Hulkenburg and Perez at Force india is a seriously good lineup for them.

Quote from sinbad :

Plus money into the reserve fund for claims made against uninsured drivers. Typically unless the car is worth a vast sum, the greatest risk by far is 3rd party claims as you say, which is why some companies will not quote any cheaper for 3rd party cover only than they do for fully comprehensive cover. Many companies don't seem to do 3rd party only at all now.

I don't think the margins are that high for the insurance companies. Competition is pretty fierce. What gets me are the b.s renewal prices. They'll give a competitive quote for the first year, and then when renewal time comes they hope you're too lazy to bother shopping around. Most people don't give a damn about the standard of cover either they just want the cheapest price.

They should get the cheapest price because the insurance cost is a joke.

It cost me the equilivent of 200 pounds when i was 17 to insure a Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS.

Explain how your countrys insurance is probably about 20 times that for the same age person.

Quote from sinbad :

It all looks like the standard GT FFB is still there and still just as rubbish. Every video you watch it's like people are driving with d-pads not steering wheels.

what wheel do you use to play GT5?

Quote from Racer X NZ :

F the cost of insurance in the USSGB,

Your paying more for insurance per year than the cost of the fing car....

Legal answer: go for an old escort, at least it will be fun.

Off the wall complete fantasy answer: get a false licence for far less than your insurance, don't insure it at all and if you crash do a runner, if you get caught, provide false name on false licence, then do a runner.........

How do they justify the cost of insurance ? Really, is there some massive scam on repair costs that the insurance co's get a cut of ?

Most of my cars are under 4000NZ and full insurance is under 400NZ per year. And as my company buys and runs them that's actually more than private insurance. Third party would only be just over 100NZ per year. Which for a cheap car is well worth doing. Especially when you factor in the insurance co's right down.

Its clearly Government interference that has caused the crazy numbers, just like it does with their Petrol.

What happens if the Tobacco companies move to E-cigs?

if you want a fast car in UK with the insurance situation, look for lightness not power.

Now considering every teenager that gives a crap about cars is going to think like this its the logical option.

Quote from ACCAkut :

the passing car was a GT300 FTO, so the performance gap won't be that big.

I recognize that track from the Top Gear episode with the lads testing the RS4, M3 and C-Class AMG

It wasn't GT300 it was a fictional FTO Race car with around 400hp, either still its a bit faster then the Scirroco.

This doesn't bother me too much though as now that you got AI that will race properly all you got to do is find the right car to race em with.

The GT500 races wil be epic fun with a mildy tuned GT3 or GT300.

That chris harris video was more entertaining then the last 10 seasons of Top Gear Combined.

Anyone else notice that its the Ferrari Daytona something which hasn't been confirmed for the game.

Ill make a track called, Italian Job Raceway.

Quote from Mattesa :

Seriously?

So clearly you understand the power deficit at high RPM without it so why exactly is it for idiots? Because it's cool to rag on VTEC due to it's association with idiot internet blowhards?

I think it's great. It should be on every N/A car. Why not have a flat torque curve instead of one that's biased toward low end torque (most cars) and then runs out of steam up top?

Because if it doesnt have a decent amount of low end torque, it requires you to rev the shit out of the car to move.

It works well with Sports cars and Supercars because they have enough power its not as.much an issue and its ideal for the track, but for an average car with that kind of power band its not ideal.

Quote from NitroNitrous :

Torque? That's not how it works as far as I know. Lets take this dyno sheet as an example, and you can find similar ones allover the net



It's a common 4 cylinder engine until around 5k rpm, producing just 120hp. After that, the vtec kicks so in just 2000rpm you get over 180hp, 60hp more. The torque instead is pretty flat all the way. Vtec engines are known for the lack of torque at any range of revs, that's why you rev the hell out of them, to get a boost in power, just like some motorbikes.
As I said the video I posted is overdone since it's a crappy game with an unrealistically tuned engine, I just wanted to show the effect that's missing in GT5. The power band in GT5 feels way too smooth, I don't feel any change at all, revving an Integra Type R or any other car without vtec feels pretty much the same, which added to the lack of good engine sounds makes them miss their charm.

what im trying so say is the main effect you feel when driving is the torque effect, but the torque sensation on games is not there so your only going to feel the power progression which on a 180hp car isnt going to be like an explosion.

You can see the dyno that when the cama open up there is a torque kick at that moment.

But as i Said GT5s recreation is pretty wrong.

Quote from NitroNitrous :

Not only sounds but also power delivery in especific cars. Lets take Vtec engines for example

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSjA6rrh06U

Not only how it sounds but also how it actually kicks in. Leaving aside the fact that in that video the car is fully and unrealistically tuned, the effect Vtec is anyway completely missing in GT5.

disagree, Vtec kick is a torque kick more then power your not going to feel it fully on a game especially when your talking about 200hp or less.

what you saw there is the equlivent of a Highrange turbo that give an extra 200hp atleast and has no kick in till 7k RPM.

Vtec has probably 1/20th of the effect that did.

Edit: after trying a 2004 Integra Type R i must say there is no effect of the engine changing anyway apart from obviously gaining alot more speed rapidly at higher RPM.

Pretty sure spinal injury means game over.

Argubly the best seat in Indycar is available next year, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we see a Current F1 driver in that seat next year.

Possibly Perez?

Quote from Storm_Cloud :

Maybe he didn't want to jump into a new team for two races and get made to look like a mug against Grosjean who is quick and experienced with the team. He was only offered the drive for this season.

Yeah i was thinking it was fornext year, if it was this season only then yes any current F1 driver would of declined that.

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Quote from BlueFlame :

Well if the track isn't lit you're gonna see basically nothing of what's going on on track. I'd prefer to be awake at a stupid time in the morning than struggle to focus on a nightrace at 8in the morning..

Adelaide is a street circuit though so it will be lit somewhat.

Hulkenburg must be lining up the mclaren seat, otherwise why would he decline Lotus.

I Think Mclaren know something we don't know that has contributed to it.

GT5 sounds are terrible its fact theres no point arguing.

at this stage there isn't a genuine excuse as to why such an integral part of the driving expereince has been short cutted, its clear they haven't even tried to get it right.

Half the time Perez is no where, where button always manages to get a decent point scoring result.

In saying that Perez obviously has a bit of speed on occasion i don't understand Mclarens reason for droping him unless its a personal issue, but still making mistakes at his rate after the 3rd season is quite ridiculious.

Even still why not go for Hulkenburg?

Hulk would be mad to choose Lotus over Mclaren IMO, especially long term.

I don't know of a single rookie other then Kobayashi that was able to score consistent points as a rookie, even Hulkenburg had a fairly rough rookie season but showed good pace here and there.

He will need to be pretty much the most impresive rookie since the testing ban to have a chance at staying at Mclaren i think, which i think is unreasonable as some talents take a few years to show true pace, strong qualifying would be the main thing I would look for in a rookie if i was them.

I think hiring Magnussen is a bad idea not because he isn't talented but because with the lack of testing its unrealistic to expect decent results untill the second half of there 2nd season before the consistency comes.

Hamilton had more miles under his belt in the Mclaren before he started his rookie season then Grosjean does now currently for Lotus, and when you think about it, its self explanitory on his form till now.

Lotus is in a weird position because as it is right now they have every chance to get 3rd in the constructors but if they put a their rookie 3rd driver its likely he will be out of the points while he gets used to the car(thanks to the lack of testing), or they can get someone with more experinence and have a chance to get a few points to help them get higher up and hence more money.

GT is like a 911, Every new version looks the same, but all the changes are stuff you have to dig deep to find.