In addition, surfaces are affected by things like rubbering in, and temperature.

Some of the modern sims are starting to simulate this quite well. I've been playing a lot of Automobilista 2 lately, and it's really challenging and fun to manage the changing conditions during a race.
Puddles form after heavy rain, and if the rain stops a dry line will slowly appear but some sections of the track might retain puddles for longer. Emerging features, but very cool.

BeamNG is great for what it does, but I agree with your opinion.

I'm no tire physics expert (at all!) but feel BeamNG does standard road cars very well - which translates to slower speeds, more noticeable suspension movement and weight transfer.
It's obviously best in class for its damage model.

Track and race cars show the limitations of it's tire model though, and even though 0.21 was a great improvement, its still a way behind specialist racing sims.

But, I accept that.

BeamNG will never do racing like LFS, and LFS will never do damage like BeamNG.

Edit - this is an interesting video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jexzs0F_wIc

Last edited by farcar, Fri 4 Jun 2021, 03:14.

"We want the community to have the new version so we are trying to get to that point as quickly as possible. To do that, some things we want to do can wait until after the release. For the first version, Eric plans to focus on finishing South City and Kyoto while Scawen works on the tyre physics. Fern Bay and further graphical improvements can be done after the big update."

Great to know that tyre physics will be part of the first update!

I would love to know what state they're in at the moment, and if we should be hopeful of the first update this year?

Thanks for the post, and SO at night is looking spiffy!

Quote from Marino108 :

I assumed that they can't or won't afford themself to do costly projects, such as 3D laser scans of real racing circuits or racing vehicles.

I thought Rockingham (the only real life circuit in LFS) is laser scanned.

Quote from Scawen :

There is only one way I can think of that this could be done, and that would be to watch a live replay, slightly behind time.

Could you theoretically use this principle to introduce a gear change animation for replays?

Quote from CLRS530 :

There will be a Christmas / New Year report I am pretty sure.

Was it just Fern Bay we haven't seen new screenies for yet?

Thanks for the update.
It looks simply fantastic and I can't wait to see the updated environments and physics, hopefully within a reasonable timeframe!

Quote from Evolution_R :

Can you write in one sentence what is the problem with LFS? I'm serious. Thanks.

He should present us with his thesis on why apples must be compared with oranges.
I'm sure it would be as riveting as his forum posts.

Quote from cargame.nl :

The framing was being done earlier in this topic

The framing was all done by you.
BeamNG was introduced to the thread in the context of software development cycles and rate of updates.
Nobody made any claim about it being a racing simulator competing with LFS.
That fallacy is 100% yours. Go back and read it.

Quote from cargame.nl :

Don't rule out beamNG by the way, nobody knows it yet but going to be so hot.

Still attempting to frame an offline, open world soft-body vehicle simulator as an online car racing simulator?
I'll give you points for persistence.

Quote from cargame.nl :

Neh, I checked out the Youtubes.. Says enough.

He uses YouTube to conceive his opinions.
I think that says enough.

Quote from cargame.nl :

Hmmnah.. Its more a vehicle crash simulation sim for 12 year olds.

That's about as smart as saying LFS is a cruising game for 12 year olds.

As an offline player, I'd love to be able to create a single player championship, racing against the AI.

A wizard where I can create and name a new championship, add rounds, set parameters and change variables would greatly improve replay ability, and keep me coming back to my favourite ever sim.

The wizard would allow me to add rounds and for each round be able to:

• Chose a track
  
• Set track variables like wind and time of day
  
• Set Number of AI, their car/class and competency level
  
• Set practice and qualifying sessions
  
• Set number of laps
  
• Save progress and recommence at a later time.
  

Nice to haves

• Dynamic passing of time (when available)
  
• Variation in individual AI competency
  
• Compulsory pit stops
  
• Ability to set allocation of points and points bonuses for laps lead, pole position etc.
  

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For reference, Assetto Corsa and Automobilista have similar features.

Quote from Intrepid :

What I actually like about LFS is the fact the tracks aren't real because it's adds an element of genuine artistry to the product. Live For Speed, despite its age, is the most unique sim product. It's a quality that should be treasured, not lambasted.

I think this is a great point, and I agree.
Another iteration of Nordschleife or Bathurst wouldn't interest me half as much as Eric creating his own tracks inspired by them.

Alternate realities hook me much more than copies. The same goes for the cars.

The Bathurst 12 hour this year was a major crash-fest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6RILY1Lf8k

Nah, It carries passengers around as normal.

Quote from cargame.nl :

Kinda weird by the way to have lightrail trains scattered around the racing/driving area. Normally they would be parked in a depot during an event but hhmm okay, nitpicking.

Check out the Gold Coast street circuit in Australia.

Quote from GreyBull :

Same as any street circuit I guess. Crash barriers are not supposed to be a 365/24 thing.

True, although it would normally be a temporary concrete barrier these days.
Something like this:

@Degats, thanks!

To me, it's the little details

Last edited by farcar, Sat 21 Dec 2019, 20:49.

Quote from Scawen :

Jeremy Clarkson is one of these right-wing nutcases that just thinks we should burn whatever we can and have a jolly good time and **** the consequences. He writes in the same newspaper that Boris Johnson used to write in, a terrible paper called the "Telegraph" or "Torygraph" which indoctrinates its readers to hate the environment, cyclists and wind turbines.

I used to find Top Gear amusing but gradually got more annoyed with the stupidity of it that seemed to be increasing until it got taken off air after Clarkson punched a producer because he couldn't get a steak.

A lot of British people have a similar kind of attitude. You can tell by the popularity of SUV type cars and so on, designed to look big and tough. They are quite sad people really and are obstacles to progress.

Love it!

Quote from Evolution_R :

I think there are few (or just one for now) new car models waiting for us and will be released as a surprise with the update!

Was there an announcement or some sort of hint on this?
I'm excited if there was.

BeamNG Drive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAzk5HHVp7M

Quote from Degats :

Obligatory comparisons:

Obligatory thank you for taking the time to do that for everyone!

I've probably owned 6 different PCs since I first purchased LFS 14 years ago.
It's always the first thing I install on a new build.
I rarely play it nowadays, yet it's still there.
And I follow it's glacial development with interest.
Weird.

Quote from Degats :

Obligatory comparisons: (now 95% automated )

You're the MVP in this thread.
Thanks!