You gotta use the down force characteristic of the car combined with smooth braking and decisive turning of the wheel. Keep your speed up in the corners. The fast you can be in the corner with a open wheeled car the more grip you can create with the down force. DO NOT max out your down force trying to accomplish this. You can brake earlier to allow the car to slow down smoothly and elegantly. On this car you should use left foot braking. You can even get the engine torqued up before you smoothly release the brake so the transition from brake to throttle is seamless. The Driving Force GT is an excellent wheel. The wheel does not make the driver better. It can make the task a little easier though. Make sure you are using manual transmission. Shifting points are very important as they will effect the attitude of the car under braking. You don't want to shift to fast or to slow and you DO NOT EVER want to force the shifting or rather be in a hurry to get it downshifted to the proper gear. If you feel as though you are forcing the car to do anything (shifting, cornering, braking, accelerating, whatever) you should try another approach or ask for specific advice from a more experienced driver. 1:13s are obtainable by just about anyone willing to learn. My last PB is a 1:14:06 i think w/FBM on BL1. My FBM skills have improved since then and I am sure a bit more time would result in low 1:13s. This was the first track I attempted in the FBM, but it was straight from my transition from XRG to FBM. A different method was involved between tin tops and open wheelers for me.

Lastly.... And this depends on how you operate as a person...but for me, if I am talking on ventrillo or thinking about something else I tend to zone out and become faster. The heat of the moment tends to heighten my abilitys for a short amount of time if the heat of the moment didn't just put me back in the pits. The longer I stay on the track with out restarting the faster I become. I sorta zone out and just drive. Thinking of other things most the way. If I focus too hard I become frustrated and normally become slower then normal. This is my ADHD at work. My brain has a problem working faster then the rest of me allows. Not that I have super brain powers or anything like that. Most of the time this renders me more toward the useless side of things. But, if i have another outlet (talking, tapping my foot to a rhythm, any thing that some find distracting). A way to get it out. The outlet stimulates the over active part of my brain causing the part of my brain that is driving the car to work in a closer to normal level and allows me better impulse control as well. It is like a drain plug for the extra stuff built up in your head. The extra stuff that isn't supposed to be there. If you need another example compare it to the fuel mixture in a real car that is too rich. Diverting the fuel in another direction allows more powerful, more efficient engine performance. Many of my my PB's have been set in practice mode under tire testing or 20+ lap races. Part of this is due to how I zone out after many laps and I am very easy on the car by nature and a bit by habit as well. Some people may have the exact opposite problem though. You really have to figure out which type of person you are. Driving is mostly mental is the point of my ramblings here. The way a person operates should be applied to their driving practices.

Jay

Quote from klubi-17 :

What about FBM on oval
No servers has that combination yet

That would be cool. I could get up and get a soda from the fridge and be back in time to make the next left hander. :-)

Quote from Ashley Williams :

How about....

FBM + FOX at Kyoto Ring Long? Kyoto ring national?

After a little testing...

The FBM would Be unlimited

The FOX would have a 16% air intake handycap??

How does that sound?

5, 6, 7 laps? Pit required.

A

I had a FBM server at KY2 (National) over the weekend. It was set to 7 laps and even that is a bit lengthy for most pub races. If you run the cars with R1 tires they can get pretty burnt by the end of the race. GP would be a bit much I would agree.

Quote from Zen321 :

This is a wrong program code, because this is assuming someone already programmed the three answers to a public annoucement to be those. And as I don't beleive in god (that's why I write his name without capital letters, because he is a mere concept), I don't think such a code exists.

Of course it will make more work for them. But Live For Speed is not their hobby, it is the thing that make them eat, pay their rent, go to clubs etc. You need to have strictness in your work, they have it, that is not the point. More work = more rate of return concerning time/money spent in developping their game, so this is a win-win situation for both. Business is only about win-win situations.

Greetings france from Texas!

I suppose those variables could be keyed in or maybe even acquired from a Poll?????........ Look up ^ That is if it wasn't my half lucid attempt make a programmers joke to begin with.

I'm just sayin'. Just sayin'.

Very, Very Good Job.

Quote from Zen321 :

1. No communication = risk of nothing going on.



2. Live For Speed's updates take long to come.



3. We are right to suggest the increase in the labour force.

In a few lines, here is what happends when a programmer opens their mouths too much.....

$Goal1 = 'public announcement';

.$Goal1 = 'superduper great idea';
.$Goal1 = 'but i want more then you can offer right now';
.$Gaol1 = 'your not meeting your dead lines!!';

if $Goal1 (!= In_Control)

do {

if ($client != '')
{ echo 'Public Appology that will never be good enough';}
else
{ echo 'Nothing. There is no reason to start a fire in my own own back yard';}

while } $communitry == :worried:;

It just makes more work for them to do.

Last edited by jbirdaspec, Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:15. Reason : Typo. Blah! Can't type

I've seen this thread countless times before....

Sure. Why not?

*Pass the Kool-Aid.

After a few weeks I was able to reach 1:35s and after that the road to 1:34s was long, very long. Still haven't hit 1:33s yet. 3 hundredths more to achieve that.

...to my point. I had to learn to chill out. Learn the lines I 'need' to take and drive them by instinct. I find when I am forcing speed, the less speed I receive.

Another thing. If you don't know how to tune a setup very well, DON"T MAKE ADJUSTMENTS!! Go to http://setupgrid.net, find a set. Doesn't have to be the 'World Record Set' or whatever. Get a good solid setup and drive it. Don't change it for the love of god!!! Don't constantly ask for new sets, etc.... This can and most the time does disrupt your progress you have made so far and leave you feeling disappointed. I have killed lap times by putting too much faith in a setup and not enough in me. This is a hard thing to overcome. I still fall victim to Setup Lust frequently....

Lastly. Go to practice mode or better yet start a server host so your laps can be recorded on LFSworld. Put 15 or 20 percent fuel in the car and drive the track a few times slow and work on driving your line. Observe the track. Drive it fast. Slow and Observe. Fast. Slow Observer. Fast. Rinse. Repeat....

Hope this helps.

Last edited by jbirdaspec, Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:08. Reason : Grammer Mistake.

I would like to hear some ideas thrown around about what we as LFS Community members can do to spark some more participation and enrolling new members to LFS.

I'll start:

In the Americas it seems to be mostly demo servers during prime time and while demo is great there seems to be not a lot of s1 and s2 races going on. I'm looking at getting a N. American server for ping attraction and keeping an admin around. Won't be a problem seeing as though I and a close racing buddy and I are one just about every night. FBM is a good class and seeing as how there are so many demo servers using this class on BL1 a step to other tracks would be nice change for some. I think there are a lot of drivers in the Americas that have S2, but end up in Demo for lack of S2 races going on. I also think there is a whole market of N. Americans that know nothing of LFS. Due the changing USD, LFS S2 is $15 dollars less then it was 10 or 11 months ago when I purchased it.

If anybody has experience with this or failed attempts or know of failed attempts I would like to know the details.

Jay

Quote from banshee56 :

US servers not available anymore....

Thats is a disappointment.... I had just convinced the wife to let me do it to. How is the performance on UK servers from in the states? I'm working on getting a server established for N./S. Americas. Having a low ping on the server browser is high on my list. Along with a simple racing configuration and an admin available during peak times. I'm wanting to provide a solution for our time zone as demo servers becomes all there is during our peak hours and that just gets annoying.

Franky,

I just went to the site to order a U.S. server, but it isn't an option. I also can't get most all of the order page to load in IE7, but it does work in FireFox and Chrome. I wanted to see the list of options i could use too, but that page won't load either. Can you help me out?

Jay Odom

* Edit: I tried again with IE7 and I could load the page, but I can't select United States.

Last edited by jbirdaspec, Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:17. Reason : New Information

Quote from chavm481 :

how can we get out license revoked and go back to demo?

I know a few guys that would take it off your hands if you don't need it.

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

What works best, I find, is playing with the brake force, so that when you're braking, on a flat road (I actually use the corner in question on blackwood, the harpin on FE forward, and the harpin on SO forward to test this), is making the brake force so that under braking, having a manual pedal clutch, I use engine braking alot, so I can apply maximum pedal pressure and be at the very limit of locking the wheels, so I can really concentrate on braking without having to worry about the wheels locking up.

I agree that optimizing your force will help with wheel lock and over/understeer . At the same time though with changing tire temps and wear the tires are never the same from one corning to another. I prefer to have brakes that will lock, not to the extreme of course, but still lock so you always adjust to situation and still have maximum braking ability. If you can't lock the brakes very much, you can stop to the full potential of the tires at the moment it counts. Since I clutch with my left, i blip with my right side of my right foot or towards the heal of my right foot depending on what flows well for that corner. I like blipping to help prevent wheel lock because the jar of the transmission engaging is lessened. Plus correctly done helps the cars attitude to remain true and driver initiated. I found i could make a RWD car looser in the backend resulting in better flow into corners because I didn't have to fight as much on turn in while blipping the throttle. Just my 2 cents and this is part of my driving style that might not fit another driver.

Quote from Zen321 :

That is exactly what I feel. I just can't get BL1 right, while I have much less problems with BL1R. My main problem in this track is the right hander after the long-straight. Usually my car get a snap oversteer, and understeer badly there. However, I am quite happy with my times on BL1R ^^

If you don't do this already...Try blipping the throttle with down shifts when braking for the corner. Try and match the revs of the engine when the clutch engages. Don't be in a hurry to down shift the car. In a timely manner, but smooth. This will keep you front wheel from locking when braking or/and trail braking. If the front wheels don't lock or skip as much you will have less understeer. As for the oversteer try rocking the wheel to maintain grip and be on the throttle as much as possible without running the front end out to the sand. Keep the chassis loaded with torque from the engine as often as possible, but with out grinding them. If this is something you do already you might try tuning the dampers a bit with VHPA. Don't go to far with tuning sets though.

GOOD LUCK!\\
Jay

Quote from The Moose :

......it prevented the complete lottery of touching the left hand curb.....

^^LOL. Funny because it's true.

But given some of the 'unique driving techniques'(ex: like late braking from 3 or more car lengths back) associated with any of the entry level servers I can see where the lack of layouts can help. At the same time if you apply the lottery theory to no layouts the effect can be worse when accounting for the higher rate of speed combined with 'unique driving techniques'. I would like to some other layouts though.

Catch 22......

For the most part it seems FE2r always finding new ways to wreck you and Satan lives under that bridge with the wicked physics. :evil:

Quote from SamH :

The CTRA admins still haven't agreed on a policy for after-race behaviour. We're now considering two possibilities. One: Drive around the next corner before wrecking; Two: Drive around the next corner to avoid wrecking.

What would be fun is having a set amount of time to drive back to the the pits and park it. Failure to do so would result in no points being earned.

As if that were to ever work though.

However, I do like to keep driving sometimes to stay in a flow and be focused in on the next race. In this case it would be nice not to have to dodge the cars shows that take place after the finish line. A bit hypocritical of me, but it would be nice.

Quote from SamH :

You're right, SO6R was missing out of the list. It's now added into the rotation

...and I will make a poor attempt to hold my first track record! J/K

Thanks Sam.

I looked for Race 3 of SO6R, but never could find one.

I search for Race 3, South Citry and % %
http://www.raceauthority.com/m ... ck=_SO&OnDate=%25+%25

Then did a Ctrl+F find on SO6R and nothing returned. Has this track ever been run in Race 3? We tried it out the other night on a LOTA server with XFR and its a blast.

I couldn't find a lap record for any cars besides:
XRT, XRG, XFG, RB4, FXO.

No Race 3 or SS3 cars.

It is listed in Race 3 and SS3 as a track in rotation.

I for one would really like to race this track in Race 3.

BL1_Standard
SO5_Standard
SO6_Standard
FE2_Standard
FE3_Standard
KY2_Standard
WE1_Standard
AS3_Standard
AS7_Standard
BL1R_Standard
SO5R_Standard
SO6R_Standard
FE2R_Standard
FE3R_Standard
KY2R_Standard
WE1R_Standard
AS3R_Standard
AS7R_Standard
SO4_Standard
FE4_Standard
KY3_Standard
AS4_Standard
AS5_Standard
AS6_Standard
SO4R_Standard
FE4R_Standard
KY3R_Standard
AS4R_Standard
AS5R_Standard
AS6R_Standard

Drive the XRG in Race 1. After I started driving that car, my points came faster.

Quote from evilgenius :

I so want to race the gtr cars ;D but im still on bronze.. Have to get silver quicker now because of this class

I jumped in a started racing on Race 3 in GFR class Sunday afternoon and I must say it is a lot fun. Coming from Race 1 this a big step up. I really admire how clean and respectful the other drivers are compared to Race 1. I did however late brake turn one on AS2 and was going run into a couple of drivers, so I just let off the brake and went for the ditch as to clear their path. I normally use right foot braking, but since there doesn't seem much sense using a clutch with the xfr I opted for left footing it. Kinda confused my feet. Sorry J@tko. You were one of the guys I nearly took out.

Anyways. Good fun and thanks for the addition.

Quote from master_lfs.5101 :

256MB NVIDIA GeForce 8400M GS - For Core 2 Duo Processors
that any better?

That is an ok at best graphics processor. My mother has one in her Dell laptop. I put LFS on it and it will run, but not as well as it would with one of the bargin ACER laptops. Most people still consider ACER a generic brand, but believe me their laptops have great bang for the buck. I have recommended 3 of these to people over past 6 or 7 months and they all love them. This one http://www.newegg.com/Product/ ... aspx?Item=N82E16834115486 it has a 9500m GS nvdia with 512 of dedicated memory in it. At around $1000 USD it is a real good price on a laptop with great specs and should run LFS very well. Some reviewers said that it ran COD4 very well and it that will run on this laptop, LFS would too.

Jay

You can do this without it being supported in LFS.

You can bind just about anything you want with autohotkey http://www.autohotkey.com/

For example I have one button I press on my DF GT and it shows the Damage. 6 seconds later it switches back to tire temp without me pressing another key.

These are also conditional type scripts that can be written that will for example:

Left Paddle Pressed - send num7; Wait for Left Paddle Pressed Then Send NUM7. <----Edit** I mean send Num0 there.

That isn't the scripting syntax, but rather the flow you would need to follow. you can find the syntax on autohotkeys website to make a process like that work. i have my whole logitech profiler turned off cause it's just a PITA most the time. It might take a little learning to use autohotkey, but you can do many things with it.

Example of how powerful this tool is:
At one point I want to adjust my FFB on my wheel only 1% at a time instead of 5%. I made autohotkey go out and read my lfs config file, get the current FFB setting, and add '1' to the FFB number from the config file and sending as a keystroke if I went up and subtract a one if wanted to go down. This way, when I turned the game off it would be able to call my settings back again and start adding and subtracting as I wanted.

Have fun. If you want some help finding out what your wheel buttons are in windows or want some help in general I would be willing to listen.

Last edited by jbirdaspec, Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:15. Reason : Correction

I own this wheel as well. Have had not problems at all.

You might should check that all of your power is at proper voltage. You could also have a problem with the USB port you are plugging into. Is it one of the front USB ports on your computer or one of the back port? In all case i've seen the fronts are an extension from the boards USB pin out. These could, because of the length/quality of the wires inside the computer cause a power issue and power issues can cause odd computer behavior.

Here are a few things to check on:

are you using any USB hard drives/cd drives on your computer? The self powered type can eat a ton of power from your USB bus.

Are there a lot of USB devices connect at the same time?

Are you plugging the wheel into a USB hub instead of directly to the computer?

Do you have a USB extension cable on the wheel? Note: i have had weird problems with cheap USB extension cables before.

Have you tried the wheel on another computer?

can you see the voltage monitor and if so are volts in operating range of the computer? I you need a motherboard monitor try this one it is free: Motherboard monitor 5: http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=311

I do not have those extra mice/keyboards installed on my PC with this wheel. Are you using a laptop by chance? Those can have up to 2 pointing devices installed (touchpads and/or small joystick in center of keyboard).

Lastly. If all of the above check out I would see if you can return it to the store or where ever you purchased it from for another. Remember Logitech doesn't support this wheel on the PC so if you have to return it I would try and stay away from mentioning use on a PC. Play dumb and just say it doesn't work.

Quote from Big.H :

Sorry, knows anyone this Prob???

Since 3 or 4 days i have Problems to stay on CTRA Server 3 ( Serv 1 the same )

Sometimes i can drive 1 or 2 hours in a row without any Probs, mostly in the Evening i lost the concection to the Server after a few Minutes. Mostly is Prob for that i get disconnected for a long time.

Of course, it ist not my I-net!

On other Servers, esp. Teamserver or Cupserer i have NO Problems.


Hope that anyon can help me!?


Tks

I had this exact same problem. Sam and Dustin recommended I delay or disable my results at the end of race. (command $prefs in a ctra server). I haven't had a disconnect since. If I want to see the race results I wait until everyone has finished the race and then type $results to see the race results. It has something to do with either the server or my client pc not being able to send or recieve the insim data fast enough. I also notice that the results update over and over until all drivers have finished. So this is flooding repeated insim data and is bad for me since I am so far from their servers.

Does this happen during races or only after you have completed the race?

Hope this helps.

Jay Odom

Quote from johnfromsunnymull :

Sorry all done! Just took ages for my profiler to kick in.

FIXED

Even though you have it fixed.....

I have the profiler installed, but I has it disable on startup. you can still adjust the steering degrees in the Joysticks/Game Controllers menu of the control panel. I find that having the profiler not running in the background seems to make the feedback smoother.