George, your enthusiasm for Richard's achievements is great, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that Richard might prefer, in the current context, to be responded to based on what he has said -- in this thread -- rather than what he has done at the wheel.
(Richard, feel free to correct if I have guessed wrong.)
Hey, George.
Great minds think alike, eh?
Gimpster, you and Gunn seem to feel very strongly about your side of this issue. What would you say to a system that banned drivers who were in Becky's group of high yellows:laps ratios, the people who seem to be taking the piss from a racing point of view?
No big deal, I'm happy to agree to disagree on this. I would point out that you surely wouldn't have put "much thought" into it if you weren't in the least interested in the issue. I would also suggest that under many logical world views the human brain is but another automated system so I think there is room to disagree with your core premise. But you have obviously drawn a firm conclusion and more power to you.
That might do it; would be great if that's how it works out.
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I see you've played online at Bristol in NR2003 then!
No, but you're allowed to take a digital photograph of them.
Guys, what's the deal with homosexuality functioning as the nastiest insult you can throw at "skin thieves"? This is not particularly cool. Somewhere out there some LFS player who is actually gay is feeling most unwelcome because of all this. Is this what you want to achieve?
OK, James, I can see you're a fan. The problem for me is finding the line between "just racing" and blatantly punting your rival off whenever it's convenient. I see a lot of the latter in the BTCC. What do you think?
I don't quite know what to think about the BTCC. It strikes me as the kind of series that I would have enjoyed watching when I knew nothing about motorsport: i.e., there is lots of door-banging action. But the more subtleties of the sport that I learn about, the less appealing I find BTCC races.
I know that if I was in one of those cars, I would be freaking-out angry at the end of every race. Much of the contact seems really gratuitous. If you really want to make the series a last-man standing smashup derby, then for god's sake just be honest and say so. But pretending that it's a serious race with respect for other drivers is not fooling anyone.
I know that if I was in one of those cars, I would be freaking-out angry at the end of every race. Much of the contact seems really gratuitous. If you really want to make the series a last-man standing smashup derby, then for god's sake just be honest and say so. But pretending that it's a serious race with respect for other drivers is not fooling anyone.
Hey, Al, interesting poll idea.
Sorry to be a nit, but it seems strange to me that something like NFS gets a whole category, but a number of very distinct games get lumped in under "nascar". My point being that NR2003 and the other Papyrus games were very respectable sims, whereas a lot of Nascar games by EA and other companies were not.
Also, if NFS is in the list, surely the old drunken standby "Gran Turismo" deserves to be in the list?
Cheers.
(For myself, the answers are RBR and GPL, but I am stretching the definition of "regularly". I used to play NR2003 a lot but LFS has replaced it in my affections.)
Sorry to be a nit, but it seems strange to me that something like NFS gets a whole category, but a number of very distinct games get lumped in under "nascar". My point being that NR2003 and the other Papyrus games were very respectable sims, whereas a lot of Nascar games by EA and other companies were not.
Also, if NFS is in the list, surely the old drunken standby "Gran Turismo" deserves to be in the list?
Cheers.
(For myself, the answers are RBR and GPL, but I am stretching the definition of "regularly". I used to play NR2003 a lot but LFS has replaced it in my affections.)
Richard, thanks a lot for your thoughts. Very illuminating.
I certainly agree that IRacing will be an interesting one to watch.
Cheers.
OK, thanks for the reply.
I'm not trying to pick a fight here, it's an honest question: do you have a background in computing / AI / cognitive science? I seem to remember you're a psychologist, is that correct? I ask because I'm surprised by the strength of your conviction on this point and I want to know how to interpret it.
Also, a hypothetical: let's say that an appropriately trained and incredibly altruistic person was willing to watch every LFS race on your favourite server and to hand out penalties, live, for any infractions such as unsafe overtaking. Let's say this person did the job as well as anyone could hope to, and that they were completely unbiased. Would you want them watching your races or not? In other words, is some of your antipathy towards an automated system because you wouldn't particularly want a human system either?
Cheers.
Thanks, George. I'm aware of Richard's background; that's pretty much why I'm asking the question.
Hi, Gunn.
For the record, I tend to agree with you in practice, when looking at current race sims and penalty systems. But don't you think you're overstating the case a bit here? I'm aware of some problems in AI that are really hard, but reasonably reliable detection of the miscreant in a collision just doesn't seem to be an overwhelmingly hard problem. Dajmin's sketch (see above) seems like a good start.
It's important to remember, I think, that an AI system designed to act like a race steward doesn't need to be absolutely perfect, it just needs to be at least as good as a human being at making judgements. Real race stewards make mistakes too.
Hi, Richard.
You make some logical, if tough, points in your posts. I see what you're saying: just because LFS is possibly the best of a bad bunch, that doesn't mean it's flawless. But I'm curious about which driving sims you currently enjoy putting in time with. For me it's LFS. Do you have a current favourite driving sim or are you avoiding playing any of them while waiting for a better one to be written?
Cheers.
Good discussion in this thread.
Audio ambience seems unrealistic as several have already said, although it would be great in a replay.
If there were ways to enrich the visual character of tracks without sacrificing frame rate, that would be nice too. But if I have to choose between losing 10 fps and having a few more people in the stands, well...
And Kev, where are you?
I think I see a great opportunity for you here.
Audio ambience seems unrealistic as several have already said, although it would be great in a replay.
If there were ways to enrich the visual character of tracks without sacrificing frame rate, that would be nice too. But if I have to choose between losing 10 fps and having a few more people in the stands, well...
And Kev, where are you?
I think I see a great opportunity for you here.
I feel like a complete geek in posting this, but for the benefit of anyone who wants to improve their use of commas, here's a great online guide by the late Larry Trask:
http://www.cogs.susx.ac.uk/doc/punctuation/node00.html
http://www.cogs.susx.ac.uk/doc/punctuation/node00.html
Wheel4hummer, as far as US politics go, I have no dog in that fight. But you should know that a post like yours is pretty offensive and only serves to make you look stupid.
Very nice, Madman. The Count doesn't get enough respect these days.
Bought a place in Leeds for £77K in 2001, sold it just now for £155K. I think that's now about average for the area. That's about $300K US, 227K in euros, or $380K Australian.
Bad news is, the new place we're buying down south is £265K. No new steering wheels for me for some time.
Bad news is, the new place we're buying down south is £265K. No new steering wheels for me for some time.
Go Herki!
Feel better now?
And come on guys, Sato is not the psychotic wrecker he's made out to be. He's a good guy who's had a tough couple of seasons. Biscuits on me if he takes anyone out in T1.
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It would indeed. When was it last raced on? Got a link? (Or I can go look for myself, I am admittedly just being lazy.)
Hey, Quicksilver, you probably only meant this as a joke, but: I think British sport would be better served by dropping the "unlucky" excuse. Henman has not been unlucky all these years. The England cricket team were not unlucky during the Ashes. It is not luck that has seen the English football team lose so many penalty shootouts. I could go on...
Hamilton looks like he might be very talented and he's certainly hard-working. They seem like good reasons to be optimistic for him.
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