Like I said before, if they care enough to lock threads and ban people all the time, they're probably still interested in LFS.
If they really stopped caring, they'd probably stop spending money on servers for it.

Quote from the_angry_angel :

Like the naturalpoint TrackIR? Or the fact that there's a whole, documented, supported API for manipulating the game that people use to build dashboards, their own head tracking using Wii motes and so on?

Certainly better supported than other games...

Don't get me wrong here, InSim in a great gift to the community.
Your post seems a little misleading though. TrackIR is not bespoke. I wouldn't be surprised if adding support for it is easier than driving the G27's LEDs
Third-party hobby projects are not equivalent to first-party hardware support.

I'd love it if Scawen came out and made a fool of me by supporting HMDs in the next few years.

Last edited by Mountaindewzilla, Mon 20 Aug 2012, 21:04. Reason : Because there are no viable consumer HMDs now

Quote from Maelstrom :

Where did I say that the product was available :rolleyes:

And of course the current prototype is for developers (Scawen is one I think) , not for gamers. They aim to sell a consumer version in 2013. It is probably going to be even further away but seeing the support by big names of the industry and the very good feedback of the journalists who have tried it, it is going hit the market. Unless there is WW3 or something...

It is available

Regardless of when Oculus or whoever launches "The Next Big Thing" for gamers, hoping that Scawen will add stereoscopic 3D output to LFS is like hoping that you'll win big at a slot machine.

Last edited by Mountaindewzilla, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 00:57. Reason : LFS supports multiple monitors, but not 3D.

Seems like this would be a depressing birthday for LFS.

Kinda like when you've let five years slip by without accomplishing more than a year worth of stuff.

Last edited by Mountaindewzilla, Sun 19 Aug 2012, 00:52. Reason : Too much

Yeah, because Scawen has such a great record of supporting bespoke equipment. :rolleyes:

Look, the Rift isn't really a consumer product so much as it is a platform for experimentation.
Palmer Lucky and John Carmack told consumers not to buy the Rift when they did a VR panel at Quakecon.

I'm sure that most PC gamers are really excited about HMDs catching up to their expectations, but it isn't quite here yet.

Quote from rockclan :

Let me prove you wrong on this subject:
https://www.lfsforum.net/forumdisplay.php?f=66


One has to check back every now and then, if that is active again, no?

Are test patches considered official patches? I was under the impression that test patches are for making sure there are not severe bugs before releasing the version we get e-mailed about.

I imagine that the people that check the forum every few months won't be too upset about being a few weeks late to the party.

Quote from Spadnium :

Gawd... Yawn. See you in another few months.

I'll be back, but this coming back to check for nothing is really getting old. :banghead:

Everyone gets an e-mail when there is a patch. You really don't need to check.

>Scawen tries to solve problem that has puzzled physicists for decades
>Product stagnates while devs float comfortably on revenue from stagnant product
>Devs have known that a show-stopping server exploit has been discovered and exploited for a couple of weeks

:/

Last edited by Mountaindewzilla, Fri 10 Aug 2012, 17:56.

Quote from Speedster23 :

Enough said.

waiting to get laid
my thread can 1234 OFF

Post your lol..

At least nine hours went by before someone posted another one.

Quote from CheerioDM :

The devs could at least make a sticky for the new users so they won't ask.

I think that a good sticky would provide community members with an opportunity to question the validity of their ideas before posting "I'm butthurt about LFS" commentaries. Don't get me wrong, people are entitled to their feelings, but most of the posts in threads like this one are not informative or entertaining. Most people don't walk up to obese strangers and say "Hey, you're ****in' fat" because obese people are usually aware of their weight. Similarly, Scavier are aware that LFS is taking a long time. They are aware that you want more stuff. They are aware that you want to know the "what", "when", and "why". You really don't need to reiterate your love/hate/indifference all of the time. If fact, my post is mostly if not entirely composed of things people have already said. In summation: sup dawg, I herd you like repeating yourself, so I put a repeating yourself in your repeating yourself so you can repeating yourself while you repeating yourself

The fact that Scawen, Victor and Eric are all active on the forum is enough proof of development for me.

Quote from speeddemon6 :

greedy and want more sooner.

No, Scawen is the problem. Also, what cargame.nl said.

Quote from speeddemon6 :

"Quantity over Quality"

You can never have all of the content in the world. To what compromise are you referring? Scavier has not published a new car or environment for four years. Eric never finished updating the interiors (unless he did).

Quote from speeddemon6 :

the rest of the world

You'll have to be more specific than that.

In case you guys forgot, Live For Speed is a free game. The licenses are for content.

As for the potential quality/realism of user generated content: perhaps scavier should drop these guys a line.

Quote from Si Mclaren :

Well, first, sim racers and gamers are a very different people... Gamers just want to win, get points, collect status, like most of the actual LFS players. Sim Racers are race fans who want to race, respecting the rules and etc, uncare about statuses, "rt", and these things... Forgetting also the fact what gamers play all games, racers play only simulators. Second, why only have people with high end PC's racing would improve anything? There is no relationship between finnancial status and driving hability...

I don't think anyone asserted that correlation. Sounds like a red herring to me.
Lag causes accidents. Outdated hardware and crumby internet connections cause lag. Outdated hardware and crumby internet connections cause accidents.

I do not accept your definitions for what should be obvious reasons.

@cargame

I am of the opinion that Gran Turismo and Forza are legitimate racing sims. I think that there are people in those communities that take their racing just as seriously as people here do. I however must admit that serious console racers are relatively rare.

I like your statement regarding the way people invest their money.

Last edited by Mountaindewzilla, Sun 6 May 2012, 23:41. Reason : everything is relative

Quote from sicotange :

It might be fun to have the ability to change the altitude of objects even above the track but maybe it is intentional. Perhaps the developers don't want this to be possible but that's pure speculation.

A few screenshots of another little test:

I think it's because LFS uses test rays to accurately place objects. If the test doesn't find a collidable surface, the object is placed exactly where the packet specified.


This app is really nice work!
It'd be nice if I could type in positions, and more easily tell what type of object I have selected.

I'm gonna go play with this some more

Quote from col :

You read my post and the one I was replying to(I assume), and that's your conclusion...?! lol

Your face is a conclusion.

Quote from col :

Oops, sorry, next time I want to or expect to do something, I'll ask you first...[1]

I'm not making excuses for anyone. I'm explaining why Scawen prioritises optimising LFS to get it working on older systems over making it get the most out of the latest gaming tech.[2]
I've shown LFS (and GPL before it) to non-pc-gamers who enjoyed it immensely. There are plenty of non-gamers out there who would play LFS if they knew about it - they just are not aware that games like that exist.[3]

Just because someone hasn't been taken for a sucker by clever marketing and a culture of GegaHertz and Gigatexel ePenis competitions doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to pay Scaviers wages.[4]

[1] A sarcastic remark. That's defensive.
[2] It's rude to speak for someone without their explicit permission. A link would have been more appropriate.
[3] But they wouldn't have the hardware necessary to run it, right?
[4] You tried and failed to rationalize your lack of a fancy computer with rude remarks. The implication of a false dilemma wherein I can't buy a computer without being taken for a sucker or wanting a larger penis(!) for competitive purposes(!!!) is offensive.

Sarcasm can win any argument...! lol

Last edited by Mountaindewzilla, Sat 5 May 2012, 21:56. Reason : You can buy as many S2 vouchers as you want.

Quote from col :

Oops, sorry, ePenis competitions.

You're being unnecessarily rude and defensive. That kind of behavior indicates insecurity.

I understand that some people have to live places where the economic climate is very poor. I believe that the conditions leading to persistent poverty are a great deal more worthy of discussion than how well recreational software runs on outdated hardware.

On mods:
mods=gods

On better sound:
LFS is not a car video soundtrack generator.

On community:
There are active InSim projects, leagues, and sub-communities. People still write entertaining posts here. The only promotion needed is an email from the devs.

On where's the ****ing content:
Content production workflow is affected by the target graphics platform.

On why Scawen and Eric remain in hiding:
They actually hate most of us. FACT.


Good day. :drunk:

Quote from Bmxtwins :

Why:
Too many
Immature admins
Immature drivers
this isn't need for speed
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1708342#post1708342
racing games dont have speed limits.
?

I can connect to about 360 empty servers.
There are immature people on the internet. Big surprise.
Of course this isn't Need For Speed; it's the LFS forum.
That link merely demonstrates the fact that you created this thread because you are butt-hurt.
Racing simulators usually have speed limits.

You guys have heard of trolling, right?

If you can't get rid of a troll, ignore it. Calling for some witch hunt isn't going to stop people from trolling. Bans only encourage trolls.

Quote from DarkTimes :

InSim does not have an IS_NONE packet. In fact, I'm struggling to even conceive of how such a packet would look. What is it exactly that LFS sends when the user updates their controls?

Pic related.

Thanks for the tip, guys.

Last edited by Mountaindewzilla, Sat 7 Apr 2012, 09:36.

Is it just me, or is there no IS_NONE class in insim.py?

It'd be nifty as LFS sends a NONE packet when users update their controls. Actually, only when a player is in the player list and updates their controls.

Do you guys think it'd be a good idea to suggest a 'player changed controls' packet in the improvement suggestions forum?

In my experience, Scavier's posts have been professional and polite.
Is there any evidence of the devs "treating their customers like shit"?

Thanks for the help before. Turns out I had made another dumb mistake or two.

I really like the new version of pyinsim, so thanks for putting it up. :banana:

I like the changes so far. pyinsim is easier to use than ever

Has anyone tried adding autocross objects? I just got wall of text that ended with this:

Here's what I did to get that:

I had forgotten that my wheel will reset while I am not using it.
I think it's pretty obvious that stan is right about needing to test with an externally powered USB hub. I'd be pissed if it was a matter of power, not only because this mobo is supposed to be really robust, but because the G27 has its own power supply.

As far as logging is concerned, I don't have sufficient knowledge of USB or the Windows USB core stack to make use of that kind of information. Assuming I did, I wouldn't know when to start logging because my wheel will go days without resetting.