Quote from Bean0 :

Removal of button clutch as an option is the only solution really.

Why? can't it be just as fast as the autoclutch?

You need to have a clutch of some sort when you have a wheel or whatever controller without clutch axis...
It's part of the car's controll.. no need to explain why you may need to operate it manualy.

Last edited by kaynd, Thu 17 Jul 2008, 17:07.

Quote from Glenn67 :

Just like with mouse steering or wheel with low steering rotation which I assure you gives more off an advantage.

Driving with mouse has already a big disadvantage by not having proper throttle and brake control.
Also it takes some skill from your hand to be accurate and fast with the mouse...
It doesn’t steer by itself...
It's completely irrelevant. Many of us already have answered to that in previews pages, and you keep repeating it again and again…

I have been a mouse driver for 3 years in demo&S2 and for the last 2 years I use a wheel so I am in position to know the advantages and disadvantages of mouse steering.

Quote from diablo21 :

And (it may look the other way around) I would honestly like this 'cheat', exploit, call it whatever you want to be removed/banned by LFS devs. I don't really know how they would do it tho.

it's realy simple... just make the button clutch as slow as the autoclutch... not depending on the button rate.

Then there is no reason for using that script.

Quote from DevilDare :

OK, i need help answering this question "You dont need to go to church to be a good christian" it is part of my RE Coursework (I go to Catholic School) and i am really stuck on it.
I thought i would ask the great "philosophical" LFS Community to help me out

If you could write your oppinions regarding this question on "Agree" and "Disagree" it would be very nice, it would give me ideas and help to type up the damn 1000 words

Religion matters have nothing to do with philosophical opinions.
Your teacher asked you to write about that in order to prove you, regardless your opinion, that “You need to go to church to be a good christian”

Quote from kaynd :

ffs scripting takes no driver’s skill…

Quote from r4ptor :

And that matters because...? Most ppl currently change gears with auto clutch and a click on a button/paddle/shifter. Where's the skill, or even effort in that?

You pay a price on slow shifts by using autoclutch... If you decide to develop that skill (shift using manual clutch) you can achieve faster shifts.
The script gives you unreal perfect shifts in any condition, effortless.

Sorry I am not willing to argue anymore about that, if you don't get it, it’s ok.


I personaly think it's just another exploit not a cheat.

Quote from anibarro :

Just take a look:
http://www.lfsworld.net/rafa/? ... f2=csimpok_FE2_FXO_117150
You lose almost all of the time on the chicane of last sector, where there is no gear change.

Just one though: What happens with real life drivers who change gear without clutch, just doing it at propper revolutions? are they cheating?

This is an ability that your gearbox gives to you and it depends on the driver’s skill to do if we are talking about a normal H pattern one.
ffs scripting takes no driver’s skill…

As for the example you give...

If he is slower than "you" only at the last sector, that means that "you" are slower than him on the rest of the track because "you" spend "your" fast shift advantage and still be as fast as him.


use some common sense plz

Last edited by kaynd, Wed 16 Jul 2008, 13:15.

Quote from (FIN)Eza :

I wonder if they are STILL doing this and not just by Phlos.. Maybe there is tool to extract set from wr replay? Just makes me wonder when I see sets from other users whichs never been shared yet.. If there is way to do this, it's bigger cheat than just button clutch imo

Are you talking about tire pressures and diff locking?
Because all suspension settings, brake force and gear ratios are already in public view at LFSW.
You can easily find camber and caster settings by pressing shift+L in game…
and aliment - DF just from some guesswork by watching the forces at force view in certain speeds...

Quote from pecholobo :

the people who uses a mouse to take the direction control, more rapid and precision is not cheater? does not do traps? accelerate and brake with a button in a better reaction time that with a few pedals is not a trap? Is not the stabilizer of keyboard an advantage? and the steering wheels with axes in the paddles that activate the analogical axis at the same gear change time is not an advantage?

The clutch button is a option and you can use it if you want, in the same way as you can move the car direction with a mouse...

It takes some skill in order to utilitize the mouse accuracy.
Appart from that, not having complete control in throttle and braking is a disadvantage which in not apparent only on combos with slow road cars (XFG) , or with 4wd (RB4, FXR) drivetrain. Same goes with the kb.
Generally the ability to give really fast steering inputs, hardly overcomes the disadvantage of not having analog throttle control.
Also it takes some skill to synchronize always the clutch even if it is just an extra button.
While a script that uses the clutch as an ultra fast axis input in perfect synch with the gear change, doesn’t require any skill at all and eliminates the gearbox restrictions that are there for a reason…

Last edited by kaynd, Wed 16 Jul 2008, 12:50.

Maybe then it’s a problem of the PSU unit? or maybe the cable has worn out?
I don't know if you are able to check the psu output to see if it works properly

The DFP is an old wheel but it had 2 years warranty when it was still available at the market.
Check if you can send it back for replacement.

It seems like the power supply is not working. (Blinking left led) Check if the power cable is actually placed in a working power socket.

Oh yeah I will.:sadbanana :rolleyes:
You just have joined this forum so I don't blame you for not having a good enough quality level.

These are the most unbased speculations I have ever read. (post 1)

It’s not all cause of one person... if Hitler hasn’t existed then someone else would.
Better or worse... we don’t know.

there is allready an engine sound sharing thread...
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=18589
I don't see why yours deserve a special thread... especially when it's just the default sound with maxxed out levels for ultra cool clipping...

woah hardware ricers are here.

Anyway it’s interesting to see how skill and passion overcomes hardware (in)capabilities.

8800 GT is a better card than 9600GT. I hope you don't do an "upgrade" of this kind

As for my question, well I am talking about ultra low level (for today’s standards) 7600 GS and 7600 GT

Nice quality and camerawork.

Quote from unokeva :

sure? :P

To capture i use this (use "windowsmode" for best result):

Are you using always Anti aliasing?
It’s ok with one car on track to record 800*600 with 4*AA @ 32bits with an 7600GS and a petnium D
But what happens with more cars on camera? I couldn’t keep 20fps stable with a 7600GT while recording with AA on. (in 16bits I could record in much higher fps but smoke and dust looks terrible)
Are the adobe premiere’s blur effects that effective so you do not need to use AA?
never tried windowed mode though

Last edited by kaynd, Sat 5 Jul 2008, 10:26.

LOLL GREAT!!! :headbang::bannana_g

I thinks that some chorus lines are a bit high levelled (eg "Been there, done that") but apart from that it’s a pretty consistent creation!

Quote from Töki (HUN) :

The goal of the car companies is to save the environment and make people use electric car.

You start all wrong... no company on earth whant to do that.
The only thing that a company cares of is profit.
It's just the way that market goes on.

If there are people who need to do something, companies will take advantage of that need.

hehe looks like you are about to change your avarar again Niels

I am experiencing the same problem with my optical Microsoft Intelli Mouse.
Getting random double - triple clicks by just pressing it once.

It’s just that click switch getting worn out… I have used it hard enough for the past 4 years so it doesn’t surprise me.

Ι think that below the 100% force strength value,the driver damps the feedback "messages".
Try 100% from the drivers and 20-40% in game

Average...




Nothing special about it

It is normat to have that fps drop while recording.
Have you ever tried to capture video using Fraps in previous patches?

Last edited by kaynd, Thu 12 Jun 2008, 21:52.

The length of the 2nd episode is ideal. (imo)
Longer video with shorter storyline? hmm I don’t know.. I think this is more of a,based on LFSpeople story, fun video.
I don’t know if the script of cars chasing can be as interesting, but let’s see

Quote from Dalibor79 :

I suddenly dont have autocross. i mean, its there in the menu, but its grey ad i cant select it.
anyone?

It’s gray only in hotlap mode