They are offering a chance to participate in something we care about. There is nothing wrong with another medium. In fact this medium seems very well put together so far besides the fact I think their website is a bit dated and needs some freshness applied. Though, in my experience so far with signing up for LFS @race2play it works well and seems organized. The whole LFS fanboy thing is a bit over the top and I see it as a line drawn in the sand. What good is that going to do? It won't help new people find their way into the LFS experience. That is for sure.

This could be fun. Lets give it a chance.

-Jay

Quote from PaulC2K :

But that still doesnt say why it actually matters.

I officially sanction LFS... so? What is this NASA going to do that makes it a better sim, makes the community better, makes events better, anything? Thats what im asking ffs.
I've asked twice already, what R2P are going to bring to LFS thats such good news, and all you've done is defend them and answered with nothing that doesnt exist in the community already.
If the FIA came into LFS, and all they were going to do was offer paying member preferencial treatment, and the assurance of someone watching the races they've organised, then they'd get the same response from me. So fecking what!?

Now, if the FIA said they'd get LFS on tv, magazines, and there was money to be won (for free entry) all paid for by their sponsors and stuff, then thats great, its bringing something new to LFS which gives its community something, as well as expanding the audience to new markets.
Some group called R2P who say they'll do what everyone else do, and have someone backing them who so far we havent been told why that makes a jot of difference to anyone who'd be involved in an R2P event, then i fail to see why we need a 'LFS has arrived now we are here' post which makes no attempt to say how they're going to make things better for people already in this community, and why we should be excited.


Now, ive never heard of R2P, and having looked at their site for a few minutes, its shockingly average and doesnt give the impression of any importance, they've had 1 person come on here telling us its a great day now they're here, then it turns out they want money to show you favouritism, what you've said about them says they offer nothing to the LFS community that isnt already done in other leagues, and then low and behold some official R2P bod comes on with an oscar acceptance speach basking in the limelight that all is not lost now R2P is here, welcome to the future of sim racing.... type post.
WTF else am i supposed to expect? Then, rather than explain why this is a good thing for the LFS community thats already here, im just given reasons why its good for LFS because some people who play other sims might like LFS now. Well thats great for them, but asside from getting more flakey racers which we have plenty of, who play a different game each day of the week, that doesnt offer anything to someone who's already aware of LFS.



Its also worth pointing out, simply through posts on this thread, you've had FIVE people say it looks interesting.
TWO of those are R2P trolls, ONE was an R2P official telling us that we're better off for them being here, but oddly not a reason why.
Im not even sure where to place 'Jay' cos he's sounding either he's another troll or he knows more about R2P than anyone has bothered to say in this 'R2P are here, yey' thread, which shows only people who know WTF any of this means can see maybe its a good idea, the rest DONT HAVE A CLUE COS YOUR NOT SAYING ANYTHING HELPFUL!
Shall we count the number of people who've said something negative or questioning exactly whats the fuss?? Its significantly higher, because nobody know wtf'ing fuss is about cos your too busy telling us how its great for non-LFS's and now how a real racing assoc is big news, but not what impact that has for anyone.

If R2P is the best org the racing sim world has to offer, then the racing sim world is dead! The people trying to impose its self importance are too busy trying to sound important than bother to explain what makes them special, or theres nothing special to explain, and nobody is any the wiser for this fantastic news.

So far, we've been told nothing about how its better for people already in LFS, what any of it matters. Maybe having NASA means lfs drivers could get a RL drive, but your not saying anything about why we should give a hoot that they have some probably worthless seal of approval (in terms of what it brings). Unless you tell us why, were not going to come to the conclusion you guys seem to expect us to.

If you want people to understand why R2P is good, make a bloody effort to say why, dont make a stupid 'great news' OP, and whine when people are critical about what they see, then have some R2P suit waltz in spout more unhelpful nonsense about how wonderful they are, and make sod all effort to say why! And dont bloody moan when >1/3 of the people who've commented come to the same conclusion i have, while you make no effort to answer the real questions and explain why your so wonderful and why we should care less about this.
If you dont care if we've no idea, why post this at all
If you do care, STFU with the BS and this impression that R2P is so wonderful everyone should already know, and start fcking telling people so maybe they'll understand. Is it really that hard to understand??

I'm still waiting on those 2 seconds.

Paul,

I fail to see your problem here.

I would think after membership here since at least 2003 you might be a bit more open to anybody wanting to further the LFS experience and allowing new mediums and outlets for it to grow. Not to mention all the work you have done with LFS Pro Series. I think your actions and words are conflicting and confusing. I don't get your tone you know? You expect someone to organize something for free? Because of good will? Do you dislike that fact that someone might be able to capitalize on an idea and maybe put some money into their pocket or at least break even? Maybe we can get the governments of the world to sponsor this so it can be all kinds of screwed up and run by bueracracies? The days of one time fees are nearing an end. Service industry, providing of services over the internet in a lot of cases, is becoming more popular because of return of investment and the cost overhead. You can provide more service, to more people and give them more of what they would like when modeling a service like race2play.com this way. But... for gods sakes.. the accounts are free!!! I still don't get what you are saying Paul? Like we are all about to get ripped off for our free accounts? Maybe I will put some of my money here if I enjoy what is going on. If it sucks, then I won't. Seems like the right thing to do instead of blasting the forums with crap and the first race doesn't run until tonight? This is exposure for LFS. LFS is something that many, many people are missing out on in the sim community as a whole. It really seems to me that you are afraid of our little world of LFS changing to something you don't approve of. It is too bad that the community decides and not a single person. Maybe too bad for you anyways. They are not hosting LFS. They are hosting organized racing events. And since LFS is a superb racing simulation. And it is over due for some attention from race2play.com . race2play.com doesn't do what they do because it is super profitable I am sure. I suspect they do this because they real like doing it. Otherwise it wouldn't have been around as long as it has. But if it is good, then race2play should be compensated by those that can do so IMO.

When you come up with anything valid and decide to stop repeating yourself like a broken record.... Please post it here. I'll even read through your bull crap just to see that for 2 seconds you aren't going to be closed minded.

Give that try.

To further the sim community, if anyone is interested, I know I am, we should put our money into this sport at the root. That means the guys out there doing for this for the passion they have for it.

SRT media needs donations. Small hardware vendors like CST, Frex, Sim-Gear, NIXIM needs the true hardcore sim racers to buy their products so they can continue to push the bar up for their competitors to move forward as well because that is long, long over due. All of these add up to better experience for us. We are sitting at a major tipping point in sim racing. I think it may become bigger then we think it can become. We as the community have to put our money in places that will do something great. iRacing (even though not very excepted around here) is a great idea for the true sim racer's of the world. race2play, CTRA (even though it is gone for the moment) was just amazing and free to use. But look at what it did for Sam. It was a job that he handled for little or no money for a long while, but he can't continue being a servant forever. This is where roads lead unless there is something in it for the people spending all their time and their own money to create a community and a service. And we have to support them financially because these people have lives, just like we do. But only when the service is worth it. Otherwise it should be allowed to fail. Simple as that.

Sorry to sound like a such a cry baby here. I do feel a bit ashamed for going off the deep end so to speak. But I feel that sim racing is ready to grow like it has never grown before. Just look around us at the people involved. They deserve our support when a job is well done.

Thanks for reading and please consider.

Jay Odom

This is what I'm talking about:

http://race2play.com/schedule/show/399

Count me in. Sounds like a great way to really use this service.

I will at the demo race tomorrow. Looking forward to it.


-Jay

Sure. I will give this a try. Signed up for the March 17th demo STD class at BL1.

-Jay

I doubt there is anything we can think of in the realm of realism that the developers haven't thought of yet. Trying to put a schedule to creative implementation of features isn't IMO respectful of LFS's history of "when it works the way we want it to" from the developers perspective. But do to your clutch heating rant, I don't think you get this. And if when/if these features are put in LFS I would imagine you would just once again complain. As far as Drift servers go, I normally try to use my common sense and it is enough. If there was an official mode called Drift in LFS they could filter it. Drifting in LFS is not the intention of the developers, rather style of driving implemented by the server participants. Being a style it is difficult to measure and define technically enough for server to know what it should label itself. In Gran Turismo 1, the ability to drift in game was referred to by the PolyPhony developers as "The Miracle" because it wasn't the intention for it to be possible but the physics allowed it to happen.

Do you want to know what I really think??

Without even using search button I can tell you there are plenty of topics regarding the subjects you are referring on other boards. I would start with the Improvements Suggestions section if I where you. Your recent activity on these forums has been rude and shows poor lack in judgment and more then likely a personality disorder with the need to argue and start fights. If you don't believe me, just look at this post you inspired me to write. This is worse then when Tristan gets the urge to beat up on some 14 year old for requesting Dubz and ground effects on the XRT or FXO. You know you like doing this Tristan .. admit it... j/k.

What do i know though? I work in a cube and haven't own anything IRL that could be counted as a performance vehicle since 1996. Not to mention I've never even been to a race track. But I did drive by the Texas Motor Speedway one time. I've gotta start staying at the Holiday Inn Express....

-Jay

Quote from gotspeed :

yea 2 not 3 and getting it to span both screens. i can get it to show the higher rez like 3000x 1200 and what not but when i select it it only shows on the 24 and its not even the whole 24. i have seen it done just can't get the settings right.

I noticed this in the configuration script

" ;deviceIDLeft=-1"

That little ';' is to comment out the monitor. I think you want to leave that at -1 with out the commenting it out with ';' I remember once I setup my card to do two monitors and the side that I didn't want to show I set to -1.

I know there is a way to use nvidia's spanning too. If you did this, you could get a dll file from some where here on the forums to move the screen position so that you could look out one monitor normally, but on the left or right monitor would show the whole left side. That way you aren't stuck with the bezel's in the middle of your view.

-Jay

**EDIT:

*Note that when you disable one side of the screen, the whole screen is still rendered, but you just don't output it to a VGA/DVI output.

Quote from [DUcK] :

Hi!

Well yeah, that should be true - most of the time. In pick up racing and hotlapping etc that's most certianly true. If you're doing enduro races with GTR cars, then sets are very important, not for speed, but for a mix of speed and tyre life. It's a difficult balance to find, one that takes time and fine tuning.

In saying that though, it's pretty easy to just grab any set you want on lfs and be reasonably fast with it. The only time you need to drasticaly change a set is when there's corners on the track that are not suitable for a normal set, for example Fern Bay with its massive kerbs. You'll usually see setups for there, with soft springs and high ride height, so it can run over kerbs more than possible with a regular setup. They handle like boats, but sometimes it's fast on LFS... Then again there's not that much difference between a 'boat' set and a 'normal' set at FE

Yes. FE.... That environment is home to the devil himself. The bridge after turn one on FE2R is where he spends most of his days......

Not only that, but it is always lying to you.. "come on. You can take this chicane faster then you think you can." Crash! "haha.. just kidding. sucker face noob"

Back on topic though. I didn't expect marvelous results from the setup I was using. But I did push it harder and attempted to use what it had to offer. If I were to be a racing event, I would definatly take more advantage of the setup features like you said. I think the gears are always up for a change regardless of track, unless they happen to fit well right off by chance. Final drive adjustment and then go. I could see where a good gear setup would help a lot in an enduro race if you could just stay out a few laps longer between pits and driver changes.

Thanks for your input.,

Jay Odom

Quote from RobbyMac :

um... Aren't there spotters in real life?
If someones too lazy to look left or right, they're probably too lazy to bother downloading such a tool.

I normally don't do this but...

+1

Any tool that will help a race be a good race is good tool.

And I don't see how it could be banned until insim developers are required to register the application before it can be used in a live environment. Then make it an include variable when connecting to the master server for registered apps. That is just too messy and defeats the gift the Scavier has allowed us to use with LFS called insim.

-jay

Quote from Vendetta :

I downloaded the latest profiler from the wingman site (v5.02) and its still not working.

*edit* i changed my controls to sequential, than back to shifter and its working now..lets see how long it lasts *edit*

FYI-

The logitech site has version 5.04 available

Hope you get this working.

Keep us posted!

Quote from Vendetta :

Ok, this might help. When i push forward on first gear while in this text box this is what happens:

000000000000000000000000000000000

Amount of 0's depends on how long i hold it for. None of the other gears submit a character of any kind..what is going on here?

I sounds like you have the first gear bound to 0 with an external program. Check all of your configuration settings in your logitech profiler. Global and custom settings per game. I think there you will find your answer.

Quote from Not Sure :

I recommend G25 or some wheel with a load cell brake. Those "g25 killers" seem quite low quality to me..

What is another wheel / pedal set with a load cell brake?


Edit: Hours later I'm hearing Crickets............

Last edited by jbirdaspec, Thu 5 Mar 2009, 21:21.

Quote from hotmail :

G25 , sure is , The fanatec is only good when you buy the upgraded pedals,
and this means that the g25 is a hell lot cheaper!

I don't know exactly where some on in Bulgaria would buy a G25, so my best guess was logitech website. Maybe there are better places I am unaware of since I don't have a need to find a logitech product there.

That said:

The G25 is 349 EUR on the logitech website.

The Fanatec GT3 RS does come in a club sport package as posted on the website and I'm sure this couldn't be missed. So the pedals in that package are included.

The GT3 RS with Clubsport pedals is 289.95EUR
The GT3 RS with out any pedals is 169.95EUR
The Clubsport Pedals alone are 199.95EUR
If you get them separate, then yes. GT3 RS is more expensive.

From my limited perspective of the situation it appears the GT3 RS is less expensive compared to ordering a G25 from the manufactures website. But, I am sure there are other places to buy the G25 for less.

Either I or Hotmail is misinformed. If I am the one missing something let me know.

The Clubsport pedals, as I have mentioned many times before on these forums, it looking to be a benchmark for high end 'mainstream' sim racing products. IMO the pedals are more important then the wheel. I was going to buy a set of Clubsports when they are released, but I had the oportunity to buy a full set of CST pedals and I had to go for the CSTs. In 4-5 weeks I will have my CSTs and I am pretty excited. High End 'custom' products (fi you will) like the CST pedals are what inspired the technology being put into the Clubsport pedals. This is the first time a set of pedals with kind of quality have been released at this low of a price. I believe this is where all pedals for sim racing are going.

To not really consider purchasing the GT3 RS Clubsport editions is a almost a crime when you can get a great deal with the wheel and pedals bundled together for way less then separate. When the clubsports are released the G25 pedals will be dwarfed in it's shadow. I know this is a bold statement, but I believe it to be true and time will tell us. I am sure some think I am some kind of anti logitech gamer that is cheering for the little guy because I hate the big bad logitech. Not true. I have owned 3 logitech wheels and I have never bought a Fanatec product. I like logitech and recommend their products to many people and even friends. But after paying attention to Fanatec, they are in this to make amazing products clearly. With real competition coming, logitech will produce even better products too.

-Jay

Quote from pgrande :

...I have 2 spare G25s waiting for Steroids...

LOL! Now that's funny. Roid-raging G25s

I took notice of a post that scott andrews made a while back that he claimed he had a few good sets per car and that there is not reason why a car that is fast on one track with a setup couldn't be fast at another track with a few tweaks.

Over the weekend I returned to the car and track I started LFS with, Blackwood w/XFG. I had a set I had been comfortable with in the summer of 08 when I had set my PB on that combo or close to around that time. The set I started with had symmetrical camber and tyre pressure or very close to symmetrical. I drove that set over and over and took notice of the flaws that popped right out me. But, I didn't jump in a start changing settings. Instead I thought about how I could approach the changes as I was driving giving me 10 or 20 laps at a time to think and debate my recent thoughts. This also allowed me to adapt to the car. One because I was simply driving and not over thinking the track. Two because I allowed the car the chance to tell me what I needed to do to encourage a more efficient technique. It almost as if I was just there doing it, but not really there. Sometimes it even seems like observing once you are in the zone.

What I really did was dial myself in first, then I dialed the setup in very small steps giving me the choice to back out of that change if after giving it a chance I felt it didn't suit my goal. Most the time it is my fault I'm going slow and not the cars. I'm sure this is true for most. It is all too easy to give up on yourself and start tuning the car with hopes of faster laps times, rather then learning to deal with the setup you have.

My end result was a putting the XFG on BL1 into the high 1:33s from the low 1:34s with very small setup changes. Not a huge jump, though before I would bounce all over the 1:34s and sometimes into the 1:35s. Now I hit mid to low 1:34s very frequently. After I hit a 1:33 in the XFG I jumped in my old XRG set and did the same thing and had the same results. It came much faster the 2nd time with the XRG though. The setups are able to run longer 20 30 lap races with ok lap times I expect. They are not hot lap sets. I don't do hotlapping really and prefer to run at least 10 laps at per go at the track.

-Jay

Quote from sparadise :

Amazon is selling the Driving Force GT for 79.99 after a $30 logitech rebate.

http://www.amazon.com/PlayStat ... qid=1236003221&sr=8-1

I actually prefer it to the G25 with one little mod I did to the paddle shifters. I have free standing pedals so I don't need to plug them into the wheel. The G25 pedals will not plug in to the DFGT. With the latest 5.04 drivers all the buttons on the wheel work with a PC. Send me an e-mail [email protected] and I will send you pics of my shifter mod. Steve P

That is a hella deal right there.

Normally with top of my knee so I can text, drink a soda and hold a smoke. Wheel isolation can be a real PITA in that postion.....

9 - 3 .

-jay

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

So tell me how come RSR and/or NDR often has 40 people + racing TBO? That's fantastic racing in great cars, and even Conedogers GTR servers are being used. I'm sure there are some FOX/FBM servers but I don't race those so don't look.

Tell me how racing servers are dying?

Exactly Jamie. And BTW. What is up with the Red and Blue filtered avatars around here?? I must not be in the loop......

Anyways:

Pretty sure nobody has an answer, because LFS isn't kickin' the bucket or killin' it in any way. The only thing killin' it around here are inpatient people VWbating to the Scirocco and having some sort of doom and gloom theory's of the future of LFS. Don't get me wrong. I can't wait to try out the Scirocco, but there are a lots of things to do in LFS and otherwise. Hell. If anybody thinks the servers are dead, get a couple of friends in an empty server with a combo you like. People will join because the more people online will only bring more people online. And if they don't, you still had fun and maybe next time it will work.

You just can't come on the forums, talk a bunch of bull and expect the holy light of the racing gods to shine a pone your face and grant a wish based on your misconceptions.

If you want to make LFS better, more appealing and support the devs:

Drop some cash in your LFS account. Buy some high res skins. Get a data key then install ario on a LFS server (<--fantastic software isn't it??). Find someone that needs some help getting started in LFS. Give someone you know a old wheel you have lying around with a link to the demo. Improve your lap times. Improve your setups. Help improve someone else's laptimes or setups. Write a insim app that creates an entirely new way to play LFS.

Just don't make a post that sounds like the ship hit an ice burg and we all about to drowned.

-Jay

Quote from DragonCommando :

All that for $130, I would never buy it, that has to be some serious cost savings, considering the G25's $300 price tag, and it's still pretty cheaply made.

The DFGT is a good buy if you can get it for under $130usd, I payed $145can for it, and that was on sale. I was very impressed by the wheel, and with the new drivers, all the buttons work perfectly.

The only thing with it is the pedals, they are a bit cheap, but they are actualy much better than the DFP or Momo, the DFGT has re-designed internals in the pedals, so they won't spike or fail.

I myself wouldn't purchase it either because I have all the bells and whistles already. So far I have purchased all of my gear modularly and over time. Started with a DFP. Then Actlab RS2006 pedals. Then SST shifter. Then a DF GT and now a CST pedals with stiff brake upgrade and a loadcell braking controller will be my new pedal set in a little over a month. However, there are lots of sim racers out there that do want the bells and whistles and don't want to drop a minimum of 250 USD up to over a 1,000 to get there.

Enter Mainstream Modular Upgading:

Modular is really my point here and also competition. A feature of the new Fanatec products coming is that you can add upgrades to the existing product you own. Loadcell braking system made completely of metal and MAG POT potentiometers, Shifters, Aluminum paddle shifters. The Clubsport pedal system can be added to any existing wheel you have because it is also a stand alone unit like the custom pedal systems that have been available for years by smaller vendors. With the standalone version of the GT3 RS, Fanatec is even going to support G25 pedal systems for sim racers that don't want to buy a complete package, but want or need to buy a new wheel. A first in the mainsteam sim gear market as far as I know. The thing about the cost of the G25 is that there wasn't any real competition and years ago it was new mainstream tech for sim racing. Sure.. Fanatec put out the super duper 911 wireless system, but they went completely over board with that wheel in my opinion if they wanted hardcore sim racers to buy. Wireless?? Really??? and at like 400 bucks it was over the price range of the G25 by far. I think Logitech even lowered their G25 price when the 911 turbo wireless started to emerge. The thing is that Logitech does have real competition now. Before who was there?? Thrustmaster?? not really competition. It is in Fanatec's best interest to make this new budget wheel all it can be. It's been 3 years since the g25 was announced then released, I'm sure in that time someone was able to find away to make a competitive product for less money. I suppose time will tell though.

FYI Guys:
DF GT for 109 if anyone is interested. Even though I sound like a Fanatec Fanboy I know a good thing when I see it.
http://smoketronics.com/Wheels ... e™-GT/product_info.html

US guys can watch the best buy adds from week to week as well. 2 weeks ago the DF GT was for 99 USD there. A buddy of mine even picked one up and he had been holding out for a G25.

-Jay

Porsche 911 GT3 RS Wheel - http://www.fanatec.de/webshop/ ... 1e83f384264b017597a5e2556

^^ This wheel, if you choose the clubsport package with the new loadcell braking system should be pretty nice. FYI - There are 2 package of GT3 RS: One with out pedals for use with G25 pedals or if you have stand alone pedal system. The other has the clubsport.

Logitech driving force pro - http://www.logitech.com/index. ... /devices/273&cl=US,EN

^^I would say ixnay on the DFP and get the DF GT if you want logitech in this price range. DF GT is way beyond the technology of the DFP and the cost is very, very close. No more then 20 or so US dollars.

Logitech G25 - http://www.logitech.com/index. ... /devices/131&cl=US,EN

^^ Great Wheel set and you can't go wrong. I think though with Fanatec putting out some amazing products like that GT3 RS clubsport edition the G25 will not be kind of the hill that much longer. I would bet logitech is gearing up to compete with Fanatec, though nothing has been officially announced that I know of.

http://www.fanatec.de/html/index.php?id=280&lang=

^^ This is looking to be one of the best, if not the best band for you buck wheel, pedal and shifter set. The guys at insidesimracing.tv said they are using this wheel instead of their G25 wheel. They claim it is better then the G25 and at around 100 USD less then the g25 it is a steal.

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

I don't have one myself but I've seen plenty of happy users here on LFS forums, especially since a recent driver update or something.

yep. like he said.

I recommend the DF GT to be the wheel to get in this price range until May when the new 'budget' Fanatec Porsche Carrera wheel set comes out for 130 dollars USD, other currency prices on Fantec's website. (includes a clutch, six speed and 900 degrees FFB wheel). If you already have a wheel, I would wait and see what starts happening in a few months. I believe the high end technologies are going to start coming down to more consumer friendly prices.

check out this thread for some more info on the DF GT official dirvers:

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=53970

And here to see the Fanatec Porsche Carrera preview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPwGMCflpVs

I think this should be enough for you to make an informed decision.

Jay Odom

Quote from Yasko :

I took Jay up on his offer. It's been 4 days now, and my pb went from 1:39.50 at blk gp in a xfg, to 1:35.22.
Thanks Team 400. You guys rock.

Hey! Don't forget that you did the work. And that you won your first race in LFS earlier today too! I'm glad we could get you going in a positive direction.

If Yasko hadn't been so worn out from his all day stint of online racing, he would have put his PB down in the 1:34x range I have no doubt.. I bet by tomorrow he will be there. His goal was to at least reach 1:35x by the end of the weekend and put in 1,000 miles. He manged all of this around the half way point. In fact he is running some where in the 1:35x range pretty consistently now. After a little more time in the XFG we want to throw him in a XRG so he can get his feet wet in a RWD car. Not only does Yasko have the patients and willingness to put in the time to accomplish a goal, he is also very conscience of other drivers on the track. Not once did we see him attempt something that put another drivers race at risk or do the noobish type stuff most people in their 3rd or 4th day try. He really thought out his entry into online racing before he ever connected.

Good Job Yasko!!

-Jay

Quote from gigi91430ita :

Hello everyone,
I'm not really a very good "LFS forum" user, because I don't read it every day and I have never posted here, but generally at least once a week I try to read some threads just to stay up-to-date.
I see that there are a lot of people (me too, obviusly) asking for the VW Scirocco or for general news about the development of our favourite game.
I understand that only 3 developers with a huge project like LFS makes them very busy, but why don't write something like a weekly newsletter telling about the progress in developing patches or updates? People should complain less and maybe could even give some suggestions..
What do you think?

(maybe this idea isn't so new, but I have never read anything similar, so this is my suggestion. If someone already answered to a similar question please tell me)

The problem with writing a newsletter every week is:

You have to Write a Newsletter Every Week.

This time could be spent on other things. Believe me. when you have to switch gears and start writing a weekly newsletter or report you then must switch back to doing actual work. Not only those things, but the first time the Weekly News Letter is late or missed you'll get an uproar.

I have to submit a weekly report at work. The problem is not writing the report. The problem is stopping what you are doing, gathering all your thoughts and putting them on paper so your boss can forward it to his boss, who forwards that to his boss and it ends up somewhere in the CEO's inbox. Scawen is his own boss... so he reports to no one.....besides his wife of course.

-Jay

Quote from opi4613 :

http://www.yoyotech.co.uk/logi ... ring-wheel-p-1398078.html - I looked at the driving force gt and it has 900 degrees but it states its for ps3 slightly confusing. any help?

I couldn't find out how much rotation the r660 has but still looking,

Thanks for the help so far guys! once again any more greatly appreciated.

In your price range the DF GT is the best IMO. I've owned one for 5 or 6 months now and it is a really, really good wheel for the money.

The Ferrari thrustmaster is good i hear.

i wouldn't mess with that saitek though. It just looks poorly built.

Edit: Driver URL http://www.logitech.com/index. ... en?WT.ac=sc|downloads||dd

Last edited by jbirdaspec, Thu 26 Feb 2009, 22:55. Reason : added url

Quote from jrs_4500 :

I guess I misunderstood. That's what started all this.

Unfortunately I am a bit cryptic at times.

-Jay