Thanks for clarifying it

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But in my opinion hardening the antiroll bar in one end of the car, not only decreases traction at that end but also increases traction at the other end.

I'd agree, although the effect is identical in any case, it's just the magnitudes that differ.
Plus one minor correction - the term is roll stiffness, not rolling resistance (that's for tyres).

I am ok with that and thanks for correcting me about the rolling resistance term, this mistake has to do mainly with my bad English

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Quote from kaynd :

We did replase the GSi’s antiroll with the GTi’s and the roll did decrease dramatically. Isn't that normal?

Yes, as their name implies, anti-roll bars reduce roll. Not weight transfer. It's just the force gets to the outer tyre using the anti-roll bars, rather than using the springs, hence less roll.

I already agree with that but about what I have experienced irl, yes it is normal or yes it isn’t?

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Quote from kaynd :

Not using numbers, just hypotheticaly a clear example. If we put a proper rear antiroll bar so as a result we have same rolling resistance at the back as in the front.
That won’t effect the total rolling resistance?

No.

And I completely loose you here.
I can’t figure out how hardening the ARB in one end of the car, doesn’t effect total roll resistance.
Unless you got what I was saying wrong cause of my wrong usage of the term “rolling resistance” so its all my fault.

Anyway I am not asking you to explain it further because it is off the main topic and it may be better to spend your time in something more interesting.
I will figure it out myself. There is plenty of info to search.

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but didn't think the total weight transfer was affected.

But doesn’t it effect the total rolling resistance? (in benefit of total camber control)
e.g we have a typical understeery setup with higher rolling resistance at the front than at the back.
Not using numbers, just hypotheticaly a clear example. If we put a proper rear antiroll bar so as a result we have same rolling resistance at the back as in the front.
That won’t effect the total rolling resistance?

I think that it would and that’s what I have seen irl… In a friend’s Rover 416GSi model 90’s it’s stock rear antiroll bar was silly soft and the car rolled quite a lot in the corners. We knew that the “better” vertion of the same car, the 416 GTi had nothing more than a harder rear antiroll bar…
We did replase the GSi’s antiroll with the GTi’s and the roll did decrease dramatically. Isn't that normal?

Quote from Bob Smith :

stiffening the rear anti-roll bar will cause more weight transfer at that end (and thus less grip and less understeer/more oversteer),

Yes a stiffer rear antiroll bar decreases the grip at the rear but it doesn’t simultaneously increases the front grip? At a turn, because of the increased total roll resistance without hardening the front ARB, the front inside suspention arm, more independently, pushes the inside tire against the road instead of transferring thru the ARB more force to the outside tire. At least that’s the way I understand it.

Anyway in an already netural setup I agree that hardening ARB in both ends gives more roll resistance - better camber control, for the less weight transfer than in any other unbalanced situation.
But in my opinion hardening the antiroll bar in one end of the car, not only decreases traction at that end but also increases traction at the other end.


At the thread's main topic now, too soft springs with too hard dampers, sound to me like a description of an overdamped suspension. I doubt that this could benefit grip in comparison with a normaly damped suspention... unless we are talking about a glass-like flat road with no bumps whatsoever.
But anyway i don't think that any selfrespected damper manufacturer will provide you a product like that.

Last edited by kaynd, Tue 4 Dec 2007, 04:53.

Try using less FOV

High FOV may look cool to you on your high ress 3d rendered image that the LFS creates on your screen but when you have to make your viewers pay attention to what you want to show them, if it is something specific and not generally a view, you have to get rid of any unnecessary scenery by narrowing the Field of view.

It could be a nice promo video.
It has some nice racing shots but also some not really interesting. e.g the hotlap shots.
Also there were some scenes with low fps, maybe these should be recorded at a lower speed?
I think you could do it a lot better if you had spent a bit more time to it.

Nice short videos.
The first makes you feel the fun out there.
I have to say that there are some inspired skins there

HELLLLL YEAHHHHHH :bannana_g:bannana_g:bannana_g:bannana_g:laola::clapclap::clapclap::huepfenic

Yes as DaveWS said it is just shifting up sooner, in lower rpm.
Usually when you hear about short shifting it is all about 300-500-1000rpm lower than the normal shifting point (it depends on how wide is the effective rpm range of your engine)… that will do the trick for fuel economy or maybe will help you keep the engine cooler and it will not hurt the performance that much

Indeed… you feel too exposed in that…

Meh… it is not about ownage… You put an lfs movie on line and what do you expect? Only positive comments? Negative comments help you to improve unless you think you are already perfect.

Starting from the Drift battle video. Good drifting, not quite a battle apart for some moments at 1:21 -1:50 where the cars seem to cam a bit closer.
But you know… maybe it is the high fov that makes you keep camera close to the cars so the distance between them looks grater.
You recorded a really long scene which unavoidably has some moments where the camera looses the cars. It would be better if you recorded that lap in shorter scenes with different cameras and then put them together, removing the parts where the camera can’t keep up with the cars.
The music didn’t fit indeed but anyway this has to do with anyone’s personal taste.

As for the GT1 video, I do not see the point “replicate” again and again the same GT intro video. I have seen other two GT1 intro like lfs vids. Anyway nice editing.

PS that squidhead's vid you point out is not an LFS movie… it has just unedited video parts, sowing in a way how a drifter can easily drift down the "corkscrew" of aston with any car… it is like a video response to a thread…

Last edited by kaynd, Tue 27 Nov 2007, 02:11.

looolololol nice idea man. A great way to demonstrade "the lag of death"

I sold your face because I love myself.

What does this supposed to mean?

This is an eye shower:lovies3d:
ok it has too many crashes for my taste and a bit excessive camera shaking... but who cares it looks stunning

PS Stage6 it plz

PPS The brake discs look ubercool on static scenes but while the car moves look silly...

Last edited by kaynd, Sun 25 Nov 2007, 12:59.

There is a strange mix in this video. there are some good scenes with a proper camera angle and there are others with unnecessary high FOV witch makes the car almost disappear.
Same goes with the drifting… there is some good action and some neat lines, but also there is some bad drifting and I am not referring to the ending when you intentionally put some “where it got wrong” scenes.
e.g @ 1:48 & 2:18 you are sowing us in slow motion a not so good grift line.
Anyway ok stuff.
As someone else said, we have already seen pretty much everything at the LFS video scene so you have to do something nearly perfect to impress…

Trying not to take in count that I am not interested in drag racing, the movie was technically nicely put together, maybe the camera shaking was too much but after all it is a nice result.

Judging for the very fast zooming I assume that you recorded that at half or maybe 0.250speed so nice effort

Last edited by kaynd, Sat 24 Nov 2007, 15:14.

Hey I now saw that video, I am not going to comment at drifting because after all I am not a drifter but the cameras&editing were nice for a first try
Usually I have not a problem with music but I think in that occasion the music don’t match at all with drifting… maybe slomo scenes of drifting but still not sure.

Great camera directing man. Music has to do with personal taste so I do not think it is a problem.
Nice and clean effects

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And you all think 'normal' drifting is kept to drift circuits safely out of harms way? Whatever happened to illegal racing, drifting, drag, etc...

It's very ludicrous to count this as being dangerous, and give it such a hard time... Especially to call this a 'fad'?? :rolleyes: This forum couldn't get any more conceited.

:eek: " It's very ludicrous to count this as being dangerous"

You can have fun, drifting in an empty country road in a tight bend going with something between 50-80km/h (30-50mph) It is way more challenging than Arab drifting and way less dangerous.
Don’t get me wrong. I still think that public roads are not meant for sliding or speeding of any short because you share it with people that want just to transport from A to B and they are not responsible for your mistakes.
But for you it is the same thing, going in something close to 200+km/h , (130mph) sliding from side to side on a highway full of other cars trucks etc… ?
Do drags happen on public roads with traffic, at your state Tweaker?

Victoor is a living proof that anyone can arabdrift straight after LFS because the only skill you need to do that is lack of fear and responsibility for others…
From there it is just a matter of flicking the car-> then steering fast to the direction you want to slide and then let alone the steering wheel to counter steer by it self. Then grab it and through it to the other direction… and again let it counter steer by itself. You only have to keep a certain rhythm at steering - counter steering…
But even if that doesn’t go so well there is no problem because also spinning while giving almost random steering inputs is also cool… and you get extra 100points for every Arab at the side of the road you hit… and +1000 points if you destroy your car hitting to anything heavier than a human is at the side of the road.

Did you ever wondered, why they use such long and comfy soft “limousines” that are often more expensive than a normal sports car?
Because these cars have reeealy slow and predictable reactions, it is much easier to control a slide with them… but anyway arabdrifting hasn’t to do that much with control.

And no it is not that off topic cause it’s all about arabdrifting that is shown also on the tread’s video

Anyway.
Luck of common sense detected…
me-> runs away from this tread.

Last edited by kaynd, Sat 24 Nov 2007, 13:45.

Bawbag is a generally fast guy and congrats to him for proving it on both hotlap charts and races.
But apart from that I do not think that anyone gets destroyed because he lost some WR’s… even if he loses all of them, that doesn’t change my perception for e.g. Biggie been a wr capable driver.
And I think that the thread’s title is a bit… annoying-offensive-misleading (all these in one soft edged word that I can’t find)

Do you really do those things been in traffic Victoor?
Did it ever pass trough your mind that you could kill someone just because of a mistake or bad luck?
Could you live with it? Killing someone else because you were having fun, high speed sliding your car in the middle of a public road with traffic?

This doesn’t sound like normal understeer by the car’s setup… but more like hydroplaning.
You can get into similar understeer situations, caused by the road’s and/or tires bad condition, even using an oversteery “setup”.

It is already mentioned properly why in normal driving a setup that doesn’t give out the rear sooner than the front, is safer.

The above advices are spot on.
But anyway I hope this also helps.
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=93sp4KsCDao

Nice one even if my connection isn’t capable for that streaming (768kbps Donw)

i saw some "buffered" parts. nice racing

I did like to spin the car intentionally while being at speed and after the 360 continue with as minimum loss of speed as possible towards the direction I was heading to before the spin… Not just spin and then spin again and again till the car stops out of the track… But now I do not dare do such things because people will think that I am Arabdrifting…

Last edited by kaynd, Wed 21 Nov 2007, 13:39.

Man why don’t you try to pass thru turns while sideways??? It’s still fun and more challenging.
I haven’t anything more to say about that… is seems that messing on the straight contains some kind of art for you.

I am just throwing a flaming banana.:bananadea

Last edited by kaynd, Wed 21 Nov 2007, 10:54.