Most definetely, in the last few races he has been very close to matching Kimi.

Singapore wasn't his fault and he would of been 3rd.

I think Hulkenburg will take the other seat, but they might sign Massa if they need money.

TV coverage is the main thing that needs to boost now.

back in the 90s BTCC was shown worldwide and it was even shown live here.

Yeah, what you find though with NGTC is having a factory team is an advanatge but not something thats worth over-spending since independents are still competitive regardless.

The factory teams will still come if there is popularity and with factory teams comes payed drivers with talent and status.

BTCC is really starting build some momentum since NGTC has came, if WTCC keeps getting more expensive with the S2000 Regs I wouldn't be surprised if there is a total collapse and all the talent and factory teams move back to UK.

A bit of a risk in terms of hurting the 500 but a smart.move to try popularize the rest of indy races.

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

I've completed the story twice, have two saves on 70% complete, and never once did I stop to check to see if the wheel arches on my cars were smooth, or if my frame rate dropped from 30fps to 28fps. That stuff never bothers me, I accept that compromises have to be made, especially to run such a rich and vibrant open world game on such old hardware.

I remember being blown away by this...



also I think it's just the angle of that shot, here's the front, so it's not even an issue I think...

This is how i see it, if your looking for problems you will find it, just enjoy the damn game.

Online is just going to be awesome.

Ingame selfies ahaha.

Alonso had the same reputation after 2007, he came off looking like he gives no respect, but he changed it in 2008.

Always the first person to congratulate new time winners after their victory(see Kubica at montreal and Vettel at Monza, Both times Alonso wasn't on the podium and came to them), this is something Vettel has to start doing to atleast start rebuilding his image I would say(you could argue that no one new is winning so how could he do this, but honestly could you see Vettel doing it unless he was already on the podium), that or leave redbull which I doubt he would do and anyone in the same position.

Quote from CSF :

The podium interviews, that add nothing really, probably make the booing more audible. Schumacher was certainly booed in his time, and his leg breaking crash cheered wildly, at Silverstone.

I'd probably boo Alonso. My moral compass suggests its wrong to blackmail your own team.

I don't think anyone could complain about being disrespected compared to the Leg break cheer Schumacher got at Silverstone in 1999.

Quote from BlueFlame :

You mean Hills almost win with the Arrows at Hungary and Hills victory in Spa?

Hill was better than JV. He challenged Schumacher in 94 and 95 quite legitimately considering the Benneton was a better car whilst Coulthard was making a complete tool of himself.

Hills car had the massive adantage of bridgstones at Hungary that was the only reason why he was in contention and Spa only was possible after plenty of controversial accidents, holding up ralf due to to team orders was mainly the reason he won even after that.

Not to mention Williams were basically gifted the title in 1994 with the amount of DSQ Shumi got, yet still couldn't capitalize.

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Newey Williams era version 2 only this time they got some talent behind the wheel.

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Lion's don't, but sharks yeah. As for FPS. It is low, but not noticable until you play something like MW3. Forza 4 didn't seem different, but when i put in MW3, it was a mind****.

They do, I have experinced it already first hand, you usually get around 7 seconds.warning.

Quote from BlueFlame :

Well at least JV was challenged hard by Michael Schumacher. JV didn't have it as easy as Vettel does.

Vettels hardest challenge was in 2010 and the only reason he took the title is because everyone else was tripping over each other.

JV had it easier, problem for him is didn't have the talent of his compeition so it was kept close.

Damon hill and JV could of easily dominated in those years they where there if they were as good as mika or shumi.

This was proven once they left Williams.

Quote from BlueFlame :

Vettel is a Red Bull wonderkid, Webber isn't. That's why its obvious where the loyalty lies. Wouldn't surprise me if Red Bull had some underground Salzburg test facility where they test on animals 'n shit.

Its funny when you remember how blueflame was talking when hamilton come to F1, but thats not because he is british or.anything.

Its pretty much exactly opposite to this, while everyone else was saying what blueflame is saying now.

Gazoo racings LFA around the ring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3e2URrMKsM

Quote from sinbad :

I know everyone says Webber doesn't have the car that Seb does, but it still doesn't make sense to me. Spend bazillions of development, not to mention the effective advertising cost of the RBR team with no primary sponsor other than RedBull, pay the driver a small fortune, and then handicap him when actually keeping race wins away from Alonso is probably more important than Vettel winning.
I'm sure the team has been more concerned with helping Vettel this year, but to consciously deny Webber the car with which to dominate the rest of the field during a race would just make no sense at all.

I think ultimately Webber is just not as fast as he used to be, whilst Vettel has improved since his first year at RBR. Webber would be getting similar treatment from any of the other front-runners imo, perhaps even more so from certain drivers.

I know what your saying but, Webber didn't have the ability to gap anyone even in clear air.

Being 2-3 seconds a lap slower then your team mate is pretty much unheard of, I know Vettel is definitely faster then Webber but this is a completely new level.

Either Webber has completely given up and his Singapore performance was theoretically the worst of any driver on the grid that day by a huge margin, or he has a different car to what vettel used, whether it be a lack of new parts or what not.

aggressive animals will come up as red on the mini map, couple shots of a.pistol and.its an easy kill.

Quote from Funnybear :

Vettel and Webber don't have the same car. Red Bull aren't part of the constructors Union, they don't subscribe to the same rule set that the rest of the field do. Vettel doesn't care about that, Webber does. Webber is a world class racer who not only races in F1 but races in many other race forums. Vettel, is a Red Bull brat who just wants the glory. (I'm sure we all would, but there are way's and means) But too reiterate, Red Bull don't race the same cars. To be fair, Vettel has to have some skill as he is, at the end of the day, racing an F1 car. But it is by far NOT a level playing field. You can see where the level playing field starts by comparing the timings further down the field. And in Singapore that started with the Mclarens. Vettel was 30 secs. 30 SECONDS faster than the next fastest man. Maybe in other racing sports thats acceptable. But this is F1. If these guys are not racing to the wire, then there is something serioulsy wrong with the sport. If they are truly racing with a given rule set then you would get far closer racing than this.

This isn't racing, it's commercialism. **** it, I've just talked myself out of giving a shit. Call me when it doesn't cost a billion dollars to run a team anymore.

Webber and Vettel might not have the same car on race day, but the rest of the crap you wrote is butthurt dribble.

Penalising a team for being better is just tall poppy syndrome, mclaren on the other hand had the ability to work with newey but they wanted moat of the control and they only have them selves to blame.

I understand changing the techincal regulations every couple of years to shuffle the order a bit, just don't go crying if redbull stays on top, in F1 the bigger teams have always dominated just be greatful that this era of vettel domination still brings good racing across the feild.

Vettel was and had the abilty to lap 2-3 seconds a lap faster then anyone else, where webber was lapping around similar pace to the others, you can say what you want about webber but he isn't that much slower then vettel, not even chilton would be with the same equipment.

Its obvious they had two different cars at singapore.

Vettels pace when he went all out at the start and after the safety car was scary, several seconds a lap faster then everything.

How do you even compete with that?

in 5 years i have had 11 cars with 5 this year alone.

DeltaWing works, it shows you can have bicycle tyres at the front of the car and still have the abilty be competive in a Prototype le mans race, and by doing so it allows its self to have a really thin front profile which drasticly reduces drag and increases the top speed massively to the point you barely need any power to acheive competitve top speed, not to mention by having such a thin front end you can acheive insane front lightness by using super light wheels and suspention componients.

It might look gimicky but there is more to it.

Quote from CSF :

AS Usaac said I was talking about the rest of 2013.




That's not really the point. The point was Kimi. If you look at Kimi pre comeback he was always able to pull something out of nothing, even in his terrible title defence he would pull out something that would make you think 'where did that come from?' Nothing Kimi has done since his comeback has said he has that blistering speed anymore, but it's a more consistent speed. He also seems to think more about his driving, I don't think it's just the Lotus that keeps its tyres well.

The thing with that I feel comes down to the fact Massa was much more closer to Kimis performance then Grosjean by a long shot, but Kimi had the ability to go the extra mile when needed, I reckon next year will be a good indication of where both drivers are, right now there is still a thing about the lotus where you don't know whether its kimi or the car so people are not really shocked no matter what he does as the curve of performance from the Lotus doesn't stay still.

Its like trying to judge Vettel against say Alonso or Hamilton by his performances against Webber, for all we know he could be the best there is, or be another Damon hill or JV.

Quote from IsaacPrice :

He was talking about 2013, mate.

Also, only 50%? I think it will be more than that, everyone will be saving fuel so ultimately the thing everyone will be talking about will be saving tyres and fuel economy.

I didn't say only 50%, I said more.