Quote from Mustafur :

Washed up F1 racer FTL

He crashed on lap 1 of his Canadian NASCAR debut

Quote from Mustafur :

Well no actually, alot of drivers have been using 1 engine for over 2 races.

And what happens when you have about 2 engines left and with more than 7 races to go?

Quote from Mustafur :

No one would Retire on purpose if they where in 7th place becuase thats still Points!

Each track is different anyway, just becuase you retire at a certian track doesn't make you good at the next the car maybe isn't suited to it.

I never said anyone who was 7th or 8th or out of points should retire on purpose. But, do the math, I'm pretty sure that within two races, 10-6 points is a lot better than 4 even if within that 10-6 points there's a DNF.

Also, we're talking about engines and gearbox integrity. Not really about the car itself

Quote from 5haz :

But to finish first, first you have to finish, also you have to be in it to win it.

Rick Mears said that but he said that in reference to CART and ovals (i think it was after the 500 he said that but idk).

In F1, to finish first you first have to qualify first

Quote from BlueFlame :

Well what would they rather the drivers do score points in 1 out of two races or dnf in both? That's why Hamilton wanted to save, he knows he can get more than what he had then, if he saved the engine.

As I've said before....with the new rule it's better to finish < 6th and a DNF than to have two > 6th finishes. Just the way F1 is now these days.

Last edited by lizardfolk, Thu 23 Jul 2009, 00:49.

Not true.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/ ... s-usf1-deal-imminent.html

I wish I could see Jeff Gordon atleast get a shot

It's not going to happen though...

Quote from 5haz :

Just because the rules are laid a certain way dosen't mean you have to think that way too, the current rules mean that the F1 field has become a bunch who can take the easy way out and give up easily, the rules may encourage that but that can't stop me from thinking that its not right.

Yes but adapting to the rules will certainly give you an advantage to those who decides to be stubborn and thus ruin their own race for the sake of "being in the spirit of racing".

Taking the advantage in an F1 championship or being stubborn for sake of the nobility of racing?

You can adapt to the new crappier rules and still fight to have it removed on the admin side. But fighting for it on the track will really make no difference. The only thing you'll manage to do is to short change your next race's potential. IDK about you but as a driver I'd much rather have a DNF then a podium or win than two straight 7ths....

Quote from Mustafur :

ok i may sound like all im doing right now is prasing Webber, but look at Australia this year.

after the first corner collison he continued on driving and even though with a damaged car he ended up finishing the race, i mean is it as simple as that?

Webber received a drive through penalty. Hamilton dropped like a rock when he received that puncture. Different circumstances.

I think I posted in the wrong section, but I'm not sure where to post this so...here I go.

Is there an insim or program that restricts how many laps a person can do on a server?

Is there a way to monitor how many laps a person did on a server?

Sorry for the noob questions

Quote from 5haz :

"Its the rules so thats how it should be done", I'm glad not everybody on the planet has this laissez-faire (pardon moi francais) attitude because if we did we'd still be living as cavemen. The engine rules should be abolished so that teams can rebuild or replace engines or gearboxes whenever they like, then drivers will have no excuse to get the maximum possible out of the car from start to finish.

So what do you want me to do...? Just sit there and complain? I dont like the current rules and I'm not defending them. I'm merely saying that with these rules this course of action is the most sensible. like it or not that's the fact

I dont run F1, and if I had a chance to influence F1 I would do everything in my power to change it. But I dont, and just constantly complaining about it is not going to chance it either.

But the rules isn't up for debate. Hamilton is. Let me repeat: Hamilton wanted to do the sensible thing under the current rules by wanting to park the car and save the engine and for that he doesn't deserve bashing.

If he was "bored driving" or performing antics to throw a tantrum, then he deserve bashing. But he didn't (as far as i saw)

It's really quite simple idk why I have to point this out.

Quote from 5haz :

What Hamilton did was valid under the current rules, but the rules, and what Hamilton did are both against the spirit of what sprint racing should be all about, if the rules werent so crap then Hamilton would have no excuse not to try his hardest.

If if if if if....but it's not. Read my first response....

Last edited by lizardfolk, Wed 22 Jul 2009, 20:05.

Quote from Mustafur :

well, yes.

Dammit....I feel sad now

Quote from Mustafur :

In part you can blame these rules, but really the driver shouldn't be asking his team to park it, that imo means things are not going your way so why bother racing?

For example say this was hamiltons first race, and he was out there to try prove himself in F1 put in the same situation i can garentee he would be too scared to even question why he should be still racing.

But see, that's a whole different set of circumstances. You cant take one absolute ideal and just arbitrarily apply it to every situation.

I dont like the drive and park attitude that many people have in all categories of motorsports and thankfully it's still a minority. HOWEVER, you cannot deny that in some, even many, circumstance it is the better and sensible course of action.

Drivers operate on an overall basis now and since there's really no difference between a retirement and a 7th place. Why ruin the next race's potential at a podium or win?

Quote from Vain :

Actually, the way I see it, in WTCC, BTCC, V8, GP2 and every bike racing series I can think of people tend to fight over 10th place just as hard, or even harder, than the folks at the top. Really, I've never seen a driver give up without the actual need to do so unless it was a WTCC race where they wanted to repair the car before the second race.

But see? that's pretty midfield. I'm not talking about midfield. I'm talking about backmarkers or people who have completely FUBARed their race. Have you ever wondered why there are sometimes random retirements at the back end of the field? I remember a V8 race with 4 retirements in 1 lap (all last of course) without so much as an accident or any mention of engine problems.

Quote from 5haz :

Well then why do the drivers outside the top 5 even bother starting the bloody race? After all they have a diminished chance of winning, so why don't they just skip the race in order to save their engines and gearboxes for when they have a better chance?

Indeed why dont they?

Quote from 5haz :

Thats the problem with the engine rules and this attitude that a lot of people seem to have, the whole point of a race is to drive your car as fast as possible in an attempt to finish the race length before other competitors, if you are holding back because you are well down the grid then you are not racing and might as well have never showed up!

F1 doesnt remove points for DNFs and only the top 6 get points. Hamilton had a pretty good car, it showed in pre-race. So...he race and car was basically ruined but the engine and gearbox wasn't. The more he stays on the track the more there's the potential to ruin the car furthur.

If he finished last 1 lap down or finished 7th it really doesn't make a difference does it? I mean, fight and put strain on your engine and end up 7th....OR retire, save the enging and come to the next round with a very good car that might give him the podium if not the win.....

Sensible...simple...

Quote from 5haz :

In times past we saw spectacular fight backs from way down the grid, drivers like Fangio, Rosberg, Mansell, Senna and Watson (and others), and that was part of what made F1 racing spectacular. This was partly because the top teams could afford to have their engines and gearboxes rebuilt or replaced between races, drivers didn't have to worry about preserving engines when they had nothing to lose.

That was then, this is now.

Quote from 5haz :

Now because of the engine rules nobody can be bothered to actually race unless they have a top 5 position virtually handed to them on a plate, that isn't what motor racing is all about.

That is a matter or opinion but the fact is...the rule is in place and this is how F1 is to operate...Of course I'm not saying I like this. I always get irritated when guys show up in NASCAR and just drive 2 laps and retire. But unfortunately that's just how some people operate and the current situation states that this action may even be beneficial. You cant deny that.

Quote from 5haz :

Yes every F1 driver should drive like they are fighting for the lead, because essentialy they are all fighting for the lead, if you go into a race not wanting to win, even if there is little chance of it, then you should question why you even bother racing.

There's a difference between not wanting to win and being realistic. I remember Kimi had said that Ferrarri doesnt have a chance at a win and a podium is realistic. Do you consider this defeatism? What do you tell Toro Rosso or Force India? Should everyone be given the "motivational" speech that maybe JUST MAYBE if you believe in yourself then you might overcome Brawn and Red Bull and get a win?

No...each team fights to better for it's own circumstance. It is NEVER to fight for a win or sometimes even fighting the guy in front of you. It's always to better the circumstance anyway possible. If that means to retire to save the engines? Then so be it. It's boring for the spectators to see. But it is the sensable thing to do.

Quote from 5haz :

You don't get respect for giving up or holding back, but you do get respect for trying your hardest.

No one is saying he deserves respect for wanting to call it a day. But all we are saying is that it isn't necessarily a reason to bash.

The Qualifying ticker will be used for oval races as well (both Kyoto and Autocross short ovals). Is that a major problem?

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This argument is pretty hilarious. The phrase "giving up" has a bad connotation to it HOWEVER, it really is pretty much calling it a day. But why is that exactly a bad thing

Should an overly determined driver always be a better driver? I certainly dont think so. Sure a good driver as a well motivated driver. But if your race is absolutely FUBAR then i see absolutely no reason why anyone should go on an all out kamikaze run trying desperately to catch some places.

Racing is trauma to the car. Something most people forget. Driving absolutely as fast as possible, breaking as late as possible, jerking the car back and forth around a very intense and technically challenging track.

I can understand the contempt if Hamilton was second and he just said "aww screw it, let's park it." I can understand the contempt if Hamilton wanted to park it while in 7th place. But Hamilton wanted to park it after his race was FUBAR. Save the engine, save the gearbox and remove the possibility that a puncture or a crash can ruin the car. Why the hell is that so bad?

Apparantly, every F1 driver should drive like they are fighting for the lead? I've seen backmarkers is ALL motorsport who parks it when their race wasn't going anywhere. I've seen it in NASCAR, WTCC, V8 and Indy. But, oh nooooo.....god forbids that F1 has any drivers who wants to think ahead and possibly have the best car into the next round. :rolleyes:

Besides, the Hamilton's only shot at getting even close to a points finish was a massive pile up in F1...I'll let that speak for itself.

Quote from tristancliffe :

90% being all except team McLaren, who told him to carry on, not drive around slowly getting in the way with no interest in driving quickly.

Maybe you saw more than me (not sarcastic, I wasn't watching intently). But I didn't see Hamilton do any antics or "bored driving" which i HAVE seen people do before. The fact that he wanted to park it is absolutely no reason to bash him (read above post). HOWEVER, if he was making an arse of himself and throwing a tantrum cause the team told him to stay on the track. Then there's cause for the contempt.

I didn't see it. I only saw someone who wasn't interested...so what? A FUBAR race will do that to you It's true in any other top category motorsports or motorsports in general and F1 is no exception

Last edited by lizardfolk, Wed 22 Jul 2009, 18:44.

Ironic that you quoted a thread that I've created long ago but forgot

Anyways, Nakajima, Sato and Suzuki never had any wins. Does this mean that an asian has never won before in the history of F1?

I have another request...

Now...I know that Formula 1 had a LOT of Japanese drivers. I also do know that F1 had only 2 non-Japanese asian drivers. Prince Bira (Thailand, 1950) and Alex Yoong (Malaysia, 2002).

I would like to know who was the most successful asian driver to date? Takuma Sato?

Well i need the graphics. I actually need this program to broadcast a league qualifying it's not really for my own personal use.

So, I ask the community again. Can someone please create this program for me? It seems that it's half done already.

Actually, what's slightly more important to me is the place during quali. If you have a ticker that shows the live positions along with the live gap times (like 8th, 9th, 8th, 8th) I would be happy even with the large gaps between the tracks.

Although if it is possible to tighten it up I would of course prefer it to be tighter. but the live positions is what I'm actually aiming for

Very helpful tim. Thank you very much

You know...there's an attachment feature for a reason

Thought it'll be good to have a driver check thread for those who would like some specific information on a driver (or an obscure driver) that google or wikipedia might not be of help...So a thread where you can ask a question about any driver from any discipline of motorsports and, with the wide array of motorsport fans here, hopefully all inquiries will be answered

Now...on to the real reason why I created this thread

Before I go quoting everything, I would like to get a confirmation on Terry Labonte. NASCAR legend I believe.

Based on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Labonte#Other_Series

Labonte has won the 12h of Sebring and 24h of Daytona. I searched the sebring and daytona endu wiki pages and could not find Terry's name. I also looked at the Rolex/ALMS sites but they weren't very helpful either.

This article also states that Terry has won these two prestigious endurance events: http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Terry:Labonte.htm

However, I find it pecular that I cant find the exact year that he won these two events nor could I find the car/team that he drove to win it.

Can someone help me out? Is this infomation bad?

Thxs,
Lizard

P.S. I'm a bit google retarded so plz forgive me

Last edited by lizardfolk, Wed 22 Jul 2009, 08:41.

Quote from Silox :

Like Amp, I'm not volunteering to make this but I have an idea of how it could be made...

I have no experience with nodes and stuff, but what I was thinking of is this: (maybe someone with experience in nodes should review it and see if it's possible :$ + I never worked with an array with multiple objects so I would use a database for it)

You could, in an array with multiple objects, save the time for each player for each node and then compare it with your time, sort by time and you have your racing position at that time. At that way you can compare the split between you and the racer in front of you / in the back of you with their time they had on that node.

The array would look like this:

• Racer (string) - Node 1 (in milliseconds) - Node 2 - Node ...
  
• Tom - 12500 - 156413 - ...
  
• John - 2364 - 156131 - ...
  

This could get a bit much for a computer to handle, especially a computer like mine, because if you race with 20 racers on a huge track which has a lot of nodes, your array would just explode.

While writing this, I'm thinking of a client side InSim I downloaded a few months ago to race on the oval... I think it was called LFSRelax and is made by Gai-Luron. I think this also had a real time split between you, the racer in front and the racer behind you.

This is almost exactly what I had in my mind as well.

Can someone please create this live gap timing? It doesnt need to be anything fancy just some stats that display when you are driving (or spectating someone) that shows where you are in regards to the qualifying field on the track.

Excuse me, burnsy,

Can this be used when spectating other people without having their LFS be directly connected to mine?

Quote from Electric Eye :

Tattoos are stupid...

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/40919/

Was interested in it but I never got the PS2

Still wish I could have played it though me being a furry :P

Quote from Mackie The Staggie :

Tragic accident which re-enforces the dangers of motor-racing and that what ever is done to make it safer, there is still the risk of serious injury or death.

As Greg Moore once said: "you'll never be able to make race cars completely safe. Things happen at speed."