Angry Angus Racing would like to congratulate the Western Lowland ineX Lion-Wolves ... ... ... why is everyone looking at me strangely, did I pronounce it wrong? ... for winning the AAR Run For the Cure team challenge, as the most generous LFS team. We will be in contact in the next day or so to make arrangements.
This particular race was not a strong one for us, a lot conspired against us. I was the most practiced driver (I had 3 hours of practice vs every one else's 1 hour) but found last night that I had to work today.
Two other drivers are just starting up university again and had little-to-no prepp for this round so we did not have huge expectations. We were not here for results, we just wanted to race and promote our Run For The Cure efforts.
Big thanks to NDR for a great series and for going above and beyond in promoting our fund raiser (the logos and pink and links on the tracker, the mentions in the South City round), your guys help is greatly appreciated. Speaking of which, we are not counting donations until tomorrow night so you can still win the team challenge (see first reply in this thread).
As a casual group of 2 university students (one writing a thesis and one working 2 jobs on the side), and 2 guys with full time careers (I am working 80 hours a week right now), We are honoured to be racing at this level under a sanctioning body of such professionalism. Before this, I raced with a casual Nascar 2003 league and won 8 championsips in 6 years. I would rather be a backmarker here, at the top level of sim racing, as opposed to cake walking amongst other casual racers.
Best of luck to the other teams in whatever direction they go from here and massive props to NDR. We look forward to where we go next under the NDR banner.
Two other drivers are just starting up university again and had little-to-no prepp for this round so we did not have huge expectations. We were not here for results, we just wanted to race and promote our Run For The Cure efforts.
Big thanks to NDR for a great series and for going above and beyond in promoting our fund raiser (the logos and pink and links on the tracker, the mentions in the South City round), your guys help is greatly appreciated. Speaking of which, we are not counting donations until tomorrow night so you can still win the team challenge (see first reply in this thread).
As a casual group of 2 university students (one writing a thesis and one working 2 jobs on the side), and 2 guys with full time careers (I am working 80 hours a week right now), We are honoured to be racing at this level under a sanctioning body of such professionalism. Before this, I raced with a casual Nascar 2003 league and won 8 championsips in 6 years. I would rather be a backmarker here, at the top level of sim racing, as opposed to cake walking amongst other casual racers.
Best of luck to the other teams in whatever direction they go from here and massive props to NDR. We look forward to where we go next under the NDR banner.
From my desk at work: #98 looks good, good luck everyone, thanks to NDR for a great series
and remember THINK PINK!! Support Breast cancer research (use the link in my signature to donate)
and remember THINK PINK!! Support Breast cancer research (use the link in my signature to donate)
teamName: Angry Angus Racing
car: XRR
class: GT2-Am
number: 98
drivers:
- {jmeade, Jared Meade, Canada}
- {rleb, Rejean LeBlanc, Canada}
- {wody21, Zoltán Gácsi, Hungary}
- {JayEyeBee, Jonathan Björnson, Canada}
Think Pink!!
car: XRR
class: GT2-Am
number: 98
drivers:
- {jmeade, Jared Meade, Canada}
- {rleb, Rejean LeBlanc, Canada}
- {wody21, Zoltán Gácsi, Hungary}
- {JayEyeBee, Jonathan Björnson, Canada}
Think Pink!!
Remember: Angry Angus Racing is raising money for Breast Cancer Research. If we raise $1000, I will paint my kart pink for my season karting finale on Sept 30th.
We are encouraging competition between the teams. When donating, you are given a space to put in a "Personal note to the participant", In that space we want donors to place the team that they are affiliated with. On September 30th, we will tally up the donations and the most generous team will receive a prize in the form of a made-to-order team promo/highlights video by team member Zoltan Gacsi (wody21 on Youtube).
Donations are tax-deductable, you will be e-mailed a tax slip from the foundation shortly after you make your donation (compatibility with your nations tax system is not guaranteed).
Donations can be made with AmEx, Visa or MasterCard, all donations are in Canadian funds (your credit card issuer will convert into your local currency on your statement). We are suggesting a $15 donation (~10GBP, ~12Euro), more or less is greatly appreciated.
Thank you to all who support our campaign, thank you to NDR for promoting this campaign so actively.
Donations can be made at:
http://www.RunForTheCure.com/goto/AngryAngusRacing
For more information on the team and campaign updates:
http://www.facebook.com/AngryAngusRacing
#98 - Angry Angus Racing
Round 6 skin
We will run this skin regardless of the amount raised...The kart will not go pink until we raise $1000
Round 6 skin
We will run this skin regardless of the amount raised...The kart will not go pink until we raise $1000
AAR is racing for a cure to Breast Cancer
Another announcement from Angry Angus Racing: We are encouraging some friendly competition between the teams. Teams can either mass donate as a team, or individuals can donate and place their team name under "Personal note to the participant" when donating. The most generous team will win a prize. That prize is a team promo/highlights video prepared by Zoltan (wody21) Gacsi http://www.youtube.com/user/wody21/videos
www.RunForTheCure.com/goto/AngryAngusRacing
The pink car will race on September 29th, the pink kart will (hopefully) race on September 30th
Donations will be tallied on September 30th.
Good Luck!
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I will try to keep this one shorter 
Angry Angus Racing has registered in the CIBC Run For The Cure: a fund-raiser for the Canadian Breast Cancer Foundation. We will be racing a special pink skin in the season finale of the GT2 World Series. We are asking for donations to this good cause. If we reach $1000, I will paint my kart pink for my final kart race of the season on September 30th.
Watch for the pink car at Kyoto on September 29th at www.livestream.com/pmdtv
Please donate at
www.runforthecure.com/goto/AngryAngusRacing
Some more information at
www.facebook.com/AngryAngusRacing
Angry Angus Racing has registered in the CIBC Run For The Cure: a fund-raiser for the Canadian Breast Cancer Foundation. We will be racing a special pink skin in the season finale of the GT2 World Series. We are asking for donations to this good cause. If we reach $1000, I will paint my kart pink for my final kart race of the season on September 30th.
Watch for the pink car at Kyoto on September 29th at www.livestream.com/pmdtv
Please donate at
www.runforthecure.com/goto/AngryAngusRacing
Some more information at
www.facebook.com/AngryAngusRacing
I can count out faulty hardware (I think) I ran went into the bios and ran the clock against the stopwatch and the bios clock is bang on.
I went into windows and just sitting on the desktop, it does not count seconds off evenly
it counts like 1...2...3...4...5...6.......7.8..9...10...11...12...13...14...15......16..17...18...19...20
The thing is that 1 minute in Windows still equals 1 minute on my watch just sitting on my desktop
I have run process explorer while watching the clock and see no spikes aligning with the clock getting snagged
So I ran LFS and widows clock and a stopwatch together
Windows Clock: 1:00 (as accurately as I could gauge it with it stuttering every few seconds)
LFS Clock: 59.74 ( am willing to say this is equal to windows)
Stopwatch: 1.01:85
So the windows clock slows down when LFS is running, is there any way to view the bios clock while running LFS...is that a logical diagnostic step to take?
I went into windows and just sitting on the desktop, it does not count seconds off evenly
it counts like 1...2...3...4...5...6.......7.8..9...10...11...12...13...14...15......16..17...18...19...20
The thing is that 1 minute in Windows still equals 1 minute on my watch just sitting on my desktop
I have run process explorer while watching the clock and see no spikes aligning with the clock getting snagged
So I ran LFS and widows clock and a stopwatch together
Windows Clock: 1:00 (as accurately as I could gauge it with it stuttering every few seconds)
LFS Clock: 59.74 ( am willing to say this is equal to windows)
Stopwatch: 1.01:85
So the windows clock slows down when LFS is running, is there any way to view the bios clock while running LFS...is that a logical diagnostic step to take?
I will also add that it seems to be most prevalent in LFS. I ran some stop-watch tests in Nascar 2003 Season and found 0.1-0.2seconds discrepancy on a ~1:30 lap, I immediately closed NR2003, opened LFs and did the same thing and there is a 5 second discrepancy on a ~1;30 lap
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I do not have a win 7 disc.
I ran some stop watch tests this morning and it is gross. I did this all off the same replay.
LFS Race Time
6:31.83
Stopwatch with Fraps Running: 6:32.25 (a hair off, but almost within error of me clicking the stopwatch)
Stopwatch without Fraps: 6:47.12
personally did not believe these results, i repeated the test with two different stopwatches running side by side without fraps
LFS time is still 6:31.83
Original Stopwatch: 6:51.28
New Stopwatch: 6:51.31 (within my personal error of clicking the watches)
I then started to time individual laps and found a 5 second discrepancy between my watches and the lap time recorded by LFS
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So is this something that can be dealt with in the BIOS or drivers or is it a mechanical (I know the RTS is not mechanical, but a actual flawed component on the board). If it is a BIOS setting or driver, fine, I can continue to work on this, but this is a brand new MoBo and I do not want to get into repairing the board. If settings and drivers won't fix it, I will get on the phone and get after the manufacturer for a replacement.
I ran some stop watch tests this morning and it is gross. I did this all off the same replay.
LFS Race Time
6:31.83
Stopwatch with Fraps Running: 6:32.25 (a hair off, but almost within error of me clicking the stopwatch)
Stopwatch without Fraps: 6:47.12
personally did not believe these results, i repeated the test with two different stopwatches running side by side without fraps
LFS time is still 6:31.83
Original Stopwatch: 6:51.28
New Stopwatch: 6:51.31 (within my personal error of clicking the watches)
I then started to time individual laps and found a 5 second discrepancy between my watches and the lap time recorded by LFS
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So is this something that can be dealt with in the BIOS or drivers or is it a mechanical (I know the RTS is not mechanical, but a actual flawed component on the board). If it is a BIOS setting or driver, fine, I can continue to work on this, but this is a brand new MoBo and I do not want to get into repairing the board. If settings and drivers won't fix it, I will get on the phone and get after the manufacturer for a replacement.
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Reason : fixed a typo
:shrugs: I donno, just seemed like a nice tidy way to have a space dedicated only to Windows and a space only for program installs.
Is that not a smart thing to do?
Is that not a smart thing to do?
Ok, got clockwatch working (well I figured out how to use it)
I'm just going to compile the results of several tests
Desktop Alone: Average RTC difference = 0
LFS + Fraps: Average RTC difference = -101
LFs + Fraps: Average RTC difference = -161
LFS Alone: Average RTC Difference = -1
LFS Alone: Average RTC difference = -98
LFS ALone: Average RTC difference = -73
LFS + NR2003: Average RTC Difference = -18
I also repeated the stop watch test:
LFS+Fraps
LFS Time: 5:02.56
Stopwatch: 5:04.25
Diff: ~1.75sec
LDS ALone
LFS Time: 5:01.45
Stopwatch: 5:01.45
Diff: 0.0
kinda seems all over the map and counter intutitive, it now seems better without fraps
I'm just going to compile the results of several tests
Desktop Alone: Average RTC difference = 0
LFS + Fraps: Average RTC difference = -101
LFs + Fraps: Average RTC difference = -161
LFS Alone: Average RTC Difference = -1
LFS Alone: Average RTC difference = -98
LFS ALone: Average RTC difference = -73
LFS + NR2003: Average RTC Difference = -18
I also repeated the stop watch test:
LFS+Fraps
LFS Time: 5:02.56
Stopwatch: 5:04.25
Diff: ~1.75sec
LDS ALone
LFS Time: 5:01.45
Stopwatch: 5:01.45
Diff: 0.0
kinda seems all over the map and counter intutitive, it now seems better without fraps
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CPU: Intel i7 2600k 3.4GHz Quad Core
MoBo: Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB sticks) 1600MHz DDR3
Vid Card: Sapphire Radeon HD6870 1GB PCI-E 2.1x16
Game install Drive: Plexor M3 Series PV-128M3 SATA3 SSD (128Gig - partitioned: 20GB for windows only, 108GB for game installs)
Other Disc: Western Digital 500GB Caviar Blue SATA 6GB/s HDD
Power Supply: Rosewell RP600V2-s-sl 600W
OS: Windows XP 32bit SP3 (basically threw this on for now, waiting for Win 8 to be released this fall)
All componants are new, purchased July 15th. I only re-used the case from my old computer. Latest drivers for everything were downloaded and installed on July 22nd
I do not have much software on this computer right now...will try to find something CPU intensive to test with.
MoBo: Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB sticks) 1600MHz DDR3
Vid Card: Sapphire Radeon HD6870 1GB PCI-E 2.1x16
Game install Drive: Plexor M3 Series PV-128M3 SATA3 SSD (128Gig - partitioned: 20GB for windows only, 108GB for game installs)
Other Disc: Western Digital 500GB Caviar Blue SATA 6GB/s HDD
Power Supply: Rosewell RP600V2-s-sl 600W
OS: Windows XP 32bit SP3 (basically threw this on for now, waiting for Win 8 to be released this fall)
All componants are new, purchased July 15th. I only re-used the case from my old computer. Latest drivers for everything were downloaded and installed on July 22nd
I do not have much software on this computer right now...will try to find something CPU intensive to test with.
ok, I could not get the clockwatch program to work. Basically, I ran the configuration batch first, then tried to run the clockwatch. It say press any key to continue, i would press a key and the window just disappears. I tried a few different things: starting LFS, them starting clock watch...run configuration batch, then open LFS, then clockwatch...lost of different combinations and pressed different keys to start the program, the window just closes. I'm young, I never dealt with DOS...anyway, I do not think we need it. I ran a stopwatch beside LFS
And with the stop watch, I think i have a clock issue
Without Fraps:
LFS Time 7:54.31
Stopwatch time: 7:58.38
Difference: 4 seconds
While recording with fraps
LFS Time: 7:53.84
Stopwatch time: 7:54.72
Difference: 1 second
It is worth noting that these 2 tests were conducted in 2 different races. What I did was ran a race, started the stop watch as soon as the lights went green...raced and stopped the watch as soon as I crossed the finish line and compared my stopwatch to my total race time according to LFS...I then started fraps and ran a new race, so you cant compare the times between the 2 tests, but with fraps off my CPU is cleary off by a fairly large margin (4 seconds) and is a lot better with fraps recording (1 second). I am quite confident in the stopwatch, it is my karting stopwatch, and I have never noticed that it disagrees with other people watches.
And with the stop watch, I think i have a clock issue
Without Fraps:
LFS Time 7:54.31
Stopwatch time: 7:58.38
Difference: 4 seconds
While recording with fraps
LFS Time: 7:53.84
Stopwatch time: 7:54.72
Difference: 1 second
It is worth noting that these 2 tests were conducted in 2 different races. What I did was ran a race, started the stop watch as soon as the lights went green...raced and stopped the watch as soon as I crossed the finish line and compared my stopwatch to my total race time according to LFS...I then started fraps and ran a new race, so you cant compare the times between the 2 tests, but with fraps off my CPU is cleary off by a fairly large margin (4 seconds) and is a lot better with fraps recording (1 second). I am quite confident in the stopwatch, it is my karting stopwatch, and I have never noticed that it disagrees with other people watches.
Ok both videos are ready
Video 1 (first join of server and 8 minutes of what happens there after).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdPcTCfsnJ0
Video 2 (12 or so minutes after i joined and connection really went downhill)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJSR3AA5n1w
at the very end of this video you can see someone chat to me that I am breaking the server so i thought i better get off
I do not have a very good camera, it had a cannon digital camera held in 1 hand as i drove, forgive the somewhat shakyness and crappy driving :P . I wish the text is process explorer came out better but I think you can get a jist of what is going on.
Its worth noting that this is on Windows XP SP3, i downloaded the latest MoBo drivers (including the network driver) when built the computer 2 weeks ago
Video 1 (first join of server and 8 minutes of what happens there after).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdPcTCfsnJ0
Video 2 (12 or so minutes after i joined and connection really went downhill)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJSR3AA5n1w
at the very end of this video you can see someone chat to me that I am breaking the server so i thought i better get off
I do not have a very good camera, it had a cannon digital camera held in 1 hand as i drove, forgive the somewhat shakyness and crappy driving :P . I wish the text is process explorer came out better but I think you can get a jist of what is going on.
Its worth noting that this is on Windows XP SP3, i downloaded the latest MoBo drivers (including the network driver) when built the computer 2 weeks ago
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Ok, thanks for the help, the rush is off, I found another driver for the Gt2 race today. But i have made 2 videos (uploading now).
I am running dual monitors so i have Process Explorer running on the 2nd screen and LFS on the main monitor. In the videos I show some basic gameplay of what I see as I drive with the network debug running. I then show process explorer as I race experiencing the glitching issue. I then start fraps and show gameplay and process explorer as thing seem to run smoothly. I then turn fraps off and show gameplay and process explorer again with the issues continuing.
I then stopped recording and kept driving and after 10-12 minutes of being connected to the server i started to lag out so I started to record again showing both LFS and process explorer, I did not get a chance to try fraps again as people on the server started to get mad at me.
Youtube says 15 minutes left in the upload, will post links ASAP
I am running dual monitors so i have Process Explorer running on the 2nd screen and LFS on the main monitor. In the videos I show some basic gameplay of what I see as I drive with the network debug running. I then show process explorer as I race experiencing the glitching issue. I then start fraps and show gameplay and process explorer as thing seem to run smoothly. I then turn fraps off and show gameplay and process explorer again with the issues continuing.
I then stopped recording and kept driving and after 10-12 minutes of being connected to the server i started to lag out so I started to record again showing both LFS and process explorer, I did not get a chance to try fraps again as people on the server started to get mad at me.
Youtube says 15 minutes left in the upload, will post links ASAP
wait...what...
nevermind, it worked great after the first install. I closed LFS, told everyone that everything worked great, added the skin and the setup, went back online to have all the same old issues.
What I get sometimes is that I wont actually time-out. But everyone will disappear off of the track, I will disappear to everyone else, but I can drive indefinitely in this state (until people start to complain that they think the server is bugging out because they cant shift+p ) and people realize it is me and start to yell :P
nevermind, it worked great after the first install. I closed LFS, told everyone that everything worked great, added the skin and the setup, went back online to have all the same old issues.
What I get sometimes is that I wont actually time-out. But everyone will disappear off of the track, I will disappear to everyone else, but I can drive indefinitely in this state (until people start to complain that they think the server is bugging out because they cant shift+p ) and people realize it is me and start to yell :P
Problem solved, I'm back in
I do not know what caused it, but I did a fresh, clean, virgin install of LFS onto a different drive and i just ran 20 Minutes on a server with zero issues. I do not know what bugged the other install, the only thing I did was some of Lynce's reflections and a different steering wheel texture...not saying those caused the problem, it may just have been an incomplete or corrupted install from the beginning.
I have a race today so I am not touching this fresh install, just putting 1 skin and 1 setup in and leaving it alone for now.
I do not know what caused it, but I did a fresh, clean, virgin install of LFS onto a different drive and i just ran 20 Minutes on a server with zero issues. I do not know what bugged the other install, the only thing I did was some of Lynce's reflections and a different steering wheel texture...not saying those caused the problem, it may just have been an incomplete or corrupted install from the beginning.
I have a race today so I am not touching this fresh install, just putting 1 skin and 1 setup in and leaving it alone for now.
welp...more confused...here's where I stand.
Ran LFS in single player for 15-20 minutes and everything ran beautifully. Went online and joined a server with one other person connected (he was spectating) I ran a handful of laps and had the teleporting issue as always. I left that server and joined a completely empty server and LFS ran great for 20 minutes with no issues. I left that server, minimized LFS and opened Fraps and joined a busy server (expecting to get a great example of the problems I am having to record it). I raced on the server for 15 minutes and everything ran great (so i have no video of the problem). I then decided to join the GT2WS server. I go "join specific Host, I get half way through typing in the server name and LFS crashes. I restart LFS start to type in NDR.GT2WS...crashes again...after 2-3 more crashes I get in. I run a few laps (with other people connected) and have the same old teleporting issue.
So I stop, tab out of LFS and start Fraps again. Basically I do not teleport while recording. I drove out and the car was teleporting so i started to record and everything ran fine, i stopped the recording and the issue started again, so i started to record again and the problem stopped. This was all in one drive (no shift+p/s in there). Fraps is set to record at 60FPS, the game is capped at 60FPS. I am shocked that it runs better while capturing video and writing it to disc.
In Summary
Single player = good
Empty Server = good
Occupied server = bad
Occupied server while recording to fraps = good
...to bad my hard drive is not large enough to just ran fraps in the background as I race
Ran LFS in single player for 15-20 minutes and everything ran beautifully. Went online and joined a server with one other person connected (he was spectating) I ran a handful of laps and had the teleporting issue as always. I left that server and joined a completely empty server and LFS ran great for 20 minutes with no issues. I left that server, minimized LFS and opened Fraps and joined a busy server (expecting to get a great example of the problems I am having to record it). I raced on the server for 15 minutes and everything ran great (so i have no video of the problem). I then decided to join the GT2WS server. I go "join specific Host, I get half way through typing in the server name and LFS crashes. I restart LFS start to type in NDR.GT2WS...crashes again...after 2-3 more crashes I get in. I run a few laps (with other people connected) and have the same old teleporting issue.
So I stop, tab out of LFS and start Fraps again. Basically I do not teleport while recording. I drove out and the car was teleporting so i started to record and everything ran fine, i stopped the recording and the issue started again, so i started to record again and the problem stopped. This was all in one drive (no shift+p/s in there). Fraps is set to record at 60FPS, the game is capped at 60FPS. I am shocked that it runs better while capturing video and writing it to disc.
In Summary
Single player = good
Empty Server = good
Occupied server = bad
Occupied server while recording to fraps = good
...to bad my hard drive is not large enough to just ran fraps in the background as I race
I will need to research more into RTC. I searched RTC on this forum and found a server admin who was having similar issues that I was having (car re-appearing in a new location) but his was solved after finding a CPU Spike. I ran task manager beside LFS and there are no spikes associated with my lags/warps/teleports (whatever you want to call them). My CPU never went beyond 4% usage, GPU never went beyond 15% usage. CPU temp is 35deg, GPU team is 47deg.
It really really feels like there is a disagreement between my computer and the server as to where my car really is in the world. My game thinks it is in one place, the the server steps in and says my car is really *here* and it get jumped to that location.
Its horrible, I do not know what are acceptable connection speeds for LFS, are the speed tests I posted in my OP reasonable? I do not think it is a software issue or background program hogging resources. When I tele-port, my FPS does not drop at all. I have it capped at 60FPS (it seems to help a bit) and it stays pinned at 59.9-60 the whole time. It does not change the fact that I time out from the server after a few minutes of playing, it just seems strange that the connection deteriorates over time, I re-connect and it is good then deteriorates again.
Here is recent speed test results...its really mixed
It really really feels like there is a disagreement between my computer and the server as to where my car really is in the world. My game thinks it is in one place, the the server steps in and says my car is really *here* and it get jumped to that location.
Its horrible, I do not know what are acceptable connection speeds for LFS, are the speed tests I posted in my OP reasonable? I do not think it is a software issue or background program hogging resources. When I tele-port, my FPS does not drop at all. I have it capped at 60FPS (it seems to help a bit) and it stays pinned at 59.9-60 the whole time. It does not change the fact that I time out from the server after a few minutes of playing, it just seems strange that the connection deteriorates over time, I re-connect and it is good then deteriorates again.
Here is recent speed test results...its really mixed
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I want to again apologize to whoever I lag-murdered in Q1. I have a thread up in the Technical Assistance board is someone can shed some light on my issues.
long story short, its a new computer and I time out after 10 minutes of being connected to the server. I can immediately re-join and things are decent then crap out again 10 minutes later...anyway, do not want to clog this thread with my issues, there are details in the Technical Assistance area...the old computer worked fine.
long story short, its a new computer and I time out after 10 minutes of being connected to the server. I can immediately re-join and things are decent then crap out again 10 minutes later...anyway, do not want to clog this thread with my issues, there are details in the Technical Assistance area...the old computer worked fine.
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