Quote from MaKaKaZo :

I think I haven't seen a slowmo dogfight either, with two cars fighting for a position, braking into a corner, going through a hard chicane tail-to-nose. Most slowmo's are only one car showing off tyre deformation and suspension movement. Try two cars!

Usually you don't see slow motion videos with online action because the car's movement isn't that fluid there, it jerks periodically depending on the packet rate that is available between the host and the client.

A slow motion vid with on line action simply wouldn't look that prety.
Only short slow motion parts of online action are used in action vids.
Someone could use the AI for lag free racing action but usually the outcome isn’t that exiting…


A slow motion "parody" would need some extra humoristic "skill"... that requires some talent over technique to happen.
If it just contains crashes in slow motion then it will look like one of those crash tributes... which I don’t find interesting at all.

btw kranikawis "in slowmotion" vid is really top notch, despite been an unfinished project (lost his files) and despite the online action drawbacks I already mentioned.

Last edited by kaynd, Mon 15 Sep 2008, 15:13.

Quote from unknownrisks :

Heh, i see why, Teh Carl is an awesome set of films. Thanks Don for giving us a target to beat . Ours will include crash sounds for crashes, (and if your reading Don, the police camera is a awesome effect, except you was constantly traveling at 143 kp/h lol), much more crashes (realistic as possible) and we can still call ourselfs orginial as ours is still the first car chase in traffic, rather than police

Keep in mind that don’s teh carl movies are more than 3years old…
Back then it was a great task just to produce a video with an acceptable fps rate and image quality, using the average hardware someone could have.
Also there is some simple humoristic plot (mainly around the stupid AI) that made these movies unique back then.

Anyway the intro was good enough to draw my attention.
Waiting the full movie.

Even thought I don’t think it’s that original. I love carefully made, with some proper camera angles showing suspension movement and tire physics, slow motion vids.

Nicely done


It would be nice to have it in HQ

Thanks for taking the time to.

Indeed it would be good to have somehow a conformation that applications are received.

If you have the patience to keep that clean camera work in a movie 3-4min long that will be top notch.

This looks fun
Thumbs up for the event
The video needs more work camera passing trough the car too many times

Quote from george_tsiros :

and since we are all so on topic i would like to ask more info about scoobyrbac's avatar.

Have a look here
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=45078

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

Haven't watched the video itself, but why does everyone think it's cool to use all 900 degrees of rotation .

Because it is cool. Using the highest amount of your wheel’s available rotation makes it harder to drift in high angles and also if you master it properly you can drift with much smoother weight transfers and lines.
Also it's closer to what most real road cars have... there are not many cars out there with only 2 turns from lock to lock (720deg).

AhaaahAhahahAAHaHahahAHAahaHaHAHahaha Great fun! :clapclap:
Grats Fox & to anyone who helped this production happen.

LFS hasn't become any "faster".

The FZR was always capable doing way over 262km/h with low enough downforce.
Also it depends on the track you are driving on. There must be a long enough straight to reach that speed with the proper gearing and downforce.

Quote from [SWE]RE :

Where was it low fps? I'd like to know, as there's no low fps in the MQ-version when I watch it on my computer. Strange. :/

I wasn't able to download the MQ version yesterday.

The youtube version seems a bit jerky.
Youtube may have low quality but doesn't drop fps that much so I thought that the movie had similar fps problems.

MQ version is fine

hm the video which is been presented here has no text effects at the beginning.

I think you are talking about the 1min trailer that is uploaded at youtube but has nothing to do with the main video content.

This is the actual video http://www.megaupload.com/nl/?d=0QGE155A
(it's 6min 9sec long)

Last edited by kaynd, Tue 2 Sep 2008, 19:34.

Nice racing action
Fps rate is a bit low.
Nice cameras and effects
Good video overall.

Quote from BigTime :

I don't see what all the fuss is about with this one... 8/10

You consider 2 pages as a fuss? Also keep in mind that this is over a year old.
It’s normal not to like it, but you can easily see that there is some effort put in that vid.

Apart that it may not float your boat can you find any noticeable editing or camerawork mistakes?

note: The youtube link has not the same vid as the download link

Last edited by kaynd, Mon 1 Sep 2008, 10:01.

Quote from squidhead :

way too much FOV imho

Double that
Also watch the aspect ratio. Cars appear to be narrower than they are.

Nice work overall, waiting the final movie

I think the main argument on that thread has to do with the use of macro that automatically presses the button clutch with the gear change.
So I keep that comment.

Quote from Modoff :

On the side note i do think that a macro is bs, And it would be nice if that was detectable,

When operating button clutch by hand there is still a chance to miss shift trying to sync it perfectly and that explains to me the small advantage over autoclutch.
Anyway the use of button clutch in general has been discussed in older threads.
I don’t think that any in game option is an unfair advantage.
It’s there because pedal clutch is not standard in all wheel sets so there must be an alternative way to use the clutch somehow in a sim.

Quote from IDUI :

From what I gather no one can tell for sure between macro script and manual button clutch from the replays, so any accusations made here were baseless. All the black list and hating talk, it got ridiculous pretty fast here lol.

You can’t prove it via the online hotlap analyzer.
You can speculate the use of it when you see constantly machine-like timed shifts without using AC…
And this is indeed just a speculation…
Most of the drivers that where known to use that macro… only tried to prove that it doesn’t give you any advantage or that also mouse users have other advantages so they are even... not that they don’t use it.
(some common sense is needed here).

And here the most of the discussion was about if its write or wrong to do it…
The use of macro button clutch was known long before and I see noware a blacklist

Quote from chavm481 :

i dont know but it might be improved if it can be.

Are you sure you do not know?? maby you know something.
PLEASE MASTER TELL US MORE!!!

:bananadea
Anyway i am more concerned about how the rear suspension of the real car is transferred to the LFS...

I am not expecting much but the 2d trailing arms at the back are not enough to give not even remotely a close to real feeling for new cars such as Sirocco

Quote from dawguk :

No need to take it so personally. This is a discussion board that everybody is perfectly at liberty to contribute to, whether or not they agree or disagree with each other.

You are the one who find it hard to believe why this tread reached over 10 pages...
Are we that stupid so we need all that pages?
No. It's just people that start this conversation again and again because they get bored to read.

Quote from dawguk :

Speaking of 0 basis, you've just made statements about me that you also have 0 basis for. Enough already ...

Your statements about how we should find other ways than shifting gears fast in order to improve our driving, or how we should count on setup variables before accusing someone for having an unfair advantage, are enough for me to understand that you have no clue on what has been discussed at this thread…
We are not accusing someone just for being faster…
No one said that he is already perfect at anything else and the only way to get a faster lap time is gear changes...

Last edited by kaynd, Thu 28 Aug 2008, 19:33.

I don’t demand from you to read all those 18pages to have a clue on what is being discussed here.
But you could just resist posting…
This topic is that long because people like you post from 0 basis recycling the topic’s discussion again and again…

We talk strictly and only for that small but crucial advantage someone has when using an outside application to macro the button clutch operation with the gear change.

The advantage only in straight acceleration of the consistent-effortless use of the button clutch has been proven here.
(the advantage over normal Autoclutch)

To an average racer that advantage may seem ridiculously small, but it’s there and when the lap time differences come down to 10milisec it’s quite apparent…

If you don’t care just don’t post.

Last edited by kaynd, Thu 28 Aug 2008, 17:35.

Do you think that an inpatient driver on the track will have the patience to read all off this?

There are already well stated - nicely categorized for easy reading, points in LFS wiki manual. But I can tell from the behavior I see, that not many people have read those.

http://en.lfsmanual.net/wiki/Basic_driving_guides
http://en.lfsmanual.net/wiki/Advanced_driving_guide
http://en.lfsmanual.net/wiki/Clean_Racers_Club_Rules

oh yeah

Quote from george_tsiros :

i go drifting with FXR and knobblies

Quote from hrtburnout :

Same here!

The MRT is good fun too

You slick mod nabs Just put some overinflated R4 and try to drift the XRR

This is not a cheat.
When you have under let’s say 1% of fuel on your tank, anyone else see you drive like that…