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KeiichiRX7
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Quote from mcintyrej :I think he meant the one's from NFSU where it had the big bar going down the side that told you when to shift for a "perfect shift".

If so, Tristan is right.

Yeah, that bar was a tach, and the needle changed color when it was time to shift.
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KeiichiRX7
S2 licensed
He's still wrong, the analog guages software has the possibility to do that style by using transparency.

I'd say that the guage he's talking abou tis approximately an 80 degree sweep. The biggest pain in the ass is probably going to be finding the center of the arc for rotation. Find that and you know how big to make your images for the guage. good luck getting the "needle" to change color, though it's possible you could make the "guage" itself change color.
KeiichiRX7
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Holy crap, tristan is wrong for once!

hoxs, spend some time reading the following thread, figure out how and you can MAKE your own guages.

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=28186

Nobody's actually made what you're looking for but I've pointed you in the direction of a tool that can do what you want, if you put some effort into it.
KeiichiRX7
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Quote from KeiichiRX7 :Balance session

Core;s server

1900 CET this sunday

Quote from Koopa :Anyways any new testrace comming soon to test the new settings or???

instead of RTFM... RTFT
KeiichiRX7
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I agree with DanoWat here whole heartedly
KeiichiRX7
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Shouldnt be a problem since we should use a qualification session for timing
KeiichiRX7
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Balance session
Core;s server
1900 CET this sunday
KeiichiRX7
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I was marking them for human sacrifice to the speed gods later. *evil grin*

DeadWolfBones is right, it was for "applicant". I'd planned to just let them qualify and then if any had complaints agianst them ask them to leave. I also told Phil about it when he came in. He didn't seem to have a problem with it, and it resulted in a full grid and some awesome battles between the last minute entries (n! and SK for instance).

If it had been for adultery I would have had to make them color it red.
KeiichiRX7
S2 licensed
I have an idea, but what exactly are the Race time progress charts? A tracking of the gap between cars?
KeiichiRX7
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next weekend I'm going to hold a balance session for teh current spec GT2 and next weekend i'll play with a higher horsepower spec (If i can find hosts for those weekends).

I'll go ahead and say that i'm not in agreement that what the class needs is more power, but if i put the work into getting these initial specs together i might as well put the work into the new specs.
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KeiichiRX7
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Quote from DeadWolfBones :I had nicknames off for the entire race and I never once had trouble picking a GT1 car out from a GT2. I knew a GT1 because I suddenly got a blue flag warning and the car in my mirror grew very, very, very quickly.

Obviously the question here is how well this works for GT1 cars, though, and I have no perspective on that. I imagine the speed difference makes it pretty apparent for them, too, though.

(All that said, I do like the colored class names in the username. Perhaps we can just make the entire name red/blue in order to save some characters and accomplish the same effect?)

Or color the number to achieve the same effect
KeiichiRX7
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Quote from Tweaker :It's only a supporting argument for increasing the power on the GT2 cars. My main complaint is the GT2 cars not being fast enough out of the corners for a brief moment, they cannot carry a fast exit speed, like extreme turbo lag or something.

I thought the racing with the two classes looked great, but GT2 could be a little quicker, it's obvious. We also don't need to try and get a "level" amount of bhp like "GT300/300bhp" for example. Just need to find something that suits the two classes nicely, and not try to fit one level of bhp... it just wont be even if you do that.

>>>>>

Our intent isn't to follow a tagline for a standardized power setting for all 3 GT2 cars, we only need to make a safe environment for both classes by way of tuning the GT2 cars to our liking, as well as balancing them. Correct me if I am wrong, but you said you used these values in a league beforehand, and said it worked great. Though in our test race the cars were not very balanced, and our only suggestion is to make them a tad quicker. We aren't talking like a 100 bhp increase here.

Test race values were FZR = 29% (304 bhp/ton), XRR = 33% (290bhp/ton), FXR = 36% (270bhp/ton). I'd estimate a change of values to something like these:

FZR = 22% (340 bhp)
XRR = 28% (340 bhp)
FXR = 27% (346 bhp)

All of these result in the GT2 cars having 314bhp/ton power to weight ratio. These are purely estimates, but should be worth a try. Either car should only need to be adjusted around +/- 10 bhp MAX. The GT1 cars only have a 150 bhp difference with these values, as opposed to the 200 bhp difference before.

Uh yeah have fun with those values, I'll tell you exactly what will happen from experience balancing these cars before. The FXR's going to dominate because of the larger use of grip and stability, and the FZR will get left in the dust.

Rather than just throw my balancing work that i did in the first place out the window, let me have a couple weekends to work with teams and get the current levels balanced. I think the new figures should look a bit like this:

FXR 34%
XRR 33%
FZR 27%

From what I observed, the only places that passing a GT2 car was difficult were in places that were already tight. Anywhere else (if the drivers involved didnt have thier head up thier arse) it was pretty easy, and the lower speeds of the GT2 cars made passing relatively quick and safe (Much safer than passing a GTi youre coming up on in a GT1 car). Similar corner entry speeds made cornering with a GT2 and GT1 in the same corner relatively safe.

And a 40KMH speed difference at the end of KY2's monster straight, to complain about that you can't be serious. Lets put that speed in context. Over here in the states we use MPH, and 40 KMH is approx 24 mph. That's less than the ordinary in town speed limit in most cities in the USA (that would be 35 in my experience). A GT1 car at full tilt doesnt come up on a GT2 car any faster than my Mercury Sable to an intersection.

Of course the GT2 cars aren't going to just leap out of a corner like the GT1 cars, they have less power. When passing a slower car whether they are a lap down or of a slower class it is the passing driver's responsibility to do so safely as much is it is the driver being passed's responsibility to be predictable. Smart drivers shouldn't find this a problem. Especially when penalties are in place for lack of respect for another class.

Think about the quality of the racing provided. SK gaming and n!Faculty went at it for several laps tooth and nail, during which many GT1 cars passed by safely. The same could be said of the battle for the GT1 lead, which was fought over a few laps and the passing of several GT2 cars. The last I saw GT2's leader was only 5 laps behind GT1's leader after 2 whole hours.

About the FWD WR's: There's no LFSW support for the GT2 cars theres nobody hot lapping them seriously and obsessively. Also the CTRA's GT2 GTR's are less powerful and heavier than the ones I brought to this group (also they were derived from my original values with tweaks to make them compatible with the FWDs lol)
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KeiichiRX7
S2 licensed
I keep saying it, that straight is a very very extreme example.

Kinda like saying that the difference between LMP's and GT1 cars is too much because of Mulsanne's Straight.

If we raced for 24 hours on track sharing the course with mini gtr's and GTi's last year in the public 24H then these GT2 cars are no problem
KeiichiRX7
S2 licensed
Would anyone be up for a GT2 exclusive balance weekend next week?
some serious number crunching and head scratching from FXR XRR and FZR teams to get all 3 cars balanced.

personally i think KY1 and 2 are the worst possible examples for balance testing, so we should choose that courses polar opposite for the balance weekend.

It's going to take a lot of coordination between teams but if youre willing to work with me we can get that hammered out.
KeiichiRX7
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Obviously it would be better to use team names
KeiichiRX7
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Look for the red or blue in the names overhead or we can use the template I designed for the FXR as a base

The GT2 cars would use the one on the right
KeiichiRX7
S2 licensed
Good input
KeiichiRX7
S2 licensed
The cornering speeds of the fwd's were too different

I need to hold a couple more balance sessions to get the cars perfect. But i don think they were too far off concidering this course is an extreme example of top speeds.
KeiichiRX7
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Server is "n!faculty.racing Event Server"
User Pass: force
KeiichiRX7
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pretty good except for the use of the word "practice". There are some subtle nuances that you've still gotta learn.

Practice is something you do yourself. You would help train someone.
KeiichiRX7
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the trick is gonna be filling the grid for the season when multiple entries are not allowed.
KeiichiRX7
S2 licensed
Quote :CROWD: A witch! A witch! A witch! We've got a witch! A witch!
VILLAGER #1: We have found a witch, might we burn her?
CROWD: Burn her! Burn!
BEDEMIR: How do you know she is a witch?
VILLAGER #2: She looks like one.
BEDEMIR: Bring her forward.
WITCH: I'm not a witch. I'm not a witch.
BEDEMIR: But you are dressed as one.
WITCH: They dressed me up like this.
CROWD: No, we didn't... no.
WITCH: And this isn't my nose, it's a false one.
BEDEMIR: Well?
VILLAGER #1: Well, we did do the nose.
BEDEMIR: The nose?
VILLAGER #1: And the hat -- but she is a witch!
CROWD: Burn her! Witch! Witch! Burn her!
BEDEMIR: Did you dress her up like this?
CROWD: No, no... no ... yes. Yes, yes, a bit, a bit.
VILLAGER #1: She has got a wart.
BEDEMIR: What makes you think she is a witch?
VILLAGER #3: Well, she turned me into a newt.
BEDEMIR: A newt?
VILLAGER #3: I got better.
VILLAGER #2: Burn her anyway!
CROWD: Burn! Burn her!
BEDEMIR: Quiet, quiet. Quiet! There are ways of telling whether
she is a witch.
CROWD: Are there? What are they?
BEDEMIR: Tell me, what do you do with witches?
VILLAGER #2: Burn!
CROWD: Burn, burn them up!
BEDEMIR: And what do you burn apart from witches?
VILLAGER #1: More witches!
VILLAGER #2: Wood!
BEDEMIR: So, why do witches burn?
[pause]
VILLAGER #3: B--... 'cause they're made of wood...?
BEDEMIR: Good!
CROWD: Oh yeah, yeah...
BEDEMIR: So, how do we tell whether she is made of wood?
VILLAGER #1: Build a bridge out of her.
BEDEMIR: Aah, but can you not also build bridges out of stone?
VILLAGER #2: Oh, yeah.
BEDEMIR: Does wood sink in water?
VILLAGER #1: No, no.
VILLAGER #2: It floats! It floats!
VILLAGER #1: Throw her into the pond!
CROWD: The pond!
BEDEMIR: What also floats in water?
VILLAGER #1: Bread!
VILLAGER #2: Apples!
VILLAGER #3: Very small rocks!
VILLAGER #1: Cider!
VILLAGER #2: Great gravy!
VILLAGER #1: Cherries!
VILLAGER #2: Mud!
VILLAGER #3: Churches -- churches!
VILLAGER #2: Lead -- lead!
ARTHUR: A duck.
CROWD: Oooh.
BEDEMIR: Exactly! So, logically...,
VILLAGER #1: If... she.. weighs the same as a duck, she's made of wood.
BEDEMIR: And therefore--?
VILLAGER #1: A witch!
CROWD: A witch!
BEDEMIR: We shall use my larger scales!
[yelling]
BEDEMIR: Right, remove the supports!
[whop]
[creak]
CROWD: A witch! A witch!
WITCH: It's a fair cop.
CROWD: Burn her! Burn! [yelling]
BEDEMIR: Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?
ARTHUR: I am Arthur, King of the Britons.
BEDEMIR: My liege!
ARTHUR: Good Sir knight, will you come with me to Camelot,
and join us at the Round Table?
BEDEMIR: My liege! I would be honored.
ARTHUR: What is your name?
BEDEMIR: Bedemir, my leige.
ARTHUR: Then I dub you Sir Bedemir, Knight of the Round Table.

The point being... Stop the witch hunt.
LFS Tweak could only do demo cars anyway. Mecanik could modify car types, but not individual cars.
KeiichiRX7
S2 licensed
I'll get it figured out after the session.

It may take a couple clicks one way or the other.

I'm not too worried about the FZR being a bit quicker, since it's a gas guzzler in the class.
KeiichiRX7
S2 licensed
Ok maybe it's the fact that i'm royally tired right now... but when's the qualifying? or is it just show up and race?

nevermiind, found it

now to find my bed
KeiichiRX7
S2 licensed
Quote from squidhead :"Buy a license or I'll kill your dog!"
like that?

That's still offering them a choice.

Liscence or dead dog? your choice
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