Quote from Seki474 :

Hi Tommy,
I have ver. 1.3 and I noticed that if I turn it on it works fine but not for tail lights. If the strobe's running tail lights don't even blink. And if I press [G] for lights just front lights turn on. Tail lights are dead.

Try make Strobes program use the "3" key for lights, this makes the tail lights activate. Change it from "G" to "3" in the strobes interface.

"G" is for headlights only in LFS.
"3" is for headlights AND taillights in LFS patch Z25+

Well I can guarantee you 150% that the virus did not come from this thread's download.

Goodluck with it.

The more virii your computer "thinks" it has, the more money anti-virus companies will make.

This is a false positive mate. What anti-virus you have there?

Not exactly what you wanted, but are you aware that you can adjust the cockpit muffling in Shift-A? This is a slider which could be equated to a window position.

they are just .wav sounds. you don't need youtube for that

Last edited by JasonJ, Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:38. Reason : forum friendly version

AFAIK it was made to auto-lock to stop ppl rolling backwards/forwards at BL1 start line.
Just autospec people who roll backwards/forwards. Same as when you false start too early. Eventually they will learn to hold down the brakes or hold the handbrake at the start. More realistic to make it manual handbrake.

True I get lazy and would prefer it auto-locked, but realism FTW. BTW, my handbrake is the 1337

Last edited by JasonJ, Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:41.

Hit anything with chrome paint and it will look like metal.

The hyperlinks should take you to a 1920x1080 screenshot on imageshack. Try clicking the thumbnails, here's one of them: http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/5282/cromo.jpg
WTF, it's now a AVON bridge.. haha

Thanks for all the tips.
- weird power-management
Antec 500W ~12 months old
dedicated 6pin rail connector and using another separate rail for the other 6 pin GPU power.
- overheating cpu
39 degrees idle, e8400 runs so cool i love it.
- firmware version motherboard
original not flashed *
- virus/spyware
- anti-virus/anti spyware
fresh winXP install (new)
- drivers chipset, soundcard, networkinterface
granted, i could try later drivers for Mainboard *
- accidentally onboard graphics card enabled("hybride mode")
no onboard GPU (Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3R)
- check event viewer(eventvwr) windows
no application problems, nothing else is installed except Logitech profiler for G25
- directx version
9.0c(4.09.0000.0904) included in WinSP2 disk, SP3 installed
- Install vista/7 64 bits If you have a license for it
I have win7 in the mail to test with soon *

*Yes a couple things to try. Thanks. But I sorta have my doubts. The strange thing is when I use CCC to make changes to AA and AF a lot of the time, LFS just ignores what I put into CCC. It works the first time i go to full screen, but if I use Shift-F4 to window out and go back to full screen, the AA settings from CCC are just lost and LFS shows up looking with 0xAA and yes, it is set to forced 8x in CCC. So I will try MijnWraak's suggestion and try older drivers.




For those asking what Adaptive AA is here is a comparison, the Adaptive AA is applied to the bottom image.

I got addicted to Transparency Supersampling on the old n9600GT. Without it things like grass and trees in the distance look like cardboard cutouts.

Look, I'll stop ruining this thread with my crap. Thanks for all the help and advice. I got some more things to try and report back if I get any success.

Quote from Bluebird B B :

Are you using a 40 inch monitor?

Actually yes, check my sig.

I appreciate your details and info. For me I don't think it's CPU limited because I get more FPS turing off AA/AF, I'll post some more comparisons a bit later when I got some more time.

The screen shots are small yes, but they are also hyperlinks. All the shots were done at 8xAA, 16xAF set by LFS. (Let Application decide set in CCC)

Thanks for the info on temps, I thought to turn on the fan to manual, but didn't want to shorten it's lifespan having it run flat out all the time. As long as 69°C is fine then no worries.

Actually no. Just rebooted PC and it's back at 21 FPS.

The only way to get 170 FPS again is turn off AA altogether, WHICH I MIGHT ADD also happens at random when you use CCC to override AA settings. The AA setting you set in CCC just get ignored by the games at random. This is really pissing me off. Paid a lot of money for one huge headache. Actually headache is an understatement. :banghead: I'm am looking at prices of new nVidia cards atm.

Last edited by JasonJ, Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:58.

Quote from Bluebird B B :

Why don't you enable fixed anti-aliasing? 4x mode will improve image quality a lot.

Those shots were at 8x AA. (max in LFS) Shots were saved as low res JPGs just to upload. I was showing performance not quality. I'm not sure what it is that made you think I was using any other type of AA. I've never heard of fixed Anti-Aliasing. Or do you mean just straight 8x AA? Well I am using that anyway but the reason I was pointing out Adaptive AA is because transparencies looks pretty bad, I mean the trees and grass from a distance goes noticeably low res from a distance which looks pretty crappy. Adaptive AA fixes that ugly look.
Adaptive Anti-Aliasing - for what I can tell is used to fix the AA on transparancy textures and is known as Anti-Aliasing - Transparancy in nVidia's driver setup.

Quote from Bluebird B B :

The issues you are having are NOT graphics card related. 4890 or a high end nvidia card should both give 200-400 fps with all settings maxed out in lfs. You are blaming your graphics card while the graphics card is not causing your problems.

What do you suggest the issue is? The frame rate drops down to 40FPS going up to the Cromo bridge on BL1.

(my nVidia 9600GT wasn't even that bad, with the same MAX settings) It does get up to 180 FPS on the back straight on my own so it is somewhat working. It's been this bad since I installed this card. Getting to the point of putting back the 9600GT and throwing it out.


Something weird now. Really weird infact.
Adaptive AA ON (quality) - 181.8 FPS

So it is apparently working correctly now, but for what reason I do not know, been messing around for 2 weeks and now it just decides to work on it's own.

Last edited by JasonJ, Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:55.

Well said.

Quote from Shadowww :

Are you sure you cleaned all NVidia drivers before installing ATI card? There shouldn't be any drivers for devices you don't have in your system.

Reformatted a spare HDD so yeh, everything is new. Only installed winXP_SP3, dotNET_3.5, CCC_9.10, and LFS z25
No antivirus or nothing else to slow it down. LFS is fine if I don't use Adaptive AA, but yeh that's kinda ugly. Oh well, I'll put up with this and try nVidia again next upgrade.

Last edited by JasonJ, Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:03.

You wont be hooking up shifter and pedals with no g25 wheel unless you are something like an electronics engineer. Oh, and you need to know how to program yourself a driver for it.

The easiest way would be use a PS2 type pad and hook up the pedals to the analog joysticks and the shifter,... well there's a PCB that decodes the shifter positions, have fun with that.

Sorry mate but the G25 is hell cheap. A few years ago your only option for shifter/clutch was around $2,500 AUD. If you can't fork out ~$300 for a G25 then you will have to build your own shifter. Or buy a SST shifter ($199 USD?) which will operate on its own and make a clutch pedal with a modded PS2 pad analog input. But after you done that you not much difference from a $300 g25

Last edited by JasonJ, Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:30.

HD4890, Fresh install WinXPsp3. CCC_9.10
Still not happy with this card. Watching internet Flash video slows down to 1 FPS after about 30 mins. This did not happen with my old card.

Adaptive AA seems to destroy this card.
(Textures on LOW RES settings)

Adaptive AA OFF - 170.2 FPS

Adaptive AA-ON (Performance) - 51.0 FPS

Adaptive AA ON (Quality) - 21.7 FPS


So many other issues I am wishing now that I had spent double the money on an nVidia equivalent. I don't have time in my life to mess with my PC for two weeks to make something work. Maybe I am expecting too much.

Also is 67-69ºC normal?

Last edited by JasonJ, Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:17.

I am failing to see the advantage. If it means extra work for the devs just so we can have all scripts into one file, then I don't see the point.

But I am usually the minority in things.

Quote from NL_RevZ :

I just let LFS update to Z25, the framerate is the same but now I notice stuttering (looks like a frame skip of 1, at ~200 fps minimum) and it is annoying me to hell What is going on here? NOTHING has changed other than this, and just minutes before I updated it (SP mode) it was running just fine

DHRammstein mentioned this problem he had with an ATi card. Do you have ATi by any chance? Maybe it's a common fault?

Probably intended because the user can use any combination of upper and lower case when unlocking LFS licence.

For example, I registered as JasonJ, but I can unlock my LFS with jaSonj

jaSonj appear in the conns list when I press Shift+Ctrl

The way to get around this is have your inSim apps convert all names to lower or upper. LFS doesn't allow usernames with the same name ie: no-one can register jASonj


edit: Thanks Monkonhottinroof for doing that upfront.

Last edited by JasonJ, Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:21.

We got some big improvements on the AI a while ago. Still, it's a work in progress. Perhaps it will get looked at again after the physics are more finished. If the AI was improved again now for example, they have to be done again after the physics are improved. So it would a bit of awaste to improve them soon again.

I think also one of the biggest problems to make them really good is that they have to drive under the same conditions any real players have. They can't cheat so to speak like catch-up mode in arcade type games and Scawen has said himself, "It's very difficult for me to write computer programs that can drive as fast as you." The AI have to "do the driving" like us.
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=634201#post634201

Sorry, but you can only add one start point.

If you want multiple start points then you can only use the default ones on the start line. However, you can still use route markers and checkpoints.

Bravo :clapclap:

Are you able to upload a screenshot of the issue?

Yep (not for engine), I still use it because backfires still work, and brake squeal.

But why make another thread?

With this new patch it's now possible to look backwards when both Look Left and Look Right are pressed together. Perhaps something is making those keys pressed together?

Maybe as a test, just try installing LFS Z into a new folder somewhere else and patching it to Z25 see if the default version still has this issue. You might have something messed up in your working version.

Last edited by JasonJ, Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:24.

Certainly makes for an exciting ride.

Thanks for the demo, you don't realise how long I was trying to adjust FOV myself while watching my speed to see how this would look.