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Quote from amp88 :

I accidentally <WHAT> the whole Internet?

... the whole internet.

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Quote from tristancliffe :

I'm glad the FIA publish the weights. Not because of the interest for me (it actually spoils the race a bit), but because more and more people are making claims about speed based on them, and showing their ignorance in the process.

People clearly can't distinguish between one lap race and race race, or see how a driver has got more out of his car than others, even if they are lighter etc etc.

Some people ought to keep quiet until they understand F1 or cars.

Oh, and incidentally, Hamilton was the stand out driver of the session for me - and I won't say that unless I meant it!

All hail master Tristan! Noone is to speak of Motorsports without consulting with his highness first.

Edit: nah, but seriously, let's watch the race before we start calling people idiots for expressing opinions.

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Quote from Mattesa :

That's a bold claim considering they still qualified forth, and the Toyotas are suspected to be light.

In the first two qualifications of the seasons the Brawns were relatively heavy, and on pole by a good margin = supremely dominant.

Now they're in 4th and sorta mid-weight (expected) - that's not dominance by any means, so I don't see how my claim is bold. Even Button himself said that the advantage they had in the first two races is gone. We'll see tomorrow if their race-pace helps out, but unless strange things happen I don't expect a win, or dominant performance from the Brawns at all.

Quote from diablo21 :

I see everyone talking about Toyota and Red Bull... People forgetting about Brawn's already? They have the best car in race conditions..

We'll see tomorrow, but I think there is nothing left of the supremely dominant Brawn from the first 2 races.

Quote from Mustafur :

don't go by practise times, saturday practise might give a better view on things though.

If Saturday practice is an indication it's not looking good for Brawn GP

I've seen no indication that the Brawn cars have an advantage anymore... they've been consistently off the pace all weekend as far as I can tell.
It could just be that they're hiding their cards until they have to play, but no top times in practices yet.

Quote from Rappa Z :

Just another quick license question because the season is ending soon:

Do I need to complete an entire season to license up? I moved up from rookie when there was 4 weeks left in the full seasons and I'm done with the current requirments.

As long as you meet the requirements you'll move up.

As far as I know they took all the models with BC out of production.

Edit: Didn't see Dajmin's Wiki link, but yeah, no more BC models in production ;D

Every console needs its exclusive titles, and Gran Turismo is one of the best selling franchises ever (I think it's in the top 10, and most of that is Pokemon rubbish in the first place) Sony has already lost the GTA series and Final Fantasy as Playstation exclusives, and those losses hurt them like hell.

If they lose exclusivity to the Gran Turismo franchise, they lose yet another reason to buy a Playstation console for its games, and are forced even more into the "it's also a BlueRay player" marketing style.

The day Gran Turismo is released on the PC is the day Sony decides to stop producing a console.

Quote from PMD9409 :

You know you guys want to hold a community vote.

Obviously it's going to be legends road, as it's the best thing out there.

SRF and Skippy mixed class if possible. Then I have a chat with John Henry and he fixes us a track schedule that consists exclusively of Infineon layouts, Jefferson and Laguna Seca

Quote from DaveWS :

This is confusing almost EVERYONE, even commentators. I'm 100% sure this "sound" is not KERS kicking in. KERS is only noticable as a sudden increase in acceleration, nothing else, no change to engine sound.

What you are actually hearing is interference in the signal of the onboard audio feed, causing the audio speed to change or stutter momentarily.

I don't know whats causing the interference, it could be related to the electrical energy in the KERS system, I really don't know TBH.

Cars that are not equipped with KERS have this as well. It's a bit confusing as I thought it was KERS at first, but cars that do not have KERS have the same thing going on, where the revs seem to go up and down quickly at some point down a straight.

Quote from NightShift :

You have a good point about FFB Niels, but some people will always try to find the shortcut even if it's simracing and not a matter of life or death.

It's up to the developers to set up things in a way simdrivers have benefits from racing in the most realistic way, that's the only solution, and it should be particularly important for iRacing if they insist saying theirs is a training tool rather than just a game.

Not really. If developers compromise the physics in a sim specifically to seem real, as opposed to actually being accurate representations of real-life, then the sim has failed. Whether or not people choose to race the sim as a sim is up to them. If I used iRacing as a training tool, then I would not flatshift, or 'induce understeer' or whatever (not that it is a viable way to improve laptimes in the Skip Barber car...)

The role of the developer should be to make a sim that is as accurate as it can be, and not to make a sim that is as close to real-life times as possible, or a sim that looks as realistic on the onboards as possible. If an alien driver is 1 second per lap faster than the lap record in real life, it simply means that the alien is 1 second faster than real-life, regardless of the consequences that this has for the integrity of the sim. This difference is in the thousands of seconds per turn, and the differences are due to impossibly loose setups, impossibly huge amounts of track-time or impossibly big balls.

There simply is no such thing as simracing in the "most realistic" way. For the absolute fastest of the world, there is only driving in the fastest way.

Edit: Consequently, this is where LFS is truly wonderful - there are no real times or cars to compare to, so the developers have no pressure to downtune certain physics or parameters to come across as an accurate representation of real-life. The developers simply have to focus on re-creating the world and its forces as accurately as possible. It makes the sim very pure, and this is what drew me to LFS in the first place.

Quote from BlakjeKaas :

Hamilton did a good job today.
Massa didn't do a good job today.

Hamilton: some good overtakes, several dumb spins at the same spot.
Massa: some good overtakes, car stops working, no spins.

Exactly how did Hamilton do a better job?

So, do you guys potentially want a LFS league? Any ideas?

Alonso looked pretty unhappy as he walked to the weight-check. He probably has very little fuel in there, and was hoping to snatch the pole. I guess we'll find out when the car weights are announced.

5. I think that's about in line with a person just clicking random buttons.

Quote from Niels Heusinkveld :

Its a silly exploit showing just how people don't care about realism even in iRacing; they're just finding ways to go fast, just like it has always been.. If you have a grain of racing talent and want simracing instead of gaming, you'd avoid doing this pretty much!

If it's based on sound physics and the only reason it can't be done in real life is because of certain physical limitations (like you said, not being able to turn the wheel fast enough or powerful enough), I don't really see the problem. I find the ability to squeeze every last bit of performance out of a sim-car far more impressive (and satisfying) than pretending to operate under real-life limitations that don't exist in sim-racing.

Either way, I still can't see any instance where this has been used by top drivers in iRacing, not one.

Getting a bit tired of all the "this sim isn't realistic because of the way aliens drive, and if it were realistic they wouldn't be able to keep up with me" posts in the forums. It's just...

Are people seriously that naive?

Good, I hope that with these cars they'll add a multi-class series to spice things up a bit and prevent the spread of the member base

Quote from Gills4life :

Difficult situations should be just as much a part of racing. The best drivers wouldnt have spectacular crashes because they would know how to deal with it. If they would need to go incredibly slow, then so be it. I still think it would be better to finish the race at a snails pace while still trying to be the first across the finish line, than taking 2 hours to decide to abandon a race after a sudden downpour.

The thing is, those cars are not made for those conditions: the extreme wet tyres can't handle that much water, and because of the height of the water on track, the cars would start aquaplaning at any speed - the cars are just too low and not designed for standing water. So I say again, all you'd see is a bunch of cars aquaplaning into walls / other cars, essentially dumbing the drivers down to gladiators and putting them needlessly at risk of injury. Sure, their 'job' comes with risks, but those risks are normally a controllable factor: driver f*cks up, driver crashes. In those conditions that logic doesn't apply: driver drives at 50km/h in a straight line, driver aquaplanes into wall - yay entertainment!

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Whether you agree or not doesn't really matter to me. I am entitled to my own opinion.

I agree entirely, but the world would be such a boring place if nobody tried to convert anyone to their own opinion :P

Quote from Gills4life :

I think if it rains they should race. Not abandon it. It's what they are paid to do whatever the weather. So what if it makes it very hard to drive? They are meant to be the best in the world.

They're race drivers, not gladiators. I for one am not interested in seeing a bunch of guys get paid to have some spectacular crashes in undrivable conditions.

Trying not to sound like a dick here, but aren't most of you a little young to "miss" Lotus? Can't really miss what you haven't conciously experienced, or? ;p