Ring simulation suggestion:
1) get into an LX-6.
2) set one AI car to drive an LX-4.
3) choose a 50 lap race at Fern Bay Black, reversed.
4) drink about 8 shots of Jaegermeister.
5) off you go, very similar experience to the Ring!
Enjoy!
PS: Becky, I am pretty sure that Nurburg and Nuremberg are different places. Could a German help out please? Apologies for the lack of umlauts, I don't know how to get them in this text editor.
1) get into an LX-6.
2) set one AI car to drive an LX-4.
3) choose a 50 lap race at Fern Bay Black, reversed.
4) drink about 8 shots of Jaegermeister.
5) off you go, very similar experience to the Ring!
Enjoy!
PS: Becky, I am pretty sure that Nurburg and Nuremberg are different places. Could a German help out please? Apologies for the lack of umlauts, I don't know how to get them in this text editor.
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I think I was at about the same time after that many laps, Captain, if it makes you feel any better.
My god, it's like a David Lynch movie.
Just think, if that selfish jerk Warren Buffett hadn't donated his 35 billion dollars to help fight poverty in Africa, he could have bought S2 licences for about 800 million people!
I am, of course, very much only kidding here. I think Buffett's gesture is absolutely awesome and the most impressive bit of philanthropy in history.
I am, of course, very much only kidding here. I think Buffett's gesture is absolutely awesome and the most impressive bit of philanthropy in history.
Don't get me wrong, Traxxion, I'm not saying it's impossible for well-trained guys to ride the Tour without taking drugs. I am just saying that in a paranoid and hyper-competitive environment it is very easy to see how they are tempted to take them, because they will often believe (possibly correctly) that their biggest rival is taking them and that therefore they'll be left behind if they don't.
I honestly see drugs in cycling (other sports too, but especially cycling) as a bit like the apple tree in the Garden of Eden. Do what you want, but just don't eat the apple. Yeah, OK. So what's going to happen?
Also, a slight tangent, but while I'm at it: the word "drugs" is such an emotively charged term. What bothers me about this whole issue is that it's often based on an imperfect understanding of physiology and human biology in general. If a guy eats a steak to get iron into his body that's OK, but if he takes an iron supplement that's bad? This is just ignorance. Or, to take my favourite hypocritical example, I remember seeing an interview with the coach of the Australian athletics team at the last Commonwealth Games, who proudly boasted of how many of his athletes were sleeping in hyperbaric chambers in order to mimic the effects of living at altitude and thus stimulate their bodies to produce more haemoglobin. OK, a bit extreme but within the rules I suppose. And yet if an athlete from a poorer country used an equivalent method of doping himself with stored supplies of his own blood in order to up his haemoglobin count, this would be condemned as cheating. Why, I don't know -- the line seems to be drawn at injecting things. But surely you can see this is arbitrary?
Again, please don't take this the wrong way. I think it's very sad how many cyclists have had terrible health problems and even died over the years due to the stuff they felt compelled to take. Marco Pantani was a prominent and tragic case. But I do feel that the venom directed at these guys when they're discovered to have taken something is misplaced. We should be looking at ourselves and the entire televised sport industry in order to root out the real source of the problem, not blaming the poor guys at the sharp end.
I honestly see drugs in cycling (other sports too, but especially cycling) as a bit like the apple tree in the Garden of Eden. Do what you want, but just don't eat the apple. Yeah, OK. So what's going to happen?
Also, a slight tangent, but while I'm at it: the word "drugs" is such an emotively charged term. What bothers me about this whole issue is that it's often based on an imperfect understanding of physiology and human biology in general. If a guy eats a steak to get iron into his body that's OK, but if he takes an iron supplement that's bad? This is just ignorance. Or, to take my favourite hypocritical example, I remember seeing an interview with the coach of the Australian athletics team at the last Commonwealth Games, who proudly boasted of how many of his athletes were sleeping in hyperbaric chambers in order to mimic the effects of living at altitude and thus stimulate their bodies to produce more haemoglobin. OK, a bit extreme but within the rules I suppose. And yet if an athlete from a poorer country used an equivalent method of doping himself with stored supplies of his own blood in order to up his haemoglobin count, this would be condemned as cheating. Why, I don't know -- the line seems to be drawn at injecting things. But surely you can see this is arbitrary?
Again, please don't take this the wrong way. I think it's very sad how many cyclists have had terrible health problems and even died over the years due to the stuff they felt compelled to take. Marco Pantani was a prominent and tragic case. But I do feel that the venom directed at these guys when they're discovered to have taken something is misplaced. We should be looking at ourselves and the entire televised sport industry in order to root out the real source of the problem, not blaming the poor guys at the sharp end.
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You guys seem quick to condemn. Yes, sure, we want an equal playing field in sports, but still: if I had to sit on a bike seat for 3 weeks and pedal up mountains, I would be taking anything and everything I could get my hands on just to get through the pain. It seems that as a sporting audience, we set these guys up: we demand that they do the near impossible, and then when they cross an arbitrary line in the sand in terms of inputs to their body, we brand them a cheat and a fraud.
What's all this shouting, we'll have no trouble here.
Janezki, if two people seem about equally deserving, it might be a nice gesture to give the S2 licence to whoever comes from a country where the £24 represents the most money in local terms. It seems to me that demo users in, say, Western Europe or North America should usually be able to scrape together that much money if they really wanted the game. But there are parts of the world where that really is a reasonable chunk of cash.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
Fair enough -- I have no idea how hard / easy it would be for Victor to record such things. Just a speculative thought about how one might reward the right sort of demo driver. Don't worry though, Zeugnimod, I wasn't proposing that we just trust the little monsters on this.
What about the demo player who's driven at least 5000 miles with the least number of kick / ban votes against them per mile?
If there's more than one person who's never had a kick / ban vote, then whoever's driven the furthest.
Clean driving and dedication rewarded.
If there's more than one person who's never had a kick / ban vote, then whoever's driven the furthest.
Clean driving and dedication rewarded.
Vaillant, I think you're engaging in semantics about the term "artificial". It's clear that Filur means to point out the difference between FFB with a simplistic conceptual model behind it, and FFB like that in LFS, where the model behind the forces you feel at the wheel is a physically plausible model.
It's a bit like the difference between Aristotle's and Newton's theories of gravity.
It's a bit like the difference between Aristotle's and Newton's theories of gravity.
Nice one Danny, you made a post without any references to urinating, I am impressed.
I am no great Champ car fan, but as Wark is saying, if you agree with the above assessment then Champ car racing (or racing in a similar spec unlicensed car) looks ideal for LFS.
I take it Champ cars are a bit more powerful than the current Formula V8 then? Any other major differences from the FV8 besides horsepower?
I am sure this is true, but don't be too hard on yourself: the fact that you managed to spin it once suggests you weren't completely in Mr Magoo mode.
You guys! Great in the sense that Andy Warhol made great films or what?
To the original poster -- very close finish indeed. As I said, I don't know the answer to the problem, but is there anyone out there who knows exactly what bit of the chequered pattern counts as the finish line in LFS?
Possibly only Scavier know for sure. Guess we could do some low speed experiments to see exactly when a race finish is registered as you drive across the line.
To the original poster -- very close finish indeed. As I said, I don't know the answer to the problem, but is there anyone out there who knows exactly what bit of the chequered pattern counts as the finish line in LFS?
Possibly only Scavier know for sure. Guess we could do some low speed experiments to see exactly when a race finish is registered as you drive across the line.
OK, apologies for hijack, and for dragging Kev into further off-topic activities. In an effort to redeem myself, congratulations to the CRC for getting back on track.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Please post shots of you playing said Warwick with jazz face on then. Come on, we can take it.
Is that the Warwick of Justice? Are you sure? It bears a creepy resemblance to the Warwick of Great Vengeance and Furious Anger.
I can't begin to express my disdain for the clowns with the racist server name spotted by the OP.
But in some of the discussion that has followed, I think there's a confusion about what counts as protected speech. It's true that these idiots can name their server whatever they want, but if Scavier decide to implement a filter on the master server and exclude them, nobody's rights are being stepped on here. The master server list in LFS is not a public forum, it's a private service being offered by three guys to their paying customers.
It's laudable that some of you want to stick up for principles of free speech here despite your distaste for what these idiots are choosing to say, but this is not a battle that you have to take on: their right to appear on the master server list with their tasteless name is about the same as the right of a repeated wrecker to be allowed back into a server, i.e., they have no relevant rights at all.
But in some of the discussion that has followed, I think there's a confusion about what counts as protected speech. It's true that these idiots can name their server whatever they want, but if Scavier decide to implement a filter on the master server and exclude them, nobody's rights are being stepped on here. The master server list in LFS is not a public forum, it's a private service being offered by three guys to their paying customers.
It's laudable that some of you want to stick up for principles of free speech here despite your distaste for what these idiots are choosing to say, but this is not a battle that you have to take on: their right to appear on the master server list with their tasteless name is about the same as the right of a repeated wrecker to be allowed back into a server, i.e., they have no relevant rights at all.
Can't really help on the original question, but are you sure the precise finish line is where you imply it to be with those screenshots? I always assumed it was down the middle of the chequered paint pattern, not at one end.
Of course I'm sure the relative positions of the two cars wouldn't have changed much over that 50cm distance or whatever it is; I was just wondering.
Of course I'm sure the relative positions of the two cars wouldn't have changed much over that 50cm distance or whatever it is; I was just wondering.
Great point, Android. I've been puzzled in the past when I saw people on other forums refer to LFS as "arcadey", but your post helps me get it now. I was thinking of tyre physics and they were thinking of immersion.
+1 for the idea that LFS could eventually have more immersive, realistic race procedures, sounds, interiors, etc., to supply the kind of realism fix that GTR fans seem to appreciate.
But if I had to choose -- like you, tyre physics all the way.
+1 for the idea that LFS could eventually have more immersive, realistic race procedures, sounds, interiors, etc., to supply the kind of realism fix that GTR fans seem to appreciate.
But if I had to choose -- like you, tyre physics all the way.
I wonder how many years it would have taken me to figure this out if you guys hadn't mentioned it -- thanks.
I am proud to come to this city as the guest of your distinguished Mayor, who has symbolized throughout the world the fighting spirit of West Berlin. And I am proud -- And I am proud to visit the Federal Republic with your distinguished Chancellor who for so many years has committed Germany to democracy and freedom and progress, and to come here in the company of my fellow American, General Clay, who -- who has been in this city during its great moments of crisis and will come again if ever needed.
Two thousand years ago, two thousand years ago, the proudest boast was "civis Romanus sum." Today, in the world of freedom, the proudest boast is "Ich bin ein Berliner."
(I appreciate my interpreter translating my German.)
There are many people in the world who really don't understand, or say they don't, what is the great issue between the free world and the Communist world.
Let them come to Berlin.
There are some who say -- There are some who say that communism is the wave of the future.
Let them come to Berlin.
And there are some who say, in Europe and elsewhere, we can work with the Communists.
Let them come to Berlin.
And there are even a few who say that it is true that communism is an evil system, but it permits us to make economic progress.
Lass' sie nach Berlin kommen. Let them come to Berlin.
Freedom has many difficulties and democracy is not perfect. But we have never had to put a wall up to keep our people in -- to prevent them from leaving us. I want to say on behalf of my countrymen who live many miles away on the other side of the Atlantic, who are far distant from you, that they take the greatest pride, that they have been able to share with you, even from a distance, the story of the last 18 years. I know of no town, no city, that has been besieged for 18 years that still lives with the vitality and the force, and the hope, and the determination of the city of West Berlin.
While the wall is the most obvious and vivid demonstration of the failures of the Communist system -- for all the world to see -- we take no satisfaction in it; for it is, as your Mayor has said, an offense not only against history but an offense against humanity, separating families, dividing husbands and wives and brothers and sisters, and dividing a people who wish to be joined together.
What is -- What is true of this city is true of Germany: Real, lasting peace in Europe can never be assured as long as one German out of four is denied the elementary right of free men, and that is to make a free choice. In 18 years of peace and good faith, this generation of Germans has earned the right to be free, including the right to unite their families and their nation in lasting peace, with good will to all people.
You live in a defended island of freedom, but your life is part of the main. So let me ask you, as I close, to lift your eyes beyond the dangers of today, to the hopes of tomorrow, beyond the freedom merely of this city of Berlin, or your country of Germany, to the advance of freedom everywhere, beyond the wall to the day of peace with justice, beyond yourselves and ourselves to all mankind.
Freedom is indivisible, and when one man is enslaved, all are not free. When all are free, then we look -- can look forward to that day when this city will be joined as one and this country and this great Continent of Europe in a peaceful and hopeful globe. When that day finally comes, as it will, the people of West Berlin can take sober satisfaction in the fact that they were in the front lines for almost two decades.
All -- All free men, wherever they may live, are citizens of Berlin. And, therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words "Ich bin ein Berliner."
Two thousand years ago, two thousand years ago, the proudest boast was "civis Romanus sum." Today, in the world of freedom, the proudest boast is "Ich bin ein Berliner."
(I appreciate my interpreter translating my German.)
There are many people in the world who really don't understand, or say they don't, what is the great issue between the free world and the Communist world.
Let them come to Berlin.
There are some who say -- There are some who say that communism is the wave of the future.
Let them come to Berlin.
And there are some who say, in Europe and elsewhere, we can work with the Communists.
Let them come to Berlin.
And there are even a few who say that it is true that communism is an evil system, but it permits us to make economic progress.
Lass' sie nach Berlin kommen. Let them come to Berlin.
Freedom has many difficulties and democracy is not perfect. But we have never had to put a wall up to keep our people in -- to prevent them from leaving us. I want to say on behalf of my countrymen who live many miles away on the other side of the Atlantic, who are far distant from you, that they take the greatest pride, that they have been able to share with you, even from a distance, the story of the last 18 years. I know of no town, no city, that has been besieged for 18 years that still lives with the vitality and the force, and the hope, and the determination of the city of West Berlin.
While the wall is the most obvious and vivid demonstration of the failures of the Communist system -- for all the world to see -- we take no satisfaction in it; for it is, as your Mayor has said, an offense not only against history but an offense against humanity, separating families, dividing husbands and wives and brothers and sisters, and dividing a people who wish to be joined together.
What is -- What is true of this city is true of Germany: Real, lasting peace in Europe can never be assured as long as one German out of four is denied the elementary right of free men, and that is to make a free choice. In 18 years of peace and good faith, this generation of Germans has earned the right to be free, including the right to unite their families and their nation in lasting peace, with good will to all people.
You live in a defended island of freedom, but your life is part of the main. So let me ask you, as I close, to lift your eyes beyond the dangers of today, to the hopes of tomorrow, beyond the freedom merely of this city of Berlin, or your country of Germany, to the advance of freedom everywhere, beyond the wall to the day of peace with justice, beyond yourselves and ourselves to all mankind.
Freedom is indivisible, and when one man is enslaved, all are not free. When all are free, then we look -- can look forward to that day when this city will be joined as one and this country and this great Continent of Europe in a peaceful and hopeful globe. When that day finally comes, as it will, the people of West Berlin can take sober satisfaction in the fact that they were in the front lines for almost two decades.
All -- All free men, wherever they may live, are citizens of Berlin. And, therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words "Ich bin ein Berliner."
I'm liking you less.
If the guy in front of you is running too slow, just give him a kick to the back of the knees, that should sort him out.
Seriously though, well done for running a marathon for charity.
Seriously though, well done for running a marathon for charity.
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