This is getting boring… 
In how many different threads we have to say it…
Grats for your great work and performance
In how many different threads we have to say it…
Grats for your great work and performance
You seem to not even have bought LFS and asking if it’s worth buying a game that is worthless without mods?
It’s indeed worth buying rfactor just because of some really good mods like the ones from Niels.
But I donl’t know for someone who plays LFS for more than 6months and still doesn’t realize that indeed the online racing action with the extra content really worth’s the cost of an S2 licence.
It’s indeed worth buying rfactor just because of some really good mods like the ones from Niels.
But I donl’t know for someone who plays LFS for more than 6months and still doesn’t realize that indeed the online racing action with the extra content really worth’s the cost of an S2 licence.
This is great fun. No other comments just great fun. 
I think the 2nd episode was better, because of the extensive use of those really funny lfs-human characters
I think the 2nd episode was better, because of the extensive use of those really funny lfs-human characters
The way they responded to your valid points, at that thread, was really irritating. :mad::doh:
It’s too bad that your vertion of tyre mode isn’t going to be released cause it’s not your mod and I doubt they will accept to use your work…
It’s too bad that your vertion of tyre mode isn’t going to be released cause it’s not your mod and I doubt they will accept to use your work…
FXO has too long wheelbase - wide track regarding its GoG height and road tires can’t give enough grip to flip that car on its own.
You can use a high curb to flip it while having maximum lateral acceleration but you don’t need a special setup to do that.
You can use a high curb to flip it while having maximum lateral acceleration but you don’t need a special setup to do that.
Yeah sorry I forgot to add “in my opinion”
And also by the term lag crash I mean every crash that doesn’t seem right making the LFS’s collision detection worthless.
I didn't said anything about advertizing. all I said is just about "feel".
And also by the term lag crash I mean every crash that doesn’t seem right making the LFS’s collision detection worthless.
I didn't said anything about advertizing. all I said is just about "feel".
Well 0:22 lag crash , 0:31 lag crash , 0:33 the outcome of a lag crash
0:26 unfair bump 0:43 unfair hit on the straight
No matter how well made the video is, those shots don’t give a nice feeling about the competition.
0:26 unfair bump 0:43 unfair hit on the straight
No matter how well made the video is, those shots don’t give a nice feeling about the competition.
Nicely made clip but I would prefer less crashes especially the “lagged” ones. 
Nice work. Inspired script (I loved the UF1 part)
Well I think that in some spots the speed up playback was noticeable (eg at the ending of the first part) but that’s not enough to effect negatively the fun concept.
All aspects are really well put together. Good job.
(HQ vertions would be nice :tilt
)Well I think that in some spots the speed up playback was noticeable (eg at the ending of the first part) but that’s not enough to effect negatively the fun concept.
All aspects are really well put together. Good job.
(HQ vertions would be nice :tilt
You could choose to show us one good battle moment from every one of those who raced and still give the idea of the crowded field. but that’s really hard work to do.
Don't take me wrong, I am not willing to underestimate your work but separating the thrillseeker from the organized race fan isn't the solution there.
(PS I still have in my faivorite LFS movies folder that 302ΜΒ 10min movie of Imphenzia TR S1
)
Don't take me wrong, I am not willing to underestimate your work but separating the thrillseeker from the organized race fan isn't the solution there.
(PS I still have in my faivorite LFS movies folder that 302ΜΒ 10min movie of Imphenzia TR S1
)
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The movie is good generally
Some nice cameras, enough effects, good synchronization etc
But there is not so good flow of the action.
There are some noticeable repetitions in some scenes and some really long-not so interesting shots. eg 00:43-1:06 - 1:07-1:30
Some nice cameras, enough effects, good synchronization etc
But there is not so good flow of the action.
There are some noticeable repetitions in some scenes and some really long-not so interesting shots. eg 00:43-1:06 - 1:07-1:30
Indeed it acts like damping when the amount of feedback steps exceeds the wheel’s capabilities.
When I had the DFP I had also strength values that low. (something like 35% from the driver and 75% from the game) and the FF step value lower (not 64 though)
Now since about 8 months ago, I am using a G25 and I found out that there is no much difference between 128-256 ffsteps regarding the feedback crispness from the bumps, curbs etc.
(yeah… I have changed my mind some time after this thread and maybe I wouldn't notice the difference in the first place, if the default FF step num hadn't chance from 128 to 256 back then at patch U days)
I also understand that, with that high feedback force I am using (100% drivers & 65% in game), I don’t have accurate feedback at all… just clipping and on-off forces when going over bumps…
But in that way I have enough wheel “weight” around the center and that helps me feel the car’s dampers easier while changing directions. (Really useful in fine tuning the suspension)
Thanks for the reply, but as you can understand it's difficult to change settings that you have got used to, even if they might theoretically be more realistic.
Since the feedback hardware that recent wheels have is far away from produsing realy convincing forces, comparing to a real car's wheel, what setting values feel right is a subjective matter.
When I had the DFP I had also strength values that low. (something like 35% from the driver and 75% from the game) and the FF step value lower (not 64 though)
Now since about 8 months ago, I am using a G25 and I found out that there is no much difference between 128-256 ffsteps regarding the feedback crispness from the bumps, curbs etc.
(yeah… I have changed my mind some time after this thread and maybe I wouldn't notice the difference in the first place, if the default FF step num hadn't chance from 128 to 256 back then at patch U days)
I also understand that, with that high feedback force I am using (100% drivers & 65% in game), I don’t have accurate feedback at all… just clipping and on-off forces when going over bumps…
But in that way I have enough wheel “weight” around the center and that helps me feel the car’s dampers easier while changing directions. (Really useful in fine tuning the suspension)
Thanks for the reply, but as you can understand it's difficult to change settings that you have got used to, even if they might theoretically be more realistic.
Since the feedback hardware that recent wheels have is far away from produsing realy convincing forces, comparing to a real car's wheel, what setting values feel right is a subjective matter.
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UFR rolls way to easy just because of high traction and power (using a locked diff)
You can easily flip UF1 using nothing more than weight transfer.
Just keep the suspension as higher as possible and much harder to the heavy end of the car, because that’s where you need to have the grater weight transfer in order to flip.
[edit] I now downloaded savboy's set and saw that we used the same spring stifness.
I just set the front stifness to max and gave it some damping to avoid frequant hops that reduce the already low UF1 tire traction.
The rear stiffness was a lucky strike. I just set it there so I have similar ride height front-back with the same maxed out spring length.
Then just full negative camber - lowest pressures, 0 toe and that's it.
You can easily flip UF1 using nothing more than weight transfer.
Just keep the suspension as higher as possible and much harder to the heavy end of the car, because that’s where you need to have the grater weight transfer in order to flip.
[edit] I now downloaded savboy's set and saw that we used the same spring stifness.
I just set the front stifness to max and gave it some damping to avoid frequant hops that reduce the already low UF1 tire traction.
The rear stiffness was a lucky strike. I just set it there so I have similar ride height front-back with the same maxed out spring length.
Then just full negative camber - lowest pressures, 0 toe and that's it.
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Yeah I did read the rules… but I mean.
If 5 competitors upload 40 setup each. Who is going to check them all?
And who defines the “inaccurate” setup? It doesn’t have to bounce like a ball to be inaccurate…
I have 977 setups in my setup folder, many of them are made by me and most of them seem to be valid… but I know they are not competitive anymore.
Anyway I understand that this competition is a smart and fun way to fill a bit faster the setup grid.
But to my in my opinion it’s not the best way, knowing that massive setup upload will cause quality drop.
If 5 competitors upload 40 setup each. Who is going to check them all?
And who defines the “inaccurate” setup? It doesn’t have to bounce like a ball to be inaccurate…
I have 977 setups in my setup folder, many of them are made by me and most of them seem to be valid… but I know they are not competitive anymore.
Anyway I understand that this competition is a smart and fun way to fill a bit faster the setup grid.
But to my in my opinion it’s not the best way, knowing that massive setup upload will cause quality drop.
Nice promoting move there.
Too bad I am not so active at setup making or general racing for some months now, or else I would give it a shot, but now I don’t stand a chance and there is no point uploading useless setups… (most of them are outdated (before patch Y))
One question though.
What is going to prevent someone from uploading random crappy setups? or someone else’s work?
Too bad I am not so active at setup making or general racing for some months now, or else I would give it a shot, but now I don’t stand a chance and there is no point uploading useless setups… (most of them are outdated (before patch Y))
One question though.
What is going to prevent someone from uploading random crappy setups? or someone else’s work?
This is what I made and I used it for both qualify and race.
I got down to 02:00.630 with very little practice during some races before the event at the F1rst server.
I got down to 02:00.630 with very little practice during some races before the event at the F1rst server.
Yeah unless you are at the front and the one who is folowing has not so mutch patience
Anyway that wasn't the case with me, it was just a bad day for me.
I actually felt jealous because I knew that especially during the first race there were some really good battles, and Ι was far away from that cause of my stupid refuel pitstops:banghead:
Actually I don’t think reversed grid is a good idea in such a crowded race with not so even trained racers.
It’s realy easy to become a destruction derby because of the faster “back-markers” pushing the front, not leaving any room for mistakes.
Anyway I was in a bad day so it doesn’t matter that for me not having fun. I forgot to add the right fuel amount and then pitted 2 times,+ causing a drive through penalty during the second pitstop.
As for the second race, I lost my temper right from the beginning because of many bumps, so I disconnected to avoid causing trouble.
At least I was lucky enough to enjoy some racing at the official event’s server before the start.
It’s realy easy to become a destruction derby because of the faster “back-markers” pushing the front, not leaving any room for mistakes.
Anyway I was in a bad day so it doesn’t matter that for me not having fun. I forgot to add the right fuel amount and then pitted 2 times,+ causing a drive through penalty during the second pitstop.
As for the second race, I lost my temper right from the beginning because of many bumps, so I disconnected to avoid causing trouble.
At least I was lucky enough to enjoy some racing at the official event’s server before the start.
I was just "/waiting"
Apart from the «hacked» account.
There is a problem in that replay too.
The first time I opened it, I saw OΟS error but I forgot to grab a screenshot…
Then I run the replay again and again… no error.
Then I restart LFS and I see the OSS error once more.
Don’t have a clue how is that possible but for some reason I don’t think it’s a game’s bug.
(misspelled error "oss" @ screenshot file name)
There is a problem in that replay too.
The first time I opened it, I saw OΟS error but I forgot to grab a screenshot…
Then I run the replay again and again… no error.
Then I restart LFS and I see the OSS error once more.
Don’t have a clue how is that possible but for some reason I don’t think it’s a game’s bug.
(misspelled error "oss" @ screenshot file name)
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Ok there is no traction whatsoever at the corner exit with open diff.
It is easy to make setups that are nice to drive but not competitive at all.
With the cplsd it's a bit better, and it could easily get more lock at the power side.
Generally the setup needs a bit more attention; there is no need for such overseer in the ARB settings. (even in real life there is no way you will find in a road sports car, the front ARB 12 times softer than the rear comparing the absolute stiffness value… let alone stiffness/mass)
Also the suspension travel is not enough for that spring stiffness and the front bottoms out while cornering, which is not that good for traction over bumps. If you want it that soft you need to make it higher.
After you reconfigure the suspension settings, take a look at camber values cause you need a bit more at the rear... Ass dragging in an FWD car is = lots of traction lost in both sides, unless you want it to go fast around hairpins or certain autocross layouts.
It is easy to make setups that are nice to drive but not competitive at all.
With the cplsd it's a bit better, and it could easily get more lock at the power side.
Generally the setup needs a bit more attention; there is no need for such overseer in the ARB settings. (even in real life there is no way you will find in a road sports car, the front ARB 12 times softer than the rear comparing the absolute stiffness value… let alone stiffness/mass)
Also the suspension travel is not enough for that spring stiffness and the front bottoms out while cornering, which is not that good for traction over bumps. If you want it that soft you need to make it higher.
After you reconfigure the suspension settings, take a look at camber values cause you need a bit more at the rear... Ass dragging in an FWD car is = lots of traction lost in both sides, unless you want it to go fast around hairpins or certain autocross layouts.
I personally can easily detect understeer through LFS’s feedback…
The wheel does become a bit lighter and for sure less informative while using excessive steering lock.
The only reason you will experience extreme feedback drop in a road car, is the condition of a road with low and uneven traction, and the ability of a normal road going car to steer more than 36degs, going far away of the optimal slip angle.
Don’t forget that still the tracks have constant grip and there is no rain or anything else that could affect grip levels and the effective slip angle of the tire so drastically.
It is really possible though that LFS’s slip angles are a too wide… already the tire load sensitivity is not working properly so maybe the whole model needs improvement.
Anyway LFS’s feedback works brilliant, even though it is limited by some inaccuracies that it is logical to exist (for now) in any racing simulator.
It’s just that some other developers try to exaggerate some effects to give the immersion of a real effect but it feels fake.
Unless you get used to that “turn off feedback while being in understeering mode” that most ISI sims produce and then anything else feels wrong…
The wheel does become a bit lighter and for sure less informative while using excessive steering lock.
The only reason you will experience extreme feedback drop in a road car, is the condition of a road with low and uneven traction, and the ability of a normal road going car to steer more than 36degs, going far away of the optimal slip angle.
Don’t forget that still the tracks have constant grip and there is no rain or anything else that could affect grip levels and the effective slip angle of the tire so drastically.
It is really possible though that LFS’s slip angles are a too wide… already the tire load sensitivity is not working properly so maybe the whole model needs improvement.
Anyway LFS’s feedback works brilliant, even though it is limited by some inaccuracies that it is logical to exist (for now) in any racing simulator.
It’s just that some other developers try to exaggerate some effects to give the immersion of a real effect but it feels fake.
Unless you get used to that “turn off feedback while being in understeering mode” that most ISI sims produce and then anything else feels wrong…
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