Compared to LFS and other 'hardcore' PC based simulators the GT series wasn't/isn't a simulator. I don't know how many here were even old enough to be able to recognize what GT1 was when it was release or even remember it at all. But I know at least some are. I was in my late teens then.
At the same time though, GT1 pretty much pushed the bar graphically and with physics. What they did will a Playstion was nothing short of astounding. While I understand there were some PC titles around this time that were pretty revolutionary them selfs, GT1 was mainstream and really kinda hardcore for the time. That's an odd combination even now. Forza came close, but was too late in the game to show the world something new. Forza was no where near original. But it is good.
I do know for obvious reasons the GT series has grown graphically and content wise. There were pitiful attempts in regards to physics changes over the course of longer then a decade though. I just would think a 'simulator', if you will, would work on the other aspects more then they did. Though, it has a big market and they have to sell so many copies to make it justifiable financial wise. I get that. It has a name to uphold in those respects.
After the short comings of GT4, I sold my GT4, GT3 and console. It just sucked as I worked with Forza for a while for the multiplayer. Forza's multiplayer drove me from the PS2 to XBOX. No other reason besides that. That's a whole different story though....
To sum it up and couple other thoughts:
I think a lot of where we are now is because a GT1. Not just in sim racing, but in what GT did for the import tuner market in the United States. It got a lot of the existing 'closet' import tuners out. I think too it lead in the creation a horrid import tuner films that inevitably started the tuver craze.... i mean large diameter and spoiler craze here. I can't be sure. But if not for GT1, I don't know that the Evos, GTRs and other such type cars would have made it here in the States. It just seems like after GT1, other markets stated getting bigger. Sorta like a milestone in a way for this culture.
Jay
I agree. I didn't look for the thread, but this is my take as of why:
As long as the connection is stable the cars will have no more jitteryness then the minimum amount of jitteryness as LFS is programmed to have. But, high latency will be more prone to dropped packs by the nature of networking. Latency is cause by the distance and the amount of time the packets being sent have to be processed and reprocessed at routers or 'hops' on the network. In these cases the internet. Lag also has nothing to do with the speed of the line purchased. But like with latency consistency is key for multiplayer games. I would rather have a consistent 1,500kbps connection then a not so consistent 20,000kbps connection for gaming. Or even a 500kbps stable connection. Any ISP that sells you a 'gamers connection' as the best connection for gaming because of it's speed is taking advantage of the fact gamers spend fair amounts of money in internet gaming. It's marketing. And The more you press a modem for speed, the more likely it is to drop packets and become unstable.
With LFS high latency is not very noticeable as it is a racing sim. Unless of course it is very, very high latency. In a racing sim their is a certain amount of expectation by the driver because the cars have momentum and will continue to travel in a certain direction as they change direction either in acceleration forward, left, right and deceleration. The nature of a racing sim gives you the ability to predict better. But, sharp reflexes will still help you in a racing sim. Not saying they aren't a good thing.
In a shooter though you want to have constancy combined with low latency as razer sharp relexes are needed in the heat of combat. Unless of course you know how to run the map. This combined with reflexes is how the best FPS players win. You can use prediction, but not as much as you can in a racing sim as the movement in a shooter is more unpredictable due to how quick changes of direction can be as opposed to the natural physics of a racing sim.
Jay
**Edit. I would like to add that this is why people from all around the globe can be in one server at the same time and enjoy a good multiplayer racing experience. The luxury of the nature of Sim Racing far exceeds that of Shooters as most the time you try and get the best ping possible to compensate for the delay.
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With Metro Sweaters. Designer button downs. All combined with a Scarf.
I see no reason why you wouldn't.
Jay
In order to understand a Mac User you must first do several things:
1. Buy a MacBook pro. Not a Mac. A MacBookPro. OK? You are a cutting edge mac user now. You live life on the go. Remember that. You are a 'productive computer user'. Also purchase a iphone, ipod and the latest best selling novel. Your choice of book. You non-conformist you.
2. Make sure you get a very Metro sweater and/or Classy button down shirt. Wear the shirt un-tucked to show your casual appeal and nature. Put them together for a perfect look. Also pick up a beany for you head. OH WAIT!!! Go back and get a scarf. I almost forgot the scarf. Wear the scarf regardless of temperature. Got it? Ok.
3. Take your Mac to a classy, yet urban styled Cafe'. Hint: The ones with big green signs are everywhere and very non-conformist. Order a latte' and make the order sound sophisticated and expensive. The idea here is to confuse the Barista. Remember. You are a Mac user and you are better then some Barista that went to Barista school. You are. Yes you are.....
4. Look for the people eye balling you. These people are not Mac Users!! The mac users are posted up at the bar causally checking their email and trying to pick the right track from their itunes collection to fit their casual mood. They also may have just recieved free iTune tracks for the urban coffee purchase they just made. They will not see you. In fact they probably think they are the only Mac users in the cafe' since most the people in the world are not as smart as they are.
5. Next Join the bar and do the same as the other mac users. But, you won't notice who they are either..you must think about yourself now... just sit down... This part will work it's self out for you.
6.Make sure you place you iphone, iPOD (U2 edition, to show you've been in using an iPOD since the b/w days.) ear buds and the latest best selling novel all surrounding your MacBookPro. Make sure the blue apple is illuminated and that you at some point use all the the items you have brought. Do this in a productive looking manner. Unwrap the scarf, but don't take it off. Just let it dangle over your chest.
7. When a PC user walks by glance at their 500 dollar laptop. Then make eye contact as you point you nose into the air and smirk devilishly. Don't worry. PC users are far to stupid to notice your disgust and are generally weak so they won't confront you.
Now isn't this fun!?!?!
8. Continue this until you get bored and you can't find a good documentary to watch on google video. At this point it is time for you to leave.
9. Casually make way to your econnomy type car. Priuses are good, but VWs are better. Jetta or Golf (std) will do just fine.
Welcome to the mind of the Non-Conformist Mac User.
j/k guys. In all honesty though... If I could buy any notebook I want. I would get a MacBookPro.....
Then Load XP on it.
Jay
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I agree. I am in the same boat and staying with XP. For a power user XP is still the best at this point.
The only great thing I've noticed with Vista is it keeps less computer savvy folks from jacking their computer up quite as bad. Mainly home users that have yahoo! mail and IE7. For someone that is all their friends computer beeotch this is good for me. Less problems. People really could jack a XP OS with just the wrong decision on the internet. Plus they think the music they are getting is really free.....it wasn't so free after that new Unbrella song ended up rolling their filesystem....
At work we had to stick to XP for a while still. Most of the apps we have to maintain aren't even supported with Vista. This means that if we put them on Vista we loose contracted support through vendors. The software market (especially the ones that make very specific types of software with custom implemented features) loathes Vista and IE 7 for that matter. Took some of these vendors over one year to get their web based active x plugins up to code for IE7. Companys like GE just amazed me with their unwillingness to update. Seems like most of them just gave up when Vista started rolling out.
In short: Vista is good for noobs,nubs and anybody wants to work harder to get more out of their OS..... XP is still for Power Users and IT professionals.
I may end up giving 7 Beta a try... we will see.
Jay
Were you running vista before Win 7 beta or Vista?
Jay
**Edit - HUH? What am I trying to say. LOL
Were you running XP or Vista before Win 7 beta I meant..
Jay
Exactly. See what happens with what you have and move forward with a nicer PSU if needed.
Try out this calculator to measure your power requirments:
http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp
Good Luck
jay
ICS is very jeeky peice of software.
What I know about ICS:
ICS likes the local network adapter of the computer to be set to 192.168.0.1 and dns on the client PCs (xbox in this case) to be set to 192.168.0.1 . Note the IP configuration on the client PC(xbox in this case) needs to be dynamic. ICS uses what is called a proxy DNS server, or something like that to change IP addresses to names and vice versa.
I have seen this done a thousand times as well too:
The person setting up the share on the wired ethernet adapter rather then the wireless (internet source adapter). So you should be going to the 3G card to share it instead trying to share the Wire connection. Windows has to know what connection you want to share as apposed to the connection the Clients will be connecting too. Of the 3 or so people i have helped setup ICS before, they all did or tried to make this mistake. It is very easy to do by accident.
Check the Windows firewall. you can't turn it completely off as the windows firewall is part of ICS. So you can have to adjust the firewall settings to accomidate..sometimes... I think there might even be a setting for XBOX in the firewall settings.
Might even check out the XBOX forums and FAQ. I have seen things like this there before. Even a good old google search could help you find you way.
Good Luck!
Jay
I might have been a bit hasty to say 'dated' in terms of sim racing. I accept that. It was released over 2 years ago with no big brother wheel released yet. Soon it will not be king of the hill in the mainstream market. Let me say though. The wheel it self isn't really what will be dated. It is the pedals. They are based on old technology that is really quite dated already. Brush POTs being the key argument here. Pedals are the most important part. A lot of the reason I focus on pedals is because they have been neglected in comparison to wheel technology. There are lots and lots of good wheels out there. The DFP the poster has is a good wheel. I know a couple of really fast guys that use this wheel. The G25 won't make you faster. Neither will Hall Mag POTS and loadcells from less dated tech. But they will give a better connection to the game and combined practice can make better lap times easier to be faster at. Especially pedals.
If you have a wheel that works I would hold out and see where the market goes. It smells like over due change is in the air to me.
Jay
You might be able to find this information in other posts to prove me wrong:
But, we don't know exactly how long they took to create the FBM in comparison to how long we were preview to the information. This is before my time here with LFS.
We don't know how long they were working on the Scirocco before we were preview that either. We found out through sources outside the dev team. They only confirmed the rumor as a respect to community. Proving they probably have never lied to us in the past either. Also, the limited setups would defiantly slow things down.
Perfectionists. Yes they are. This will make Mrwei a happier Happy Boy when it's all done and on the LFS roster of cars.
Jay
Good post yourself.
**Edit. Wait - Wait - Wait: Somehow I lost my reason for posting. I've forgotten to take my Adderall today....sorry.... The main point was to mention the durability of most controllers made by smaller company's.
With that said Please Continue:
I myself really admire what some of the smaller company's are doing with their sim racing controls. However, I am a huge advocate of the new Clubsport pedals Fanatec is going to release. They look and sound to be a lot more like the hardcore controls made by these smaller company's at a bargain price. I see it as a huge step forward.
Eventually I want to give my hard earned dollars to CST though. I really like the products I've seen them develop. Plus they are only in the next state up from me and doing business with a small business is always better then with company that doesn't have as much passion and personal pride in their products. You can't reflect your passion in your work when a CEO is breathing down the neck of your supervisor and crap starts it's roll down hill to your inbox. This is the same reason why LFS is such a great success. We get to see a undistorted end result. Small business truly powers the ideas, despite what the big dogs of the world will have you believe.
On a final thought we should all try and give these smaller company's some more business. Even if waiting or more money is a prerequisite. Whether it is just a Nixim brake mod for your existing G25 or a full out Frex SimWheel w/a hydrobrake. These are the people making the innovations, because a lot of them are us. And we know that we know best.
Jay
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Nothing wrong with a G25. It's a good set of controls. I would still hold out though. While their is nothing wrong with the G25 it's pedals are dated compared to what Fanatec is pushing to the mainstream market. Logitech will have to follow suit. When they do the G25's pedals will be even more dated.
IMO the pedals are more important then the wheel. This is the first time (it seems) that a mainstream company is going to focus on the pedals more then the norm.
I am sad to see the Clubsports are delayed. Hopefully so they can be all they are promised to be.
jay
Some laptops can have the video card replaced. Some can't.
Example:
We have a Dell Inspiron 1505 w/a radeon x1400 w/128 megs of dedicated video memory. It can be replaced, but there aren't many options..and the option i found is actually a down grade. A friend of mine has a 1501 inspiron and it's x1250 can't be replaced. It is built to the main board.
Perhaps I could help you find out what options you have? What kind of laptop is it specifically? Brand and model number please.
jay
I would order it direct from sim-gear then.
220.00 USD (includes international shipping) 179 + 40 USD
=
163.806 EUR
That's savings for Ginho
This is a page with some more locations.
http://www.sim-gear.com/1625350.html
...and of course it makes noise :rolleyes:
Good luck!
Feb 15th is the shipping date on the Fanatec web store.
I'm actually debating on getting these or building a set from the CST DIY guide. But, I think I might end up saving my time and getting the Fanatecs... we will see..
I tried a joystick shifter and it didn't really have a 'feel' to it. Kinda like it wasn't real due to the force feedback holding the stick in gear. But, if you make gate it could work.
As for buying a shifter I have used a Act-Labs RS Shifter and a Sim-Gear Lightning SST . I never owned the Act Labs RS Shifter, but I did get to borrow one for a month or so to see if I liked it. IMO the SST is way better. It weighs 3 times as much and built 3 times a sturdy. I actually have a strap attached to mine that then hooks to my chair so my desk chair doesn't swivel when racing. It is a better shifter for the money even though it costs more. Smooth action and very precise once you known how to work through the gears right. It requires you to develop a technique because of the short movements from gate to gate. Once you learn how, It shifts very, very fast. It also doesn't loose its feel. I think this is because nothing on it moves besides the shifter stick. No rattles, spring noises or anything else jikky like that. The Act Labs sounds hollow and feels like it is going to shake apart. If you get the decked out Act Labs with all the plates and the USB adapter (because the electronics aren't in the shifter) it costs around 95 Euro plus shipping. The SST is 133 Euro and shipping is about 30 Euro for each.
Frex makes on too as well as Thomas Super Wheel. But these are horribly over priced.
BTW. The least expensive I've seen is the Act Labs RS.
Hope this helps
Jay
Nope. Never used Teamspeak. For some reason I've always fell into groups that have used Ventrilo and I use it all the time. Though, I've always admired TeamSpeak a bit more for is broader client compatibilty for other operation systems.
This is about improvements for LFS. Please review the usefulness of the feature suggested for LFS.
Back on topic:
If there was a insim app to allow the private communication then maybe there is a way to log the Private chats messages at the server that is hosting it. Still though. The logs could be manipulated...
Like was mentioned before a way to turn it off and on could be cool.
Jay
It wasn't an opinion
Opinion - a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
An opinion would go more like - "I like TeamSpeak over private chatting over "
But rather his suggestion... sort of.
Suggestion - the process of inducing a thought, sensation, or action in a receptive person without using persuasion and without giving rise to reflection in the recipient.
That didn't fit the description of the original post. So I offered an alternative solution that we can provide for our selfs with the liberty's we have been provided with by the devs.
Typing in all caps (the word NEED) as apply to the Internet -
This form of typography also appears in on-line forums. It was once an inevitable byproduct of using machines with limited support for lowercase text (such as certain dumb terminals, early Apple II models), but as full support of ASCII became standard, it became solely identified with "shouting" or attention-seeking behaviour. As a result, netiquette generally discourages the use of all caps.
This word "NEED" is proposing this is what should happen and this post should have never been done in the first place. Combined with the " +-0
" could be perceived as a last attempt to show neutrality and still learn toward no solution with LFS, even though it is clearly stated before hand he should just use teamspeak and forget improvement. In my response I have inadvertently shown an example of being smart assed myself. Maybe this is why I perceived it this way out of my own weakness.
Full Circle I suppose...
And Please... why would I write that long post encouraging community development if I didn't take time to read the posts???
And yes. Server side app was my suggestion.
Good idea. But I have a better idea.
The developers created the insim interface for the sole purpose of allowing the community to implement their own ideas and server/client based functions at our own free will. I suspect they did this so they could focus more on other parts of LFS that we don't have control over. Example: Cars, Tracks, Physics, etc.....
I'm not saying you post is pointless or stupid as another poster has already tried to do with the teamspeak option. That isn't an option and requires more coordination and really was just a smart smart assed remark as far as I could tell. That or they are trying to boost the number of posts on the forums. They should have kept it to themselves....
Back on track now.... You're suggestion is far from stupid.
My point is: You have the control to write a custom insim app to do this. You could even share this with the community if you are so inclined so make it happen. All it needs is work and some tender lovin' to make you idea a reality.
Cheers.
Jay
Reason they would be better would be build quality.
Keep in mind on the RS2006 pedals you have to buy a 35 USD USB adapter too.
I borrowed a guys Act Labs shifter before I bought the SST and I agree. Compared to the SST it feels like a toy. The A1 designed Act Labs RS2006 are much better quality then the shifter. You not going to break the SST. Throw it against a brick wall. Pick it up. Plug it in and use it. J/K. Don't try that. It is tough though.
I really do like my RS2006 pedals. Though, I'm going to be trying a set of the new fanatec Clubsport Pedals soon.
More features and the same price as the RS2006 pedals. They are coming soon in Febuary for USA and UK. Looking at the specs I don't see how any other pedal can come close to them right now for the price.
If you are thinking about a shifter this is very hard to beat any price. Very tough piece of gear.
http://www.sim-gear.com/794354.html
I have owned both the DFP and the DF GT.
DF GT is just awesome for the price. It is a good base to work off of if you want to add custom pedals or a shifter in the future. I have done both in increments.
Great Wheel to get started with.
Jay
DF GT @450 Degrees. Actlabs RS2006 pedals ( made a brake damper out of one of my kid's Christmas Stocking stuffers after she threw it on the gas stove top...with the top lit.....just singed a bit) and a Sim-Gear Lightning SST H Shifter when it can be used in LFS. Other wise I modded a set of really quick slappy paddles on the back and did it without voiding the warranty. The button paddles just suck and I don't reach them well... you know what they say about guys with small hands...... You can really slap the bee-haysuse out of these like i've seen some formula drivers do before. Paddle throw is prolly about 1/8 inch or a bit more. This mod would work on the DFP as well.
Though I am about to pre-order the Fanatec Clubsport Pedals and give them a try...if they don't live up to the hype I'm going to continue saving for a full set of CST GT style pedals.
Jay
Though I am about to pre-order the Fanatec Clubsport Pedals and give them a try...if they don't live up to the hype I'm going to continue saving for a full set of CST GT style pedals.
Jay
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