Good points I'm seeing here.

The only way I could possible argue that engine braking doesn't matter (in LFS) if that LFS doesn't, that I know of, doesn't have disk wear, pad wear, overheating brakes resulting in fade. I suppose if it did then using engine braking a little could help maintain the integrity of the brakes longer during racing. Though, this could have adverse effects on the drive train components. But still. If the vehicle was setup in a manner where the coast effect of a limited slip diff could stabilize the car when throttle is applied during braking and down shifting??? Maybe?? Especially toward the end of braking at turn in where you would need to try roll to more throttle from the brake switching to power effect of LSD?? The torque of the engine applied to the wheels though the gearbox, diff should allow the car to be pulled toward the road at the rear?? Or I guess we could say keeping the chassis loaded at the transition point?

Pretty sure I just babbled about this like "W". Sorry if it sounds a bit skewed...

My wife is bugging me to go to the store and then comes in here and then drops a jury duty notice on my keyboard.... bah!!

Maybe the honey do's list is over for the day.

Jay

I own the Act Labs RS2006 pedal set. It is nice and well made. The throttle is smooth and you can be quick with the clutch. I do wish the brake was a loadcell though. For that reason I will be purchasing a set of Fanatec Clubsport pedals soon to see how they feel. At about the same cost as the Act Labs and with more bonus features its a no brainer.

A1 Racing Gear needs to be here as well. A1 made the design for the RS2006 Actlabs pedals.
http://www.a1racinggear.com.au/products.htm

Sim-Gear.com makes a really nice H pattern shifter called the Lightning SST. I own this shifter and love it. They haven't made any pedals yet, but maybe one day will.

Jay

Quote from DragonCommando :

I recently got a Driving Force GT, you can read my review here:
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=51314

I would recommend this wheel, Its got 900º steering, FFB thats on par or better than the G25s, and its built realy well.

+1

Went from the DFP to the DF GT and I am very happy. Great feedback without the centering problems of the G25.

I will be putting the Clubsport Pedals from Fanatec (from the GT3 Clubsport edition wheel Mentioned above) with this wheel when it is available.

Jay

Quote from Zen321 :

Thanks for answering Dragon Commando

Well what I meant by a FFB pedal was a pedal that, apart from simulating that the more you push, the harder you have to push to go further (which can be done as you said with a rubber pad and an heavy spring), would also simulate the friction between the pad and the rotors depending on the tires angular speed.
So the faster you go, the more resistance there is, so to brake with a same strength, you'd have to push harder on your controller's pedal. And that you can not acheive yet in any controller.

Does that make sense ?

A Load Cell is not rubber. Though rubber damper would be needed in the assembly for it to work well. It is basically the electronic device that are used in digital scales. If measures force or pressure. So the harder you push the harder you brake. Very smooth braking.

http://www.fanatec.de/html/index.php?id=293&lang=en

This one is supposed to do sort of what you are talking about. It has a load cell as well as feedback actuator. However, with out some very tricky programming I am not sure LFS will be able to correctly output the information needed to allow the feedback to work as accuratly as it could. Mind you not realistic feeback, but feedback none the less.

Jay

Quote from Trekkerfahrer :

and this from a demo driver.... ^^

That's almost as uncalled for as his post.

Demo drivers are potential customers. Customers = Net income. Net income - overhead = profit and family income for a few guys making a awesome simulator so we can do something most of us can't do in real life.

Jay

Edit: And really. Just be Happy his name isn't Dr1ft_Dr1v3r_13370R5.

Minus the specifics you mentioned this has been discussed and said there shouldn't be any feedback (Edit: Feedback IRL). However, this would be a good feature to be able to have for brakes or even a way to vibrate the seat more accuratly since we can't have true seat of the pants feel... that is until Scawen and the boys figure out a way to manipulate our nervous systems and inject a insim packets directly to our brains. Fingers crossed and I'm willing to beta test. Just throwing that out there. Until then the ability to utilize more hardware available would be a plus. All we need is wheel spin insim packets. The third party devs will handle the rest. After all we can use H pattern gear boxes even though most all if not all H pattern gear boxes feel like controllers as apposed to a real gear box. I want realism as much as the next joe sim racer out there. But, I and other sim races would like more feedback from sim racing. This isn't a revolutionary step and nor should it be considered one. It is doable and a reasonable request.

Jay Odom

Edit: I said insim packet. I should have said outsim. My error.

Last edited by jbirdaspec, Mon 29 Dec 2008, 05:07.

Interesting:

This new pedal system is supposed to support feedback....

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=51002

All we need to make this really awesome is a insim packet that can transmit what tyres are locking.

I suppose a program could be written that causes feedback to occur based on :
If the brake is applied and if the RMPs are making a sudden drop based on packets received in that past 1/2 second?? ..though this won't cover the wheels that coast or in the case of AWD cars which wheels have lesser or greater center torque split.

Anyone care to comment?

Jay Odom

Quote from oqvist :

I do have CST pedals and I wholeheartly recommend it.
The reason you pay 700 USD for the CSTs is not just for the load cell... It´s for the design, the build quality and the realstic feel (except for the clutch) .

You can do a decent job with a simple piece of rubber like the nixim brake mod so a load cell in itself is not all. You can get more precision with a load cell yes but the question is if you have that precise muscles in your brake leg you can really utilize it fully. I was born with stiff wooden legs lol.

The CST pedals will last a lifetime or two so if you are dead serious with your simracing and plan on doing this for 20 years or something it´s not that bad of an investment having the best pedals available and not having to shell out 100$ or something every two years or so.

I agree with you 100%. I want the CSTs and could afford to purchase them...only problem is at what expense to my family... Could I do something else with the money? I need a real seat instead of killin' it in these desk chairs..... These look like a good alternative for the moment. If I get them and hate them there is always ebay. And then CSTs.

Edit: The most appealing thing of the CST's is the load cell. Which can be purchased on these pedals now. Plus. If you look at the design of the Club Sport Pedals you would use it as a really nice base and do a CST DIY custom load cell like Todd used on the CSTs.

I was planning on putty 600 or 700 USD on a set of CST pedals mainly for the load cell. In light that you can buy these pedals by them self for 200 I'm going to have to try them first. I still want the CST pedals, but as of now we are a one income family and the thought of 700 dollars just doesn't sit well. Combined with my DFGT and SST shifter this should hold me over for a good bit.

If you do that much with hardware setup a drive with your image on it so you don't have to reinstall windows and LFS. Surely someone that changes hardware this much has a extra hard drive hanging around and I'm sure you don't change the CPU more then once a week. And if you did change the CPU more then this surely it wouldn't be for a prolonged amount of time. Maybe you do. Perhaps there is way to edit the registry to manually change the CPU ID so that it appears to be the CPU you unlocked LFS with. Not even sure if that is possible, but everything that windows uses to reference and object tied to the OS is the registry.

Try this location Don't know what it will do. If you try and bit the big one it isn't my fault.
-->HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DESCRIPTION\System\CentralProcessor

Anyways. Thats my solution(s) to the problem at hand.

I suppose if we wanted to dig for what is realistic about it we could pretend the it so the turbos in the cars cool down before they stop. I had to do this in my old Talon TSI (eclipse GSX) for at least one minute before turning it off. Was good for the bearings or something. I've seen some cars that have a after market ignitions that does it after a few minutes. Though, only some cars have turbos in LFS......

Not serious...btw

Quote from DaniAv :

i have windows vista, and i have some problems with this operation system.
I want try linux UBUNTU, my question is "the simulator will work good on linux"?
thanks a lot

Use this with Ubuntu to run games:

Not an Emulator. It works directly with the DirectX API for gaming on Linux. Very good product and free trial.

http://www.cedega.com/gamesdb/games/view.mhtml?game_id=3179

Jay

The Scirocco is in more then one way a step in a new direction for LFS.

I noticed this thread today, but was unable to read through any thing but the first post. I had a feeling of disappointment. Christmas time is coming and I am not going to be behind a computer coding or working out a problem for a user. I planned on hanging out with my brother from Atlanta, parents and most importantly wife and 3 year old daughter. Almost as important was putting some serious time in on the Scirocco. Doesn't look like that will happen after all.

I admit. I thought of the cons first. I suppose that is a natural thing to do sadly. But, I did.

Then I began to think. How much I've worked over the past year to come to the level I am at in LFS. (off subject: I have something else to admit. I bought LFS in Dec 2007 and made it my new years resolution. Silly, but what the hell right?)..anyways.... I found LFS by accident and have driven this simulator more then i've played any game ever. Even Gran Turismo 1 which in the Summer of 98 took over a big part of my life. I try to treat LFS as though it is real. Not to a point of becoming disconnected from reality, but to enjoy and make the most of what is available to us. I consider this my part in LFS and I have great pride in always trying to be a better community member and a better driver. From all that I've seen from the devs they do the exact thing at their end of LFS. If you have always wondered why this Sim is so great?? Scawen's post in this thread is good example why. It shows the attitude. People that create things can't wait for you to see them. So they aren't holding out. The point of creating something you love is so others can enjoy it too. I would be willing to bet that this let down the devs more then it did us. Those that are flaming here should consider picking them self's up as the LFS Team has done and continue on.

My more current thoughts on the specifics to the new car and it's limited setup options goes like this:

Awesome!! This is awesome!! This could be some of the closest racing LFS has seen to date. I would assume there won't be any Locked-Diffs and we must treat the vehicle in more realistic manner to drive better. It is funny, but over the last few months on several occasions a team mate and myself has discussed how in spec racing there are limited setups. And Behold!!! The Scirocco is on it's way!!! It's almost like our minds were read. The way I see it now is this could separate the men from the boys.

Thanks for taking the time to read and I can't wait see where this goes.

Jay

Quote from gru :

gateway

i'm not sure if there is one for insim (and i'm to lazy to check )
but in another thread U wrote that 6 programs are made by U.
so why don't U pack it into one app (one insim connection)?

It would be an interface engine custom writen for insim. There would need to have a database, something thin and simple to store the information while processing. I guess you could us a cached file for quickness. Or use a database server to store the information in a organized manner so you could retrieve it later if needed. I've been exposed a big interface engine for connecting healthcare systems together before. It is no easy task. To build it you would have to know insim backward and forward and have rule defined for each app sending. Recieving end of apps could be funny becuase you would have to know where the data was heading. This would go back to defining each app in the cluster (if you want to call it a cluster) so you know where to relay the data.

If you were going to go to all this trouble it would be better to write an app that does the job of all the apps you want to connect to.

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

Yeah. You can.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/bootcamp.html

It's so easy to install, actually easier than installing Windows on a normal machine, due to not needing to look for drivers... AT ALL! Apple also periodically releases auto-updates to the drivers. Really quite nice.

Forget the Cedega thing then.

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

Meh, I'll take rebooting into Windows. The FPS being 4 times higher on the same machine is worth the 30 seconds of rebooting.

Wait.. You can load Windows onto a Mac and just reboot into it instead? I haven't worked with a Mac since my IIvx of the early 90's. I would like to know.

Quote from G. Dierckx :

Hey Guys,

Was looking for the lfs on mac threads but didn't found them.. anyway there might be a solution now

Since a few days / weeks Parallels dekstop 4 is released. I tried to run lfs on it and it runs at 30fps so it's playable!

Added a screenshot

Greetz!

Here is a little brain storm I had....

You might try installing Ubuntu Linux on your Mac since it appears that it is a Intel based MacBook and Nvidia Graphics hardware is well supported in Linux. After that try out Cedega for Linux systems. It will run most PC games and LFS has been tried before. The cedega support team might not officially support it, but it appears it will operate under Linux and Cedega. --> http://www.cedega.com/gamesdb/games/view.mhtml?game_id=3179

Cedega is an API instead of Virtualzation or Emulation software. LFS being based on the Directx 8 API should be very compatible. Being an API there will be less overhead compared to other methods. Linux can be jicky at times, but you will find developers on the Linux platform do some off the wall things that some people need and other company's just don't see the point in doing.

There is a free demo of Cedega and I have friends that have used it for directx 8 and 9 based games. Some of them even said games ran better in the less bloated linux environment. Everything about linux is lite and quick. It really would be a great base for main stream PC gaming if there were more linux users out there.

The only down side I can think of is you have purchase a subscription to Cedega to continue using it (25 dollars for six month or 45 for a whole year). Although you wouldn't limited to just LFS. You can play just about anything on Cedega and Linux.

Hope this helps you out. At the price of free to find out should be worth your time.

Jay

Quote from Zen321 :

Very true.
It feels like driving on american roads. Every time you get pulled-up for speeding (1 mile over the highway 55 mph limit yay), they ask for checking your car for marijuana if you're young. If you refuse (which is your constitutionnal right), they threat you to take you to jail and call the canine brigade which will be likely to smell anything but marijuana (they react to fuel...), and you'll have your car opened and taken to jail for no apparent reason.

Amendment IV: Warrants and searches.


The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

I think what you mean is you are asked if they may search your vehicle. And i might as well stop you from thinking they should be nice. Nice is not in an officers job description. If at that point you don't comply the officer can get a warrant from a Judge to search your vehicle. If you resist the officers (sure to be more then one by this time) then you go to jail. Poor judgment to let it go this far. And if you were riding around with anything illegal in the car, then thats your own fault and you should be deported. If they did violate peoples rights all the time like you way..and I'm not sure you working here and being from france does not give you any temporary privileges to our Constitution and it's amendments......there would plenty of attention to it as members of the more progressive groups in the USA would raise all hell to expose it. And if it were true then rightly so.

BTW we have "rights" and "freedoms", but this also means we have the right and freedom to screw up and do the wrong thing. Then pay the consequences Freedom, as we have here is a two way street. You must do your part.

I should also note that in my experience this searches are normally dished out to individuals that A: Have smart attitude. You would have to stupid or high to be a smart ass to a officer. B: Reek of drugs/alcohol C: Or you are acting suspect. For the record. I have had my house searched once and my car twice. The house was a full on strip search btw. Two or those time were my fault and I should have used better judgment. The other time was because a K9 alerted on my car and all they found was a bag of dog food.

I've observed comments you have made regarding the United States and smirk remarks about religion and they were not provoked by members of LFS Community. Unlike my post here provoked by you. These are uncalled for. If you have some kind of agenda you should drop it from these forums now. We are here for LFS, not you. From what I understand you are here working and are from france. If you are unsatisfied I'm sure there is a plane leaving soon... However, if you think there is something here for you and you would like to take part in our society in the way that all people here are rooted....Welcome to The United States.

Jay

Quote from apollo1600 :

Anyone?

There is a friend of mine on the Forums here that made his own. It is pretty nice. You might PM him and see what would be involved with making your own. legoflamb is his ID here on the forums. Tell him I referred you to him.

You gotta use the down force characteristic of the car combined with smooth braking and decisive turning of the wheel. Keep your speed up in the corners. The fast you can be in the corner with a open wheeled car the more grip you can create with the down force. DO NOT max out your down force trying to accomplish this. You can brake earlier to allow the car to slow down smoothly and elegantly. On this car you should use left foot braking. You can even get the engine torqued up before you smoothly release the brake so the transition from brake to throttle is seamless. The Driving Force GT is an excellent wheel. The wheel does not make the driver better. It can make the task a little easier though. Make sure you are using manual transmission. Shifting points are very important as they will effect the attitude of the car under braking. You don't want to shift to fast or to slow and you DO NOT EVER want to force the shifting or rather be in a hurry to get it downshifted to the proper gear. If you feel as though you are forcing the car to do anything (shifting, cornering, braking, accelerating, whatever) you should try another approach or ask for specific advice from a more experienced driver. 1:13s are obtainable by just about anyone willing to learn. My last PB is a 1:14:06 i think w/FBM on BL1. My FBM skills have improved since then and I am sure a bit more time would result in low 1:13s. This was the first track I attempted in the FBM, but it was straight from my transition from XRG to FBM. A different method was involved between tin tops and open wheelers for me.

Lastly.... And this depends on how you operate as a person...but for me, if I am talking on ventrillo or thinking about something else I tend to zone out and become faster. The heat of the moment tends to heighten my abilitys for a short amount of time if the heat of the moment didn't just put me back in the pits. The longer I stay on the track with out restarting the faster I become. I sorta zone out and just drive. Thinking of other things most the way. If I focus too hard I become frustrated and normally become slower then normal. This is my ADHD at work. My brain has a problem working faster then the rest of me allows. Not that I have super brain powers or anything like that. Most of the time this renders me more toward the useless side of things. But, if i have another outlet (talking, tapping my foot to a rhythm, any thing that some find distracting). A way to get it out. The outlet stimulates the over active part of my brain causing the part of my brain that is driving the car to work in a closer to normal level and allows me better impulse control as well. It is like a drain plug for the extra stuff built up in your head. The extra stuff that isn't supposed to be there. If you need another example compare it to the fuel mixture in a real car that is too rich. Diverting the fuel in another direction allows more powerful, more efficient engine performance. Many of my my PB's have been set in practice mode under tire testing or 20+ lap races. Part of this is due to how I zone out after many laps and I am very easy on the car by nature and a bit by habit as well. Some people may have the exact opposite problem though. You really have to figure out which type of person you are. Driving is mostly mental is the point of my ramblings here. The way a person operates should be applied to their driving practices.

Jay

Quote from klubi-17 :

What about FBM on oval
No servers has that combination yet

That would be cool. I could get up and get a soda from the fridge and be back in time to make the next left hander. :-)

Quote from Ashley Williams :

How about....

FBM + FOX at Kyoto Ring Long? Kyoto ring national?

After a little testing...

The FBM would Be unlimited

The FOX would have a 16% air intake handycap??

How does that sound?

5, 6, 7 laps? Pit required.

A

I had a FBM server at KY2 (National) over the weekend. It was set to 7 laps and even that is a bit lengthy for most pub races. If you run the cars with R1 tires they can get pretty burnt by the end of the race. GP would be a bit much I would agree.

Quote from Zen321 :

This is a wrong program code, because this is assuming someone already programmed the three answers to a public annoucement to be those. And as I don't beleive in god (that's why I write his name without capital letters, because he is a mere concept), I don't think such a code exists.

Of course it will make more work for them. But Live For Speed is not their hobby, it is the thing that make them eat, pay their rent, go to clubs etc. You need to have strictness in your work, they have it, that is not the point. More work = more rate of return concerning time/money spent in developping their game, so this is a win-win situation for both. Business is only about win-win situations.

Greetings france from Texas!

I suppose those variables could be keyed in or maybe even acquired from a Poll?????........ Look up ^ That is if it wasn't my half lucid attempt make a programmers joke to begin with.

I'm just sayin'. Just sayin'.

Very, Very Good Job.

Quote from Zen321 :

1. No communication = risk of nothing going on.



2. Live For Speed's updates take long to come.



3. We are right to suggest the increase in the labour force.

In a few lines, here is what happends when a programmer opens their mouths too much.....

$Goal1 = 'public announcement';

.$Goal1 = 'superduper great idea';
.$Goal1 = 'but i want more then you can offer right now';
.$Gaol1 = 'your not meeting your dead lines!!';

if $Goal1 (!= In_Control)

do {

if ($client != '')
{ echo 'Public Appology that will never be good enough';}
else
{ echo 'Nothing. There is no reason to start a fire in my own own back yard';}

while } $communitry == :worried:;

It just makes more work for them to do.

Last edited by jbirdaspec, Thu 20 Nov 2008, 21:15. Reason : Typo. Blah! Can't type