Ok, got clockwatch working (well I figured out how to use it)

I'm just going to compile the results of several tests

Desktop Alone: Average RTC difference = 0
LFS + Fraps: Average RTC difference = -101
LFs + Fraps: Average RTC difference = -161
LFS Alone: Average RTC Difference = -1
LFS Alone: Average RTC difference = -98
LFS ALone: Average RTC difference = -73
LFS + NR2003: Average RTC Difference = -18

I also repeated the stop watch test:
LFS+Fraps
LFS Time: 5:02.56
Stopwatch: 5:04.25
Diff: ~1.75sec

LDS ALone
LFS Time: 5:01.45
Stopwatch: 5:01.45
Diff: 0.0

kinda seems all over the map and counter intutitive, it now seems better without fraps

Last edited by jmeade, Sun, 5 Aug 2012 18:11.

CPU: Intel i7 2600k 3.4GHz Quad Core
MoBo: Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB sticks) 1600MHz DDR3
Vid Card: Sapphire Radeon HD6870 1GB PCI-E 2.1x16
Game install Drive: Plexor M3 Series PV-128M3 SATA3 SSD (128Gig - partitioned: 20GB for windows only, 108GB for game installs)
Other Disc: Western Digital 500GB Caviar Blue SATA 6GB/s HDD
Power Supply: Rosewell RP600V2-s-sl 600W

OS: Windows XP 32bit SP3 (basically threw this on for now, waiting for Win 8 to be released this fall)

All componants are new, purchased July 15th. I only re-used the case from my old computer. Latest drivers for everything were downloaded and installed on July 22nd

I do not have much software on this computer right now...will try to find something CPU intensive to test with.

ok, I could not get the clockwatch program to work. Basically, I ran the configuration batch first, then tried to run the clockwatch. It say press any key to continue, i would press a key and the window just disappears. I tried a few different things: starting LFS, them starting clock watch...run configuration batch, then open LFS, then clockwatch...lost of different combinations and pressed different keys to start the program, the window just closes. I'm young, I never dealt with DOS...anyway, I do not think we need it. I ran a stopwatch beside LFS

And with the stop watch, I think i have a clock issue

Without Fraps:
LFS Time 7:54.31
Stopwatch time: 7:58.38
Difference: 4 seconds

While recording with fraps
LFS Time: 7:53.84
Stopwatch time: 7:54.72
Difference: 1 second

It is worth noting that these 2 tests were conducted in 2 different races. What I did was ran a race, started the stop watch as soon as the lights went green...raced and stopped the watch as soon as I crossed the finish line and compared my stopwatch to my total race time according to LFS...I then started fraps and ran a new race, so you cant compare the times between the 2 tests, but with fraps off my CPU is cleary off by a fairly large margin (4 seconds) and is a lot better with fraps recording (1 second). I am quite confident in the stopwatch, it is my karting stopwatch, and I have never noticed that it disagrees with other people watches.

For Thilo

Ok both videos are ready

Video 1 (first join of server and 8 minutes of what happens there after).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdPcTCfsnJ0

Video 2 (12 or so minutes after i joined and connection really went downhill)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJSR3AA5n1w
at the very end of this video you can see someone chat to me that I am breaking the server so i thought i better get off

I do not have a very good camera, it had a cannon digital camera held in 1 hand as i drove, forgive the somewhat shakyness and crappy driving :P . I wish the text is process explorer came out better but I think you can get a jist of what is going on.

Its worth noting that this is on Windows XP SP3, i downloaded the latest MoBo drivers (including the network driver) when built the computer 2 weeks ago

Last edited by jmeade, Sat, 4 Aug 2012 16:49.

Ok, thanks for the help, the rush is off, I found another driver for the Gt2 race today. But i have made 2 videos (uploading now).

I am running dual monitors so i have Process Explorer running on the 2nd screen and LFS on the main monitor. In the videos I show some basic gameplay of what I see as I drive with the network debug running. I then show process explorer as I race experiencing the glitching issue. I then start fraps and show gameplay and process explorer as thing seem to run smoothly. I then turn fraps off and show gameplay and process explorer again with the issues continuing.

I then stopped recording and kept driving and after 10-12 minutes of being connected to the server i started to lag out so I started to record again showing both LFS and process explorer, I did not get a chance to try fraps again as people on the server started to get mad at me.

Youtube says 15 minutes left in the upload, will post links ASAP

wait...what...

nevermind, it worked great after the first install. I closed LFS, told everyone that everything worked great, added the skin and the setup, went back online to have all the same old issues.

What I get sometimes is that I wont actually time-out. But everyone will disappear off of the track, I will disappear to everyone else, but I can drive indefinitely in this state (until people start to complain that they think the server is bugging out because they cant shift+p ) and people realize it is me and start to yell :P

Problem solved, I'm back in

I do not know what caused it, but I did a fresh, clean, virgin install of LFS onto a different drive and i just ran 20 Minutes on a server with zero issues. I do not know what bugged the other install, the only thing I did was some of Lynce's reflections and a different steering wheel texture...not saying those caused the problem, it may just have been an incomplete or corrupted install from the beginning.

I have a race today so I am not touching this fresh install, just putting 1 skin and 1 setup in and leaving it alone for now.

welp...more confused...here's where I stand.

Ran LFS in single player for 15-20 minutes and everything ran beautifully. Went online and joined a server with one other person connected (he was spectating) I ran a handful of laps and had the teleporting issue as always. I left that server and joined a completely empty server and LFS ran great for 20 minutes with no issues. I left that server, minimized LFS and opened Fraps and joined a busy server (expecting to get a great example of the problems I am having to record it). I raced on the server for 15 minutes and everything ran great (so i have no video of the problem). I then decided to join the GT2WS server. I go "join specific Host, I get half way through typing in the server name and LFS crashes. I restart LFS start to type in NDR.GT2WS...crashes again...after 2-3 more crashes I get in. I run a few laps (with other people connected) and have the same old teleporting issue.

So I stop, tab out of LFS and start Fraps again. Basically I do not teleport while recording. I drove out and the car was teleporting so i started to record and everything ran fine, i stopped the recording and the issue started again, so i started to record again and the problem stopped. This was all in one drive (no shift+p/s in there). Fraps is set to record at 60FPS, the game is capped at 60FPS. I am shocked that it runs better while capturing video and writing it to disc.

In Summary
Single player = good
Empty Server = good
Occupied server = bad
Occupied server while recording to fraps = good
...to bad my hard drive is not large enough to just ran fraps in the background as I race

I will need to research more into RTC. I searched RTC on this forum and found a server admin who was having similar issues that I was having (car re-appearing in a new location) but his was solved after finding a CPU Spike. I ran task manager beside LFS and there are no spikes associated with my lags/warps/teleports (whatever you want to call them). My CPU never went beyond 4% usage, GPU never went beyond 15% usage. CPU temp is 35deg, GPU team is 47deg.

It really really feels like there is a disagreement between my computer and the server as to where my car really is in the world. My game thinks it is in one place, the the server steps in and says my car is really *here* and it get jumped to that location.

Its horrible, I do not know what are acceptable connection speeds for LFS, are the speed tests I posted in my OP reasonable? I do not think it is a software issue or background program hogging resources. When I tele-port, my FPS does not drop at all. I have it capped at 60FPS (it seems to help a bit) and it stays pinned at 59.9-60 the whole time. It does not change the fact that I time out from the server after a few minutes of playing, it just seems strange that the connection deteriorates over time, I re-connect and it is good then deteriorates again.

Here is recent speed test results...its really mixed

Last edited by jmeade, Fri, 3 Aug 2012 22:07.

I want to again apologize to whoever I lag-murdered in Q1. I have a thread up in the Technical Assistance board is someone can shed some light on my issues.

long story short, its a new computer and I time out after 10 minutes of being connected to the server. I can immediately re-join and things are decent then crap out again 10 minutes later...anyway, do not want to clog this thread with my issues, there are details in the Technical Assistance area...the old computer worked fine.

I am wondering if I am missing something. I built a new computer 2 weeks ago and since then I am having horrible connection problems in LFS. I have played some Nascar 2003 online and have had no issues (mind you there are fewer players and the server is closer to home). But in my case, I am actually lagging on my own screen. What I mean is that my car will warp to a new location as I drive down the road. I can be approaching a corner, be at the 200m braking marker than instantly tele-port to being at the 100M marker...causing me to miss my braking point and gravel...sky...road...sky...road...wall (if you know what I mean). I have also had issues with timing out after generally ~10minutes of being connected to a server. It will have the tele-port issue constantly but times out after roughly 10 minutes. I will re-connect and have a decent connection until I time out again after 10 minutes.

I am perplexed and think because other games play well online that is is a LFS specific thing (the tele-porting does not occur in single player, almost suggests its a connection thing). I really do not know. Windows firewall and antivirus is disabled when on LFS, and I run FSAutoStart before playing to kill various processes and programs like messeger.

The computer:
Intel i7 2600K 3.4GHz
8GB Ram
Radeon HD 6870 1GB

SpeedTest results
Halifax (~250km from home)
DL=20.17Mb/s
Ul=8.22Mb/s

Berlin (far away from Eastern Canada :P )
DL=20.08
UL=4.03

everything ran great on the old computer (at a lower frame-rate), going to the new computer, everything looks pretty but i can no longer stay connected to a server, it should be mentioned that the tele-porting was horrible when running at ~175FPS, I capped the game to 60FPS and it made it better, if that means anything

Quote from rockclan :

I unlocked the FOX!!!! I let LFS run idle for days.

Does unlocking a faster car mean that you can go nowhere faster?

Team Name: Angry Angus Racing
Server (Y/N): No

Type: Race
Team info: We have just finished our 1st year of LFS competition. We have competed in the GT2 World Series, Racing Minds 16 Hour (3rd in NGT) and the 2012 Masters of Endurance 24 Hours of Aston. We are a group of 4 casual amateurs who are looking to move up the speed charts a bit. We pride ourselves on clean racing, consistent driving and efficient race planning.

Website: http://www.facebook.com/AngryAngusRacing
Are you willing to accept members immediately or will you test drivers?: We will get to know you before we throw you into a big race, but we do not have a formal testing procedure.
Demo/S1/S2?: S2

Extra Info
Teamtag: [AAR] name can be however you want
Best way to contact us: facebook group as linked above as our website or personal message to me on this forum
What experience of drivers: lets say intermediate, not expecting to attract any aliens, but would like to get some experience and knowledge in our corner to raise our results.

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Angry Angus Racing: A Somewhat Legitimate Racing Team Since 2005
Specializing in: 4 cycle Go-Karts, 1:18th scale RC Race Cars; Simulated Stock Cars, Touring Cars and Open Wheel Cars; Engineering, Design, Fabrication of components; Sponsorship planning and Livery Design; Driver Coaching.

Other than also being Canadian, I have nothing to contribute to this thread

teamName: Angry Angus Racing
car: XRR
class: GT2-Am
number: 98
drivers:
- {jmeade, Jared Meade, Canada}
- {rleb, Rejean LeBlanc, Canada}
- {wody21, Zoltán Gácsi, Hungary}
- {JayEyeBee, Jonathan Björnson, Canada}

Quote from PMD9409 :

While I completely agree a ladder system would be great, its hard to build one for endurance
Before it was GTAL >IGTC>MoE. And also before, we had many many more teams. Now for LFSCART we do have a much similar thing but it is a single driver championship. Its just something to think about.

I wish people could just come out and discuss like this. The more people we would have do it would make Deko and others know exactly what drivers, managers, or teams want and then incorporate that into future series.

I agree that is is hard for endurance, for a full endurance field, you need at least 60 drivers, and if you wanted a top series and lower series like I am proposing, you need at least 120 drivers. But I think it can work in a single driver environment. The problem with the current LFS CART Light format as a feeder series is that it is full of top pros and the upcoming drivers get scared off or don't get through Pre-Qualifying (I think round 1 this year had close to 60 guys qualifying for 30 starting spots, I know it dropped off at the end, I think guys got scared off...personally, I was the same, I really felt I had very little chance of making the race if 60 guys kept showing up).

And it does not have to LFSCART and LFSCART Light, it can be something new and original. But I think a premier series and a feeder series would help get drivers involved and teams do not have to get in the way. If the NDR guys went into a dark room and had a massive argument to determine their top ~28 invite only drivers regardless of what team drivers are on, if 12 Core guys get chosen and only 2 GenR guys get in...so be it. People are invited and race as individuals. If *lets say* Phil and Isaac choose to run Western Wolves skins and share setups and data before the race, that is their private business.

The lower series can draw in lesser known drivers, as they are not scared off by the prospect of racing against the uber-pros. They have an environemnt to get their feet wet in a well organized series. I spent some time this winter with a different league just for the added seat time and it was a waste of time, the events were poorly coordinated and there were not penalties handed to dangerous drivers so it was just an exercise of not getting wrecked by the lappers who were 10 seconds off the pace. The lower series still has some meaning as the top few get to race with the "big boys" in the big broadcast race amongst highly respected drivers.

This does not have to LFSCART/LFSCART Light either, it can be pros in TBO and noobs in STD...it can be pros in STD's noobs in UF1, or a GT1 and GT2 series...this is a topic I can not discuss as I am new to the community, I do not what has been done and am still learning the GT2's and have yet to run a proper GT1 series, but I think single driver series will help pull in new independent drivers and help get them noticed by teams and a feeder series under a top series will give meaning to both series. The top series is very prestigious and invite only, the lower series is racing for the right to be invited.

I am of the same opinion of Framaris. As the manager of a new team with new drivers, I would like to see some style of ladder system, where you have one big prestigious series and a feeder series for lesser drivers to gain experience and prove themselves all under one umbrella.

I think LFSCART and LFSCART Light are a good platform to do this. LFSCART is the big prestigious series with longer races, broadcast, the whole 9 yards and LFS CART Light is a feeder series (think F1 and GP2).

Maybe run LFSCART as an invite-only series of the top drivers and have a deticated roster of...lets say...28 drivers. The other 2 spots and any no-shows can be filled by the top Light drivers. Maybe Light runs on the same track the week before the LFSCART race. So if you finish in the top 2 of the Light race at Blackwood, you get to race the next weekend in the big series at Blackwood (and 3-4-5th from the light race would be on a waiting list to fill no-shows)

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As far as other series, I do not really have an opinion. My team is relatively new and has yet to run a proper GT1 series, we are still learning the GT2's and we have not entered anything using STD or TBO but would consiter them.

same day as the 6 hour GT2WS race...thats a lot of driving

I am not looking to wait on parts being released, I would like to do this sooner rather than later. Also, I am not 100% married to AMD graphics but I have never used Nividia and AMD has never given me problems.

Any opinions on the Sapphire 100314-3L Radeon HD6870



I do not follow hardware trends very closely

Ok, with some research I have come to the same conclusion.

I am looking into replacing the system. I will re-use the case, CD drives, monitor, network card, sound card ( always use a logitech head set, may not even bother with it), maybe the power supply (its 450W...may go for more)

Lets say the budget is $1000, I would like to try dual monitors. I am not doing 3D modelling or HD video editing. I just play LFS and browse the net. I would like LFS to run at medium-High graphics with rock solid FPS (willing to sacrifice image qualify in exchange for FPS) on an open configuration in heavy traffic.

I am thinking of this:
MoBo: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/P ... aspx?Item=N82E16813131831
CPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/P ... aspx?Item=N82E16819115071
Ram: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/P ... aspx?Item=N82E16820233185

I would like to try a small-ish (~125GB) SSD for the OS and game installs, and the a big 'ol conventional drive for mass storage.
SSD: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/P ... amp;Page=2#scrollFullInfo

For vid card, I was thinking of this: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/P ... =ASUS%20HD7770-DC-1GD5-V2 but it is getting poor reliability reviews so I may find something similar...any suggestions

I am not required to purchase from NewEgg, i just wanted a good informative site with Canadian prices. I plan to choose the components then start to price compare from supplier vs supplier.

This will be my first time I have built my own computer. I have always used home built computers, but they were built by family members. I am confident I can do it, I have put computers together before. I just have never selected parts before.

I guess I am wondering where my bottle neck is with my system. It was built in 2007 and I am trying to make up my mind if I want to build a new computer or upgrade what I have.

What I currently have:

Windows XP Pro SP2
Dual Core Pentium 4 3.4GHZ
Radeon X1550 512Mb
2Gb Ram

LFS is running:
1280x720x16
Low graphics (lowest LOD and compressed textured, no detail in mirror)

With this setup I am running LFS relatively stable but in large packs or on open configs it gets iffy. I run LFS on low graphics I have the occasional FPS scare where things will drop to 15-25FPS for a few seconds where the load gets really heavy. I am trying to make up my mind if I want to just throw in some ram and maybe a video card or if I should go for a MoBo/CPU/SSD/Vid card (basically build a new system using my existing case and CD drives/network card/sound card)...or go whole hog and go all new.

I know this is tough without specifying a budget, but I mainly want to know where the bottle neck is. Is it just a lack of RAM, or video card, or is the whole CPU (which would most likely lead to a new MoBo) no longer adequate. Basically I am not doing heavy 3D modelling or video editing, I want to play LFS at medium-to-high graphics settings with confidence in a pack and/or on a open configuration. Can throwing some RAM at this computer bring me up to snuff, or do I need to start to look into replacing a lot of components?

Last edited by jmeade, Fri, 13 Jul 2012 21:51. Reason : CPU is 3.4GHZ not 3.7 as I previously stated...my bad

98 is good

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Last edited by jmeade, Mon, 2 Jul 2012 21:20. Reason : no longer relevant...when Chris grows up, I think he wants to be a potato

teamName: Angry Angus Racing
car: XRR
class: GT2-Am
number: 98
drivers:
- {jmeade, Jared Meade, Canada}
- {rleb, Rejean LeBlanc, Canada}
- {wody21, Zoltán Gácsi, Hungary}
- {JayEyeBee, Jonathan Björnson, Canada}