Quote from Knight_Atack :

I don't see how his post was spam...

...but anyways...

Just click his name and view all posts then you'll see what I'm talking about... I was replying here as I didn't see the point in replying twice in two other places when suggesting to him too calm his spamming down

Certinaly value for money when you compare it to real life. £24 wont even cover an entry fee in any event I've done

Quote from TyresHot :

good post, thanks, i will think..

If I was you I'd calm your spamming down You were banned for racking up a post every 2 mins over a couple of hours, you've been allowed back and your continuing to do it. Your average is 18.5 posts a day and climbing even with the day ban, and you've only been here a week

http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=132137

You have to be kidding me, Mr Brawn should really shut up after ordering the Ferrari powered car of Norberto Fontana's to hold Jacque up at Jerez 97.

Keiran

Quote from Hoellsen :

Right. Thats why Fisi finished ahead of Alonso and wasn't told to "save the engine". Come on, you are making it yourself way too easy.

You are talking about Sepang, right? illepall

Very rarely does a race these days, even when they didn't have to make an engine last the whole race do they push to the end. Fisi did everything right and won the race, where's the point in pushing your two cars to the end? It's hardly team orders, and it's child play to the sort of orders Ferrari have done and will do if it takes that approach to win the championship.

Really can't see how this can even be compared to the way Ferrari have fixed things and thus Mr Brawn should really shut his mouch about China. Driving side by side to block? Yea right, the only hint of Fisi helping Alonso was when he let him re-take the position on the exit. Then when he made it easy for Alonso to pass down the back straight.

Reading Brawns comments you'd have thought Renault were driving side by side the whole lap blocking the track illepall

Keiran

Didn't Victor already answer this ages ago and said there wont be any `tuning` ?

As Tristan said it's a waste of time, everyone will use the same and it will make it hard for new people. They may think they are worse than they actually are and get fed up of the game.

What matters to me is good, close and equal racing. So that if I'm beat or I beat someone else I know I/they were the better driver not because they had some fancy super duper bits I couldn't `afford`.

Keiran

Good luck with whatever you go onto do.

LFS World is a brilliant resource and I think I can safely say is unrivalled. I had never seen anything like it before and I think you've set the standards very high with the access to pubstats.

So a huge thanks for LFS World without it the LFS experience would only be half what it's today.

Keiran

Quote from Hoellsen :

When exactly was MSC lapped at Hungary? If my memory serves me correctly, the safety car saved him from being lapped.
I don't doubt that Alonso was brillant in the beginning stages of the race, I simply have no memory of him lapping MSC in that race.



So you are rather lied to than being openly told what game is played? (and see the comments I wrote on this in a different thread: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=230921#post230921)

On the topic of Alonso insulting his team: The things he tells the media in Spain and then what he says on race weekends seem to differ quite a bit all the time. This started with "MS is the most unsporting guy in history", of which a radio transcript does exist and then he goes on "nonono, I was misunderstood, I said Zidane was the better sportsman" and now the sabotage accusations which all of a sudden don't exist anymore. Either Spanish media always and no matter who they are invent interviews with him or he should choose his interview partners more carefully or he simply speaks, as the native American would say, with two tungs. I suspect the latter.
Sources: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/54924
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/54926

Oh, and just why did you leave out the first sentence in his answer? His answer starts with "I think it's a difficult question" which tells more than just one story about his attitude. And just for the reason you want sources, here you get one as well, the official transcript of the press conference: http://www.formula1.com/race/news/5068/768.html

Quote :

Fernando Alonso expressed his surprise at the media furore surrounding his comments in Thursday’s press conference and stressed that there were no problems between him and Renault.

In a team statement released after free practice for the Japanese Grand Prix, the world champion denied that he had fallen out with Renault after saying he had felt “abandoned” by Giancarlo Fisichella and the team twice this season.

“I was surprised by the strong reaction to what I said yesterday in the press conference,” he said.

“I expressed very clearly that these were only my personal feelings, and that I completely understand and accept the team’s decisions.

“Last night, I explained that to the team and to Fisi, and there is no problem.”

Alonso went on to emphasise Renault’s sense of unity ahead of a crucial championship weekend in Suzuka, adding that everyone in the team was determined to ensure that both driver and constructor titles were retained.

“Every single person at Renault is fighting to the maximum to win the championship,” he said.

“I don’t know what people see from the outside, but within the team, we have a fantastic atmosphere right now.

“And we are determined to come out on top

That was from the media.

I quoted parts relevant to what I was talking about. You can clearly see Alonso is frustrated and it shows when he says something like "I don't know, I don't know."

From the pre race conference you can see how easily it would be to take any of his sayings out of context and put it under a header, "Alonso slams team over title sabotage", which is not what he is doing at all.

Lied to? Renault didn't drive side by side to block the track. Fisi overtook him and let Alonso back through again. Eventually Fisi overtook him once and for all. I can bet the team didn't have to say anything to Fisi over the radio, he most likely did it with the knowledge he was given before the race and used his head, who is fighting for the title? From all the years of team play by Ferrari I'm pretty sure they'd have continued to make Massa hold up the Renaults and not run off while Schumacher was struggling.

Fact is Ferrari always let Schumacher win when there was no need, the ironic part of the Austria GP is when they radio Rubens and say "for the championship" but the championship wasn't even close. Had Ferrari been in the position the Renault were in at Sepang I'm confident they'd have told Massa to let Schumacher win for the `championship`, Renault let there two drivers battle it out and Fisi won.

The Schumacher is the most unsporting driver article contradicted it's self hugely, so me thinks some reporter decided to stick two interviews together:

Quote from f1racing.net :

The Spaniard did, however, admit how much he enjoyed the opportunity to race against the seven-time Worl Champion.

"That doesn't mean he hasn't been the best driver, and fighting against him has been an honour and a pleasure," Alonso said.

Alonso has a two point lead over Schumacher with only three races to go this season but disagrees with his Team Principal Flavio Briatore that a run of decisions against the Renault team has gifted Schumacher the drivers' title.

"I don't agree with Flavio. They haven't given the title to Schumacher already. It's true there have been a lot of decisions against some and in favour of other but that's it."

Quote from Vykos69 :

Wasn't it him, who took first turn a "bit" wide? And who was overtaken by MS in great manner? Sure, he was fast in the beginning, but as said by his chief technician, it was him, who saw his worn down front left tire and wanted new ones.

Oh, and did I say, MS is my hero? never did say that. The difference between you and me keiran is easy: You're an Alonso fanboy, I am not a MS fanboy.

Took the first turn wide? At Hungary? Schumacher started in front of Alonso at Hungary. In China no one overtook Alonso upto his first stop... Really got no idea what your on about

Who said it wasn't him who asked for the new tyres? Your changing your tune totally, from claiming Alonso is a tyre destroyer and not providing any strong argument than simply he seemingly `sux`. Yet if he `sux` then all the drivers he has beaten, which is all of them `sux` as well.

Alonso fanboy? I don't support the guy but I admire what he has achieved at such a young age and I think his driving style is awesome in its own right. Not a Schumacher fanboy? So far you've been full of too much BS and not enough facts to support saying the youngest World Champion and the only one bringing the fight to Schumacher, `sux`.

That shows me who the fanboy is when your saying his nearest competitor `sux` :rolleyes: As much as I don't like Schumacher I'd never say he `sux` as that is simply utter rubbish. I don't think any of the drivers on that grid `sux` they've all had to climb various ladders to get there and did so on merit.

Quote from Vykos69 :

yep, good point.

Oh, still wondering here, why no one starts moaning about Renault team-order in china. Maybe cause there was no such sentence as "Giancarlo, let fernando pass for the championship, let fernando pass for the championship" :P Or maybe just the fact, that it's not Ferrari... :P

keiran, have you seen alonso drive live once? And if you dont like to see the fact, that in extreme circumstances (really hot, strange wet-to-dry weather or any different weather) he messes it up. Always with his style of driving, then go on. From the ppov of ergonomic and smooth driving, he simply sux big time.

Maybe because the championship is actually coming to an end and Fisi stands no chance in winning it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... ;mode=related&search=

That was just insulting and with so little reason to do it. The championship wasn't exactly close illepall

I've seen Alonso drive live many a time and watched him drive road cars. His style and initial aggression on corner entry is brilliant to watch and as I've stated I couldn't never drive with so much understeer.

Doesn't work in extreme conditions what a load of Bull, really this is funny to read, do you really claim to watch the sport called Formula One? Or do you own some rose (Schumacher coloured?) tinted glasses :rolleyes:

You've yet to produce sufficient evidence towards your claims and please oh please how can you claim someone who has made it to F1, won races, taken pole positions and is the youngest to win the WDC in a car built with a budget that's pocket money to Ferraris and McLarens.

Again Alonso made one set of tyres last whole GPs last year in extreme hot conditions to cool conditions and has had no problems this year. Renault as a team have suffered tyre problems but both drivers suffered the same fate, or does Alonso's style rub off on Fisi?

He was mighty at Hungary in the extreme conditions (guess you refuse to view the video I posted of that? Too much irony in watching the so called `sux` driver pass your hero?) and passed your good mate Schumacher around the outside, then had to do so again when he went to lap him as the dirty unsporting driver was defending under the waved blue flags.

Then we move to China, Alonso dominated in the wet conditions (6 tenths quicker in qualifying than 2nd place man in the same car) at the start. He dominated in the tricky drying conditions where one mistake would drag you right off the road, he set 15-20 laps with nearly a fastest lap in each one if not at least a fastest sector.

Then onto the start of his career in Mindardi where he was pretty damn impressive.

This is also why you should source your F1 news from reliable sources :rolleyes:

Official Pre race conference
Q: (Ed Gorman - The Times) Fernando, do you still believe that there are people within the Renault Formula One team who don’t want you to win the drivers’ championship?
FA: All the team, all the people, are really focused for the championship and anyway we have been leading both championships all season nearly and now the last two races all the people is motivated and the atmosphere inside the team is just super and it’s the last two races of me in the team as well and every single person in the team is just focused on the championship.

Q: (Ed Gorman - The Times) But you did say, or appeared to say, exactly that in China - that there were people in the team who you believed did not want you to win the drivers’ championship, but that they do want to win the Constructors’…
FA: No, not… For sure, for the team, (it) is more important the constructors, but they want to win them both. For sure…

Keiran

Last edited by keiran, Thu 5 Oct 2006, 20:00.

Quote from SamH :

I've paid for 2 S2 licences via Paypal so far, and both of them were processed within about 40 minutes. Money orders obviously will take longer, but I'd imagine the account would be upgraded just about immediately upon receipt.

http://www.lfsforum.net/showth ... ghlight=paypal#post203393

Paypal is automated these days going by what Victor has said.

Quote from Gabkicks :

they just dont call it it shanghai. they just give the tracks non official names and dont get in trouble... why cant lfs do the same? i aleady answered this question but i am tired and cant remember the answer...

That's still technically dodgy and I don't think they'd get off with that if someone took them to court.

Technically thats just like taking anything in the world and changing the name of it. ISI can't claim they are not selling the items either as they are part of the package which they are selling.

Keiran

Quote from Vykos69 :

china, first stint. It was his impression, that he killed the tires, and needed new. And I honestly think (from the looks) that he actually really killed them

Oh.. Hockenheim this year. remember? it was too hot for the michelins, and bang: alonso was the michelin with the biggest probs. fisicho, kimi, button been faster.

Besides that, I simply DONT like the fact, that this style is fast. Cause it isnt imho as skillful as Kimi, fisicho, button, michael handle their cars, and go smooth around the corners. I also do hope that this will show up even more in next year, with same tires everywhere, a new car for him and prolly his teammate (if it will be hamilton), and that will end in some probs for him (beside the biggest prob of merc reliability).

when seeing button or especially Kimi LIVE, being able to watch every lap how he turns in and moves the car, made me really really apreciate his skills. This great skill should be honoured asap with a championship imho.

Post race conference with Pat:

Q: The crucial call came at Fernando's first stop, when you decided to change both front tyres. How did you make that decision?
PS: As always with these things, it was a team decision. Fernando radioed in to say that the front left tyre was very badly worn. He makes good judgement calls, and we are very confident in the information he gives us. On the pit-wall, we knew that changing to new tyres would carry a performance penalty as he went through a phase of graining and the tyres scrubbed in, but we did not expect it to be anything like as bad as it proved. We simply got it wrong.

Q: Fernando, no doubt a frustrating day for you: that large lead in the early phase of the race and it all changed for you when you changed the fronts at the first pit stop.
Fernando Alonso: Yeah, we had a good start and a good 15 or 20 laps and then we decided to change the front tyres because it was nearly a slick tyre, the left front, and that didn’t turn out to be a good thing to do because Giancarlo and Michael left their tyres and they caught me really quickly, and the gap disappeared. After that, we were at a disadvantage. We took the risk, we obviously pitted and we tried to put on dry tyres to try and find a miracle but it was too late.

Why this is still continuing god only knows If you want I'll go find pictures off the net from both Fisi's and Alonso's pitstops, the tyres were in much and such the same condition. The only thing that went wrong was a bad call from Alonso and the team, shit happens. Everyone makes mistakes, the team and Alonso probably thought they had enough of a gap to justify taking a risk but it just didn't work.

I just can't understand this `Alonso kills tyres` remarks when he has driven like that for years. He made his tyres last full GPs last year and if memory serves me right the only tyre killer that year was Kimi when he put a major flat spot on it and in turn broke the suspension.

Watching onboard Alonso's car is awesome and especially in battles with other drivers. It's yet to hamper his career and he has won many championships with it and that includes an F1 title.

I've admired Kimi's driving style for years but I find your reason so pathetic for disliking Alonsos. If his style is fast what's wrong with that? If we all acted the same and did everything the same there wouldn't be a point in competing. Alonso looks very in control of his car all the time, he is the only driver that really hangs the thing out on the warm-up lap yet he hasn't spun doing so.

I just can't understand why you can't accept that this is the way Alonso drives and it works for him. You don't have to like his style but to say that you don't like how he can driver fast like that is a bit pathetic. Guess it's actually a compliment to him since it seems an impossible task to drive like he does, quickly judging by your posts . He has got himself up the F1 ladder quicker than Button has and in turn got stastics that Button can only dream of having.

Your exaggerating slightly about Hockenheim illepall 6 seconds behind Button and about 10 seconds behind Kimi. So for `big` tyre trouble as you put it then he did damn well to stay that close. So far for the guy whos `always got tyre troubles`, you could only come up with one race.

You don't get to where Alonso is or any WDC without driving skill and talent.

Quote from tristancliffe :

Well, after this year neither Schumi or Alonso will win another championship, so it's the swansong for both of them.

Alonso seems to kill his rear tyres actually. This is probably by having bucket loads of understeer and a very aggressive TC set up. This probably causes the tyres to load/unload in such a way that knackers them. Iirc he ruined his rears at a couple of races last year, and a couple this year too.

So in these races why does Fisi also knacker his rear tyres?

I can't remember a race where Alonso has suffered rear tyre problems and Fisi hasn't.

I wouldn't count out McLaren they've won before and they can do so again. They have the money to throw at it and you never know the new group of drivers, most likely Lewis joining Fernando they might have a bit more motivation.

When you hear the rough budgets it's amazing to see Renaults which is like pocket money to there competitors. Haven't heard anything this year but last years showed how well Renault worked to do what they did on the budget they had.

I'm hoping for a strong RBR challenge next year, Coulthard for the championship

Just push hard, that's the mistake so many people make when they do any sort of track stuff.

I remember reading that some guy bought himself a performance car (can't remember the brand) and complained that he couldn't drive it quickly without it spinning. They got him down to a track and put him out, measured the temperature of the tyres and sent off there driver who found nothing wrong with the car. Measured the temperature of the tyres and they were a lot higher, bet that guy was embarrassed at being shown up as a bad driver

Hire karts generally use very hard compounds so you need to push them hard. Do what many people do and drive slowly trying to build there pace up and say hello to an embarrassing spin when you start trying to push.

Another thing to do is remember you can use the brake to set the kart up into the corner. If it's understeering you can use the brake pedal along with the steering wheel to introduce a bit of oversteer but don't over do it or you'll spin

I'll be doing a race in a couple weeks time hopefully, and all going to plan I'll get to race my Dad again We've both raced before, my Dad with a lot more experience in various types of racing but never on the track at the same time until a few months ago. Was awesome fun and turned out to be a great finale with us two battling hard.

Quote from Vykos69 :

keiran: Alonso wanted new tires, that's what he and his team said. Cause they were worn down. So this was his "wrong" decision in the first place which caused the bad balance after it. Even if they discussed it in the team etc.

Besides that, I dont know if you have seen him drive, but in extraordinary surroundings he kills his fronts more than any other driver, and he's the one driver who needs the TC the most. I just dont like that style, and I am happy, that drivers with more smooth feel for the car show in those extraordinary circumstances, that they are superior.
Alonso for me is like an AI. Coded for a typical range of weather. If the real weather goes outside this, he's dropping down in terms of performance.

the last pitstop - even if made faster - wouldnt have helped him to get MS, cause MS was clearly slowing down in last 5 laps, and being about 0.5 to 1 sec faster isnt enough to overtake.

Alonso was so pissed, cause he knew, that it was part his mistake, to want new tires etc. Why dont you accept, what he says?

I'm so looking forward to next season, when those "I hate schu, that's why I love eyebrows" guys will get a good time by hoping for a Race-lasting McLaren :P

When did I say it wasn't Alonso's fault on changing the front tyres? You blamed his driving style not his decision making, so you've changed your tune.

The team and him came to the decision and if you had read what he said they thought the tyres were too bald to continue for another 15-20laps and that the new set would come to him within a few laps. Two laps latter the team decided after viewing the laptimes and feedback from Alonso to leave Fisis on. Alonsos and Fisis front tyres from the TV images were in similar conditions, yet in 15-20laps Alonso had gone 20odd seconds quicker. So Fisi must eat front tyres if they are in a similar condition to Alonsos and he goes slower...

LOL Alonso is amazing in the wet. His style certainly rewards him well in wet conditions where the car understeers a lot more, he really works the heat into the front wets something he showed when he was the first one out on dry tyres. He was the only driver who pushed the car and it showed.

Hungary GP - Alonso dominates the opening laps with his terrible driving style
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnm6BAcpEXE

The argument of Alonso needing the most TC is pathetic as well, the fastest laps are done when TC isn't bogging the car down. Besides that Alonso has raced many, many racing cars without TC and I bet F1 was probably the place he first drove a car with TC.

You do realise that Alonso's first year in F1 was without TC? And he drove that Minardi fantastically.

Alonso would still have been in with a shout of winning, he was catching the whole last 20laps or so and at an incredible rate. He looked the most comfortable driver out there setting new fastest sectors and laps on his way, his consistency was amazing.

My question still stands and you've yet to answer it, you name a race where he has been responsible for `killing` his front tyres. He managed to make his tyres last whole races last year and was one of the most consistent drivers of the grid.


On the topic of Button, meh. He will need a car advantage to ever become a champion. His race craft when it comes to defending is so poor, may as well pull over and wave them past. He was very lucky that the Honda B team driver just managed to "forget" to let Nick passed and held him up nearly the whole lap.

If Schumacher slowed in the final 20laps then he is very lucky that the rain didn't come a few minutes later as he'd have just throwen away a race victory, thus I don't believe Schumacher didn't push up till the last few laps. I doubt there will be any problems with Alonso's engine next race, cool conditions and it was only reving to between 18-19k,the usual for a race. It's amazing how people change there tune, "oh Montoya is such an idiot he should have pushed Alonso right to the end of the race, he might have won it" Yet when someone does do it he turns out to be an idiot... Had Schumacher had a problem or made a mistake he may have taken the win, something they had to push for.

Keiran

Last edited by keiran, Mon 2 Oct 2006, 17:09.

Quote from Clownpaint :

Vykos is saying that it was Alonso's fault for even needing the tyres in the first place, and I would be inclined to agree.

Alonso has this horrible habit of "digital steering" as Vykos named it. He goes over full lock and understeers into corners, at almost every GP.

How's it a habit? Sorry but that's his driving style and he has done it for many, many years. He adapted that technique before he even entered F1 and it works for him and works brilliant in the wet.

It's his style and it obviously works for him very well otherwise how would he be so fast and consistent? Surely the tyre killing Alonso would drop off the pace over the stints quite rapidly in comparison to his competitors?

Personally I don't think I could drive quickly with that much understeer, I just don't think it would suit me so I find it amazing how he makes it work for himself. I just wish there was a camera down by his feet to see how he works the brake pedal along with his understeery style.

Why do people think Alonso needed new tyres? He needed tyres in the first place to get moving cP From what Alonso has said they changed the tyres because they were almost bald. They thought that within a couple of laps the new tread would wear down and give him the same performance as before, problem is it just didn't work. Fisi pitted two laps latter and the team knew clearly that was the wrong decision. Alonso's tyres were no worse than Fisis so does Fisi also drive with `digital` steering? Then when you consider Alonso was like 20odd seconds down the road within 15-20laps you'd think Alonso's tyre would have been a lot worse than his team mates.

On the theory of Alonso's team deliberately costing him the title that's utter bollocks. You give me video/crediable media source of Alonso saying this, thats harsh words and would be all over the media as thats the sort of storys that sell. It's not just a title Renault win it's a marketing tool, they have the title of the best car manufacture in the world. It will increase sales and give them the premier spot in the pitlane and if mind serves me correctly bigger garages. The FIA have played a controversial part in the finale and along with some very rare bad luck for Renault it's falling away from them. I think Alonso looks more pumped up than ever and am looking forward to the final two races, all be it artificially created by the FIA.

Will Schumacher resort to 97 sort of tactics...

Keiran

Last edited by keiran, Sun 1 Oct 2006, 20:56.

Quote from Vykos69 :

I ask one question:

Why did Alonso needed new fronts, while fisicho didnt?

Ah right, might be his "digital" full lock steering style... So that was imho not a bad luck day from the pitcrew or whatever, he messed it up by killing his tires, cause he simply CANT drive saving tires. If he now claims "tires didnt work at the middle etc." you have to question him: Why did Fisichos work? Why couldnt he save his tires? He wont have an answer to this, cause seeing own mistakes is not something the big champions do easily (MS too...)

Renault and Alonso made an error on tyre choice. The tyres were burning up and they thought by giving Alonso new tyres it would help him, had it rained again it would have. But in the end it didn't work. Correct me if I'm wrong but Alonso pitted before Fisi and thus was able to relay information back to the team... Fisi is well off the pace of Alonso so how can you even compare the wear of the tyres. What was it, 20odd seconds of a gap when he pitted over his team mate.

Second of all the wheel nut did cost him the race, even with him losing his 25second lead he would have managed to win the race. The mechanic fecked up and cross threaded it, if he is the same guy that messed up in Hungary then I hope he gets the boot.

Alonso's driving style is awesome and was 1-2seconds a lap faster than the "oh so great one". He drives with so much understeer and just makes it work. He must adapt to wet pretty easily. It kicked Fisi's ass and does so every time they sit in the car, what was it eight tenths in qualifying? He pushed so hard in the final 20laps or so and just was in a class of his own, one little mistake in that constant attack of fastest laps.

I ask you this, when has Alonso ever had front tyre problems in his Formula One, infact his entire career that have been caused by his driving?

Quote from foofighter :

oh yes, alonso is such a nice guy and clean racer ... u may remember this for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjSFWc9jpFg

I'm a Coulthard fan and even I can tell whos in the wrong there. Coulthard was half asleep and before he knows it he is heading for the back of the Renault. Coulthard takes an age to realise that Alonso is slowing and then reacts stupidly, he should have throw it down the inside but he was off in a world of his own. From the very start of that video Alonso is slowing, now why doesn't Coulthard realise this early enough that he can actually do something about it?

Believe me you don't want to go down the route of trying to name whos the dirtiest driver out there as you'll find there's a lot of video evidence out there that makes what you call dirty driving from Alonso, look like childs play.

Keiran

Last edited by keiran, Sun 1 Oct 2006, 18:47.

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It's part of sim racing, the fact our left and right works to a full 90 degrees is enough. 90% of the time I know where the other car is, 10% of the time it's down to poor judgement or blindzone that would be there in real life that catches me out.

How hard is it to tap the left/right button when braking for a corner etc? I didn't even need to get used to doing that, I just do it...

Keiran

I'm also interested in the GP2 season but need more information on day/time etc.

Keiran

Yes James' post is uncalled for, well the tone of it anyway if it's not meant sarcastically but the question to be asked is does Faster111 bring it on himself?

Socially would you act like Faster111 in the real world? No, and I doubt he does either. From his previous posts I gather he is at/going to college and I very much doubt he'll be asking every 2mins for help and then refusing to take the help given onboard because he thinks differently etc. That's unsocial behaviour in my books and he was never as to my knowledge told by an moderators to either take the advice or don't bother asking and wasting others time trying to help. Please don't take this as a comment against the moderators, from what I've seen you lot are as fair as you can get but it's just a point that there's two sides to the story. This isn't a personal attack at Faster111 but an observation.

There are people in the `real` world who are bullied for things which they can't help and that is just plain wrong, no question of that, but then you also have the people who bring it on themselves. What Faster111 does isn't something which I'd class as can't be helped, it's just not how he'd act in the real world amongst his friends or fellow students at college. Even his spelling can be helped by typing his posts up in a program with a spell checker, I do that most of the time and even though my spelling isn't all that bad it just means I can learn from my mistakes.

I really think that a moderator should maybe PM Faster111 and tell him to calm it down when he posts and think whether it's worth posting. A perfect example was when he posted a replay saying he got the WR when he wasn't close, even people fighting for the WRs don't do this and it's because where is the need? Would you go off phoning all your friends saying you won the lottery even though you hadn't checked your ticket against the winning numbers?

I don't want to enter into a long debate about Faster111 but this is my opinion on the whole situation he seems to create and I don't think I'm alone. In this case the tone of James' post was uncalled for but in most cases I've seen been `cracked` down on if you like, I can't help but feel Faster111 brings it on himself.

Keiran

Quote from Madman_CZ :

cut faster111 some slack guys! He is trying, even if he was to get 1 or 2 new people introduced to lfs that would be a result! I however think that the LFS word will continue to spread on its own at a steady pace without the need to go out and SHOUT LFS!

atleast hes trying and it may get some new people signed up to s2 which is a good thing IMHO..

stop shooting him down all the time!

mad

Well to be quite honest he creates his own problems

If every one of us created a thread for the things he does the forum would just be a mess. No offence to Faster111 meant but if his spelling and grammar he uses to advertise the game on other forums is like it is here then I'd not bother reading past the title.

It just comes across as `chav`, `too cool` for school etc, that's the first thought that would spring in to my mind about the community advertised.

Keiran

Quote from Speed Soro :

I want more tracks. Simples as that.

6 tracks is not enough. We have got championships here, with always the same 6 tracks...

Thats the poorest excuse I've ever came across. Most real life championships go to the same tracks time after time after time, every so often they introduce a new one but in a whole a lot of them go to the same tracks.

LFS has more than 6 tracks, I define a track as including all the different layouts as in the end they are different layouts.

With a bit of imagination I don't think it's to hard to come up with a championship with different tracks each season...

Quote from AndRand :

in fact im just wondering how do you train parachute failure recovery?
at what speed? 250mph? 200 mph? 150? 100?

People keep talking about parachutes but as far as I'm aware the Vampire only has one. Otherwise that would be a terrible design as I can't imagine parachutes unfolding at the exact same time.

Had it been a parachute it would have been very easily identified by the crew watching on. My gut feeling is suspension failure or most likely a puncture. At them sorts of speeds I can't begin to imagine how much pressure must be pressing on them tyres.

Keiran

Quote from faster111 :

i got one only on the pc i dont go out becuase gangs hang out around my area

Bit off topic but meh, there was never a topic as everyone who has S2 knows it's `cool`

Do you not get bored of sitting communicating through phone lines and playing games most of the day? Can't imagine how bad it must be for you physically to just spend your whole time on a computer if that's what you class as your social life

I think I'd be driven insane from being isolated from the world.

I guess that news programme I saw earlier in the week was truer than I thought, that some people are addicted to gaming and computers in general to the extent where they have no real social life :s Some kids would throw tantrums if they didn't get to play there games etc, some even committed suicide :/