30fps is more than bareable, lol ... anywho, its not quantity but quality that matters, my cheapy Samsung laptop has 128Mb dedicated so I'm surprised a Powerbook would be available so lowly specced.

Quote from jtr99 :

Guys, what's the deal with homosexuality functioning as the nastiest insult you can throw at "skin thieves"? This is not particularly cool. Somewhere out there some LFS player who is actually gay is feeling most unwelcome because of all this. Is this what you want to achieve?

No, but think of the mentality of the kind of people who would pinch skins - they want to feel big about themselves, big manly hairy men with muscles the size of anvils ... something like Desperate Dan only more rugged. Feining being gay flies in the face of that ...

The 64Mb of shared ram will give it comparatively crappy 3D performance, but the joy of LFS is that that it'll still run fine despite that

Quote from Jamexing :

Remember when renault was forced to abandon its 6 speed gearbox for a 7 speed one due to the silly ban on variable intake lengths? It's strong torque bands that win races (if the car is properly optimised for it of course). Remember those days when the renault had such a significant advantage in sarting and corner exit performance?

Are we talking about truck racing, or have a missed a season of Diesel F1 cars somehow?

You can build torque into a petrol engine by using a longer stroke and smaller bore (amongst other things) without too much trouble but its a bitch getting a diesel engine to rev. Plus they smell bad, headgaskets are a PITA, bleeding the fuel system is a ballache, they make the oil go all yukky and they smoke after comparatively few miles.

The cleanest fuel (environmentally) for internal combustion is Propane (aka LPG), with lower toxic emissions accross the board. But its not suitable for use in smaller low-torque engines.

To quote Top Gear, when talking about a fancy Audi, "there's a diesel version too, if you're the sort of person who thinks the Mona Lisa would look good with a beard"

Diesels have their place, and its not in performance cars.

Quote from George Kuyumji :

Okay, but dont be scared of the price

I'm glad I bought it when it was released, then

That about sums it up these days, its roots are in good motorsport though. Also, Nascar run more than the Nextel races, there's stuff going down to dirt 1/4 mile bullring racing (like the 'late model' stuff covered in iracing).

Quote from deggis :

Pretty recently actually... Istanbul GP 2006 http://youtube.com/watch?v=jMfGCWPU1ak (jump to 2:40)

Of course I got your point. For example that race was uber-non-exciting if you don't count that last lap.

Good point, forgot about that one, lol ... its a good race if you're shouting at the TV all the way through the last lap

Beats Pokemon ... by a small margin ...

I can see its going to be worth my while to get NR2003 out and try some of these patches

Quote from The Moose :

Yup, these are the only two track racing sims that feel natural and actually go some way to convincing me that I'm racing a car, not playing a game.

And NR2003 ... that reminds me, must pull that out of the cupboard sometime

Quote from tristancliffe :

Suggesting that NASCAR is even a vaguely close match is laughable - second rate technology, second rate cars, second rate drivers and tedious ovals do not, in my book, a great series make.

Did anyone suggest that? Someone mentioned that they now do extensive wind tunnel testing, but thats about it. At least they can overtake each other, when was the last time an F1 race had cars side-by-side on the last lap, or a photo finish?

As for saying the cars are 2nd rate, you should see what going into making a V8 rev to 9000rpm for 500 miles, it may not involve microchips, but there's sound engineering going into increasing the longevity and charactersitics of the engines.

Vain - If there's no justification for racing besides technology, why bother? War improves technology far better than racing. The less technology in a racecar, the better the racing gets; do you really not want to watch historic race/rally/dragsters? Do you not enjoy the sights, sounds and smells of a piece of machinery that was driven to its limits over 30 or 50 years ago? If not I really feel sorry for you, because thats missing out on the best part of racing there is.

Moving with the times is one thing, but if its the only thing (as seems to be with F1) I have no passion for it.

Yeah, they do have a limited lifespan, lol

I'm still using my XBox 1 controller, all default settings in LFS, seperate axis for accellerator/brake (using the triggers), it works well as at the mo I'm just using a laptop on my lap! No problem with dead zones, I adjusted myself to the sensitivity rather than vica versa, which took a little practise

Still, at some point I'll get a wheel ...

Quote from duke_toaster :

Do you want F1 to be like NASCAR where they use 1930's technology?

That would be great, in Nascar the cars overtake each other ... on the track, and more than once in a race! Okay, I'm not into the new COT Nascars, but still, its better

Surely the pinacle of motorsport should be pitting men and machines against each other - most technology appears to remove the driver from the act of driving to a greater or lesser degree; put a current F1 driver into a pre-aero F1 car (on crossplies!) and see how much talent they have ...

Quote from Slidaaaa :

italian pussis

Yeah, those Italians at the FIA are terrible

Seriously though, F1 has been a snorefest for many a year, I don't think a lack of TC will make a huge difference in that ... though I bet when they run in the wet you'll see some funny spins

And more Pokemon

I must be getting old, always thought it was for 8 year olds ...

They weren't disqualified in the past, just not allowed to finish the stage ... sounds right to me, a car can't run without a rollcage, so surely inviting an accident by continuing to drive a seriously broken car should logically be against the rules.

The WRC has been going downhill for a long time though ...

Quote from Zipppy :

powersliding then?

Thats not powersliding, its just sliding. Full stop.

Oh there's hundreds of FXO drift setups kicking around here somewhere ...

That'll look great when drifting around in the FXO

At this point you're not exactly helping your case ...

I remember the Tommi Mitsu Evo getting pulled because of running on 3 wheels, that must have been 15 years or so ago ...

Quote from Alan Dove :

There are a few factors that lose LFS me 1. 2. 3.

20,000 rpm Karts?! Anywho, the new sounds are good

Lack of feedback is no problem, I've been surprised how much feel there is from FFB in LFS, certainly better than any other sim I've tried. Particulary in the cars above demo level.

Unless you've cracked the game, you wouldn't know about the tracks ... several of the SO courses are tight (more than two accross isn't feasable), and hilly enough for it to be a factor ...
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Anyway, the reason I plumped for LFS is that its tightly written (there's no extra crap thats not needed), as well as the other good points listed earlier ... its like a modern version of "Car and Driver" (1992) that came on 2 discs and was 100% sim

If you get NASN you get it mostly ad-free, and can watch the in-car feeds while the US gets ad breaks ...