Danny, WTF is it with you and your urinary fascination?
On second thoughts don't answer that.
Oh, and while I'm here complaining, could the OP and some others please learn to spell "braking"? If it was an obscure word I'd understand and wouldn't call you on it, but to be a fan of a driving sim like LFS and not know how to spell the name of one of the pedals seems... odd to me.
Death's too good for him. Make him drive 500 laps of the oval in a UF1.
Does a drift track have a lot of mirrored windows nearby so you can park your car and do that thing with the reversed decals?
Just asking, honest.
Just asking, honest.
Any of you flight sim geeks (I mean that nicely) got any comments on FlightGear?
Cheers.
Cheers.
Nice video, sounds like you enjoyed it. Would you recommend the company to others? I've considered doing something like this but I suspect my money might be better spent on some VPP pedals. 
Good thinking AJP. Just turn the sound down for the last few laps, OK? JA gets pretty insufferable.
Congrats to de la Rosa, also. He's a good clean driver who deserves some success.
Absolutely.
Nice thread guys, way to make me feel proud of my 1:10.
Stand warned, BTCC drivers: Ayrton thinks you're taking it too far, OK?
(This is a bit like being told that Charles Manson thinks you're a bit of a nutter.)Interesting to see the mix of opinions in this thread. I can't deny that the BTCC is exciting to watch, but just about every race I see somebody pull something (i.e., a move with contact) where I'd be really angry if I was on the receiving end of it. I always wonder why the commentators / interviewers don't call them on their hypocrisy either: a guy like Plato complaining that Neal runs into people too often is pretty rich.
Perhaps we could buy Mark Webber an S2 licence, he needs cheering up.
OK, I see your point, but wouldn't it be good if there was a more level playing field between real clutch pedal users and autoclutch users?
+1. At the moment people using a clutch pedal are made to feel like masochists. If there was no temptation to use auto-clutch, things could get interesting.
Oh come on, don't flatter yourselves. It's just a single basic yellow warning light.
The second guy you have there would be a good Nascar commentator, Madman. "Count the laps... one lap! Two laps! Three..." (I could go on.)
Do you think your sarcastic tone is adding anything here? Please don't treat me like a donkey just because I happened to offer a little support to some oval people.
I too look to the left and right when passing and being passed. I don't use chase view, I use cockpit view and lately wheels view.
It's great that the look left / right feature is available, and it certainly helps. However, it clearly doesn't make up for the peripheral vision you lose because instead of being in a car you're staring at a small monitor from a couple of feet away. Like you, I'm prepared to sacrifice that peripheral vision for the greater immersion and accuracy of a view that places the camera inside the car. My point was simply that I can understand somebody who opted for a compromise in the other direction, i.e., chase view.
I hear what you're saying. This has been my experience as well. I was just pointing out that there was potentially some empirical support for the fans of chase view. I suspect we both agree that there's some sort of tradeoff between precision in the forward direction and awareness of what's going on to the side.
Good luck with that!
+1, let them eat mirrors.
I am slightly surprised to find myself coming to the defence of Crazy Harry and co., but I think people have to be careful when claiming that cockpit view is the be-all and end-all of realism. Why is cockpit view realistic? Because the camera position in the sim is where the driver's eyes would be in a car. OK, cool. That's one aspect of realism. But in terms of peripheral vision, cockpit view on most reasonable FOV settings loses a lot of realism, because it makes the sim driver unaware of what's going on to either side, whereas the real car driver would be perfectly aware of the car coming up beside him.
A lot of virtual reality research (I could dig up some references if anyone cares) suggests that putting the camera behind the user's avatar leads to more effective control and movement in the virtual world, than does putting the camera at eye position "inside" the user's avatar. This is assuming display devices that cover less than 100 degrees of the field of vision. I'm not thrilled about this finding, but it seems real and reproducible.
Cockpit view would be close to perfect if you had about 5 monitors wrapped around your driving position. I can completely understand if people using only one monitor want to make a compromise between a realistic camera position and situational awareness. Chase view is one such compromise, and if people are going to use that view why should they be deprived of a mirror?
(In case anyone cares, I don't use chase view. Until recently I used cockpit view, and I'd still prefer to use cockpit view, but I was blown away by how many more FPS my crappy computer gets when I use the "wheels" view, so I am stuck with that for now.)
I am slightly surprised to find myself coming to the defence of Crazy Harry and co., but I think people have to be careful when claiming that cockpit view is the be-all and end-all of realism. Why is cockpit view realistic? Because the camera position in the sim is where the driver's eyes would be in a car. OK, cool. That's one aspect of realism. But in terms of peripheral vision, cockpit view on most reasonable FOV settings loses a lot of realism, because it makes the sim driver unaware of what's going on to either side, whereas the real car driver would be perfectly aware of the car coming up beside him.
A lot of virtual reality research (I could dig up some references if anyone cares) suggests that putting the camera behind the user's avatar leads to more effective control and movement in the virtual world, than does putting the camera at eye position "inside" the user's avatar. This is assuming display devices that cover less than 100 degrees of the field of vision. I'm not thrilled about this finding, but it seems real and reproducible.
Cockpit view would be close to perfect if you had about 5 monitors wrapped around your driving position. I can completely understand if people using only one monitor want to make a compromise between a realistic camera position and situational awareness. Chase view is one such compromise, and if people are going to use that view why should they be deprived of a mirror?
(In case anyone cares, I don't use chase view. Until recently I used cockpit view, and I'd still prefer to use cockpit view, but I was blown away by how many more FPS my crappy computer gets when I use the "wheels" view, so I am stuck with that for now.)
Picking on the new guy for his spelling, grammar, and attitude? OK, fine. But please people, can we get our priorities right?
This monster posted in Comic Sans, the most evil font in the world! How can this crime go unpunished!?
This monster posted in Comic Sans, the most evil font in the world! How can this crime go unpunished!?
Thanks for the info, Albieg, I wasn't aware of some of that stuff. I stand corrected.
Vain, and Shotglass, thanks for the clarification on this.
Ring simulation suggestion:
1) get into an LX-6.
2) set one AI car to drive an LX-4.
3) choose a 50 lap race at Fern Bay Black, reversed.
4) drink about 8 shots of Jaegermeister.
5) off you go, very similar experience to the Ring!
Enjoy!
PS: Becky, I am pretty sure that Nurburg and Nuremberg are different places. Could a German help out please? Apologies for the lack of umlauts, I don't know how to get them in this text editor.
1) get into an LX-6.
2) set one AI car to drive an LX-4.
3) choose a 50 lap race at Fern Bay Black, reversed.
4) drink about 8 shots of Jaegermeister.
5) off you go, very similar experience to the Ring!
Enjoy!
PS: Becky, I am pretty sure that Nurburg and Nuremberg are different places. Could a German help out please? Apologies for the lack of umlauts, I don't know how to get them in this text editor.
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