't 100% protect yourself from a ddos attack. a ddos attack is of flood of traffic on your network causing it to freeze up and render you offline. There is no way to 100% protect from that.

Quote from PateDriver :

I hope you truly know that i have the Freedom of Speech, your North Korean country might not have it. If you could kindly just back out of this conversation, because i don't think that this is affecting you that much either,
you are just typical American, always sticking your nose to everything.

Now if you are going to say that "yes this does, because i like to inspect the track on the LsC" or "Yes it does i'm admin there" and you want to talk about this with me then, feel free to send me PM. At this moment i'm talking with PoVo, and if your Username doesn't say PoVo i don't feel like talking with you about this, here.

Well I am an admin there so yes I will put my 2 cents here. This THREAD does not concern you, take your 2 cents and you opinions elsewhere.

Quote from PateDriver :

So you are extremely dumb, no offence.
Seems that you are after for your own personal satisfaction from this, rather
than your friends and other people who would support you and your server to the end.

I cannot express myself how bad i feel for your cruisers.
I'm gonna wash my hands out of this, but please don't come crying here when
you cannot get rid of this problem....

Shut up and move on, he was already banned. Stop wasting your time replying and focus on something that actually involves you.

Quote from m4ccy :

PoVo, if victor bans that guy, the guy will probably attack lfs master server or something.

I imagine Victor is unwilling to risk this...

I really do miss the old days when people dealt with problems using fists, guns and swords and beating each other with 12 inch black rubber penises. It was so quick and easy to deal with beef.

I dont business with all this ddos hacker bullshit.
Well that must make me old fashioned


Here is a random selection of words I have chosen to post which bare absolutely no relevance to anything.

Ticket, flight, hunt, slit, flight, pub.

he has already been banned.

Quote from NovaK :

Keep going folks, feed me! :clapclap:
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Hi, Victor.
How's Eric doing?

nah, i'm retired now.

Quote from Bmxtwins :

Why do you have to make everything into an argument? You aren't entitled to anything, get off your high horse and fix the issue yourself.

Yes, father.

Quote from MsBeav :

Lmao, are you really reffering to rules right now after you used to attempt to DOS me from your home internet..

This again? where is your proof, oh thats right, you have none cause it didnt happen.

Quote from MsBeav :

Oh really, that's nice to know.

3.4 You must not give your username, WEB or GAME password to other LFS users.

Quote from MsBeav :

I'm H0rn, pipe down ****.

On an account Beaver bought in 2009 for his EX GF. So Beaver08 is sharing LFS Accounts, thanks for the info Horn.

Quote from MsBeav :

The server gets paid for, that is all.

Either post from one account or stop sharing accounts beaver.

Quote from MsBeav :

LOL FREE CHICKENGOD YOU SIR ARE A ****ING MORON LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CHICKENGOD COST US £400 A MONTH YOU SPASTIC CHILD MORE THAN YOU'LL EVER EARN IN YOUR LIFE YOU ****ING RETARDED ****, GO QUIT YOUR VOLUNTARY WORK FOR A ****ING LFS SERVER LOLOLL, DOWNIEEEEEE

oh and p.s. you paid 100 euros for a blowjob and you have a micro penis.

Looks like you have two former admins who were in TS everyday and heard you talking about spending you so called "donation" money on weed and pizza.

To prove my point, I left WKD before Bamse came to the team, so obviously there is truth here.

Quote from rockclan :

What the flying cow, does my team have to do with this?

Sorry, forgot that franky left so thats where I got TRR from.
My mistake.

Quote from boothy :

case 1: users can't solve the problem (banning doesn't work), so the devs are required to sort the exploit
case 2: the devs can't solve the problem (banning doesn't work), so the users are required to sort the ddos

How hard can it be to understand the difference?

http://www.lfs.net/?page=agreement

1.5 Extreme disruptive or offensive behaviour by a user, towards the developers or members of the community, may result in temporary or permanent suspension of the user's Live for Speed license.

Both incidents involved violating the User Agreement, nothing more, how is that different?

That's why user agreements are made, so people know what they can and can't do. It is upto the Moderators/Admins/Developers to stick to this agreement and enforce it fairly and promptly.

Quote from MadCatX :

Yes he did and he is absolutely right. Situation with Anakin or whoever that guy was was totally different as he was exploiting a vulnerability in LFS code. Analyzing and reporting such an incident is the correct thing to do. This thread is all about a plain simple DoS attack. Every networking service is vulnerable to DoS and it's the responsibility of the person who actually runs the server to do their best to minimize the damage when such an attack takes place. Perma-banning the attacker is more of a petty revenge than an actual security measure, you don't need LFS account to DoS LFS servers. (BTW, I don't see any conclusive evidence that HeCosmin was really behind this attack except for a few forum posts so I don't see on what grounds he should be banned)

Victor's post should be stickied and displayed to everyone who goes on the forum whining that someone has downed their server.

it is not about stopping the attack. it is about obeying the user agreement we all agreed to when we bought LFS, or does nobody read that stuff???

He came to our servers saying he was going to bring them down, then BAM, they go down and stay down. Coincidence? Doubtful.

If the devs don't act, it's like saying the agreement is void and no one has to follow it.

It's not about stopping the attack its about the principal of the matter something children do not understand.

Quote from IsaacPrice :

I did, but its completely different. If someone gains admin to a server, then that is a game issue and the game is at fault, and the game has to be altered to address the issue. They need the devs help to fix that, in this case its not the devs issue to fix, they can ban the user but that won't fix the issue. If they don't know anything about IT etc, then they could make the misunderstanding, but in the 2nd post they are then pointed in the right direction. Its 2 completely different cases.

It's not 2 different cases, we were not asking the LFS devs to stop his DDoS attacks, we were merely asking them to punish this fool for breaking the user agreement we all agreed to when we purchased this software.

How is that so hard to understand and comprehend?

Quote from IsaacPrice :

You're getting butthurt out of nothing, HE CANT HELP MORE THAN HE HAS. Perhaps he could have pointed out that actually he did ban them, but its not like he was given a chance either, someone spotted it first. What I posted is what I interpret from his post, so he has already said what I said. If you own a server, have an issue with the server and come on crying how it's totally unfair and saying how the devs should fix it...then I can imagine why they would find that frustrating. The community itself maybe could have pointed you better in the right direction of how to fix it, but it wouldn't have been anything extra to what google could do for you.

If the dev is faced with someone wanting help, but doesnt help themselves...I don't know what you expect them to do. If they would have the time to sugarcoat I would be more concerned because there hasnt been a physics update or a new track for so long but they arent so busy that they can help more in this situation.

Did you even read my post????

Quote from edge3147 :

We merely did the same thing that was done when anakin skywalker was using the exploit to gain admin to servers, so the response from victor was kinda uncalled for, nobody jumped down their throat for making that thread.

It's amazing, this is a community forum and when the community tries to get something done on it, it ends up 2 ways. You get trolled endlessly or your get no response from where it really matters.

This community should start acting like a community and less like 4CHAN.

LLM(BMX and Mustang), ixion (Franky), and all the other Trolls always have something negative to say it seems.

Last edited by edge3147, Wed, 17 Oct 2012 21:54.

Quote from DANIEL-CRO :

He received master server ban few moments ago

Quote from IsaacPrice :

He's just telling you that if you want to stop them, you have to do step 1 and 2 yourselves because step 3 won't stop them by itself. He's trying to help, but he can only do so much. He can't do anything more than what he is doing.

This is the response that should have come from an Admin, not the response that was given.

We merely did the same thing that was done when anakin skywalker was using the exploit to gain admin to servers, so the response from victor was kinda uncalled for, nobody jumped down their throat for making that thread.

It's amazing, this is a community forum and when the community tries to get something done on it, it ends up 2 ways. You get trolled endlessly or your get no response from where it really matters.

This community should start acting like a community and less like 4CHAN.

Last edited by edge3147, Wed, 17 Oct 2012 21:34.

Quote from Victor :

Thanks for actually posting something useful in this thread.



Second post in this thread was the right one. You guys should have spent time learning how to secure a server rather than write here about how bad he is.

Because you see, _I_ cannot stop him from here. You can.
I can ban his account, but it's likely that he'll just get pissed more and dos your server 24/7. So how will that have helped?

You're a fun target because you're an easy target. Do you want to remain that? You'll be better off learning some things about server security (how to identify malusers and how to stop them).

End User Agreement says pretty clearly something like this is not allowed, so why to try and make us the bad guys? We are just trying to get this resolved and let the community know about this guy.

http://www.lfsforum.net/showth ... 0321&highlight=hacker

Don't come and try to tell us what we did is wrong, we were letting the community know about this guy just like that last thread about someone hacking LFS so how is this any more wrong than the other thread that caused a new test patch to be tested?

Last edited by edge3147, Wed, 17 Oct 2012 21:24.

Quote from Mustangman759 :

LOLWUT do you even know what your talking about?
Although I don't like cruise servers I hate to see it happen to people

The requisite “damage” element under the CFAA is “any impairment to the integrity or availability of data, a program, a system, or information” (see 18 U.S.C. § 1030(e)(8)) and a “protected computer” is defined as a computer “which is used in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, including a computer located outside the United States that is used in a manner that affects interstate or foreign commerce or communication” (see 18 U.S.C. § 1030(e)(2)(B)).

I am sure that isnt the only law being broken, but who cares right? Nobody on this forum could give 2 shits because they find it funny.

Last edited by edge3147, Wed, 17 Oct 2012 19:57.

Quote from Franky.S :

YEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

one less cruise server

Don't worry, your team will fail soon enough.

Quote from cargame.nl :

What law?

I think not much laws exist in Moldavia. Especially no internet laws.

Its one of the poorest countries and the poorest in Europe.

Theft of services, he is stealing the bandwidth we pay for denying us usage of it by commit said crime.

The fact that you try to justify his actions by saying they are not illegal is just crazy.

Last edited by edge3147, Wed, 17 Oct 2012 19:41.

LSC has closed because of this douche bag, I hope everyone is happy. F.U.C.K.ing bullshit.

Quote from lscruise.net :

Hello,
We have decided to close down, yet again.

As you may have seen, over the past few weeks we've had a rival cruise server attacking us just because they were jealous.
Since yesterday we've had another idiot attacking us because he was banned for threatening to DDoS us.
It seems like the LFS community isn't in a good enough state to be able to continue running this server.
Maybe we'll see you again in a year or so, maybe not...

[LsC] Team.

Last edited by edge3147, Wed, 17 Oct 2012 17:39.