anyone heard the Redbull Junior?

sounds like they may be fixing engine sounds as it sounds much better then anything else on the game.

Quote from Hyperactive :

To you this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Formula_One_season
looks the same as this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Formula_One_season
?

I think ferrari lost the title when schumi went into to the wall... because of brake failure. Maybe rbr should have treated webber as number 1 just in case vettel's car breaks and spins into a wall and vettel break his leg?

what im saying is, Irvine lost the championship because for the first half of the season he was treated second rate.

Quote from BlueFlame :

McLaren but not Häkkinen, he made one mistake at Monza to memory but that was it.

I would say Ferrari lost the title by not treating Irvine like a number 1 for the first half of the season.

Quote from Hyperactive :

Then why was it vettel who won everything and webber who won nothing in that same car? If the car was that awesome in 2012/2013 and mark couldn't do anything in it compared to vettel then mark must have been one of the worst drivers? I don't think mark was that bad. It was vettel who was that good.

same could be said with Ferrari with Shumi but in 1999 when he broke his legs, suddenly the number 2 Irvine who looked like a useless second driver was suddenly championship material.

The last page is a bunch of assumptions and sterotypes just saying your all pretty much talking shit.

I liked watching fnf for the first few quite simply because i like cars i don't really have much attachment to the story line but i know which parts i like.

Care to add some assumptions to this to this for me?

Quote from Gav190 :

LMP1 fuel tank is 50kg

F1 engine uses 50kg in 30 mins at maximum power

If the F1 race is 1h30 then it will need to use 50kg per 45mins, which is what the LMP1 uses at maximum power.

Thats a pretty huge Fuel consumption change tbh.

Quote from Bmxtwins :

Vettell won't be used to using any other number than 1 tho

that or 11

Quote from Gav190 :

The F1 engine wouldn't need any tweaking for fuel consumption.

The maximum tank size for Le Mans next year for a 4MJ hybrid (which the F1 engine is) is:
64.4L or 49.6kg

This would get you around 45 mins at Le Mans at the maximum of 4.65L/3.58Kg per lap.


The 2014 F1 engine uses 100kg/130L of fuel per hour at maximum.

So:

64.4L = 49.6kg (45 mins) Le Mans P1

130L = 100kg (1 hour) F1

There is very little difference.

an F1 race doesn't last 1 hour unless the race is stopped.

Quote from Rappa Z :

Posted this over in the WEC thread but I'll dump it here too because it applies.


edit: Maths, with many assumptions.

But if that WEC effort was for the purpose of F1 surely the Fia would count that into expenditure, to be honest if
Ferrari did that it would be obvious instantly and you think the FIA wouldn't address it immediately if it happened, i don't think Ferrari would even attempt it knowing this to be the case.

Quote from Intrepid :

Of course the F1 teams will find loopholes in the budget plans. Setting up separate business that are designed to make a loss so you can sub-contract them development and so on. The FIA can't get nose regulations correct, so I don't see how they can afford decent financial lawyers.

They are limiting budgets, not profits.

Quote from Blade3562 :

Give me more cone challenges screw these silly races

And goodwood is by far the best

Update: so Gran Turismo thinks the mark 1 gt40 is the worst handling car ever created even though it destroyed Le Mans. My maxed performance Cuda AAR handles better than a stock gt40.

This game makes no sense!

Update 2 even the bloody AI struggle to control the car. Such a dissapointment

A car form the 60s you would think has no chance against a car with modern parts in it., regardless of what class it raced in.

The Renaults seem to have very good sound, the Premium Clio '11 and the Megane RS sound much closer to their counterpart then any other car on the game.

Quote from Chupacabras84 :

If you mean Ascari then it will probably be fixed soon.

yeah, they already tried to fix it but all that did was you had to pass the finish on the grass instead now.

Quote from Blade3562 :

I'm still baffled at how I can be going in a straight line then my car just begins to slide. Notice it more on city course in my A110 more than anything else

It's like they don't have RR cars down yet. Yes they will tend to slide a tad in corners but not a straight line

some cars are glitched, try the Audi R8 with racing hard tyres and then you will question why it has less grip them comfort hard.

needs patching.

It tries to force you into micro transations that is blatantly obvious.

however there are a few races where a glitch can solve that problem.

LFS topic making is serz bizness

Quote from Hyperactive :

Is it really noticeable difference? Do almost all of the cars have tons of understeer by default, is abs 0 usable and do you still need to put softer compounds on the front to get somewhat neutral handling? Do kerbs upset the car? If it is noticeably better to drive than gt5 I might get it for online racing but the academy demo felt kinda slightly improved but not enough imho. Does the modern skyline for example still drive like a strange diarrhea of underteer with random snap oversteer? Do you need to rotate the car into the turn by coming off the brakes abruptly to get a snap oversteer to not understeer like in the academy demo?

yes, kerbs upset the car badly especially at bathurst.

Front wheel drive cars also have loads of Oversteer when aggressively steered, that never used to happen.

The suspention model now lets you feel the weight of the car its a pretty big change tbh.

Quote from Hyperactive :

It is essentially gt5.5. Only real difference is the bigger amount of tracks+rain and night racing for all tracks. Ai is still 100€ the same. I could post some replays just like cooolcol's from gt5 where I drive a car with poorer tires and poorer pp points than the ai and the "fights back".

GT5 will probably lose its online mode soon though so I would not buy gt5 for offline racing. But for purely offline racing I'd not buy any gt game anyways. The offline mode in forza is so many ways superior that is not even a choise which one to get for purely offline racing. Honestly I think it is really tough choise even choosing which one to buy gt5 or gt6. Gt5 is little bit worse and has little bit less content but also costs something like 10€ where gt6 costs 60€. In direct comparison gt6 is of course better but is there enough to pay 50€ more for it?

Maybe a couple of months from now gt6 is a decent purchase when it can be had for 10-20€.

Physics are much improved and a noticeable improvement in all areas

Quote from CoolColJ :

The tyres definitely have more bite, even compared to the Academy demo
Much more progressive - no more driving on ice feel so far (iRacing :razz

I took the X-Bow for a spin/race, and you can feel the rear end tugging around in a very controllable way

Hand brake turns feel sublime, you can feel the tyres grip sliding

Also the Honda Fit can even oversteer in certain corners with power - certainly a first for a GT game.
I just don't feel that terminal understeer of GT games of past even in FF cars

Rotating cars under brakes is achievable.

Only thing is transmission modelling and engine braking is far too weak IMO
In Asseto Corsa you can upset the car from changing gears etc, not as apparent here

Some cars are more obvious with it though, the engine braking effect is strongest from what i have tried with the M3 GT2.

It isn't strong by any means though.

The biggest improvement thats noticable over GT5 is the Suspention, the car can get easily upset by by bumps now and using the kurbs on some tracks makes you slower Bathurst is a perfect example.

Just drove the GT500 HSV around Bathurst that track is awesome.

Managed a 2:02.3 on Racing Hards grip set to real all aids off, more time possible but only had time for like 3 laps.

The last time Nissan had any success in a racing championship with Multiple factory teams outside of Japan would have to be 1999 in BTCC.

The last time they went for the overall class at Lemans was a joke.

Quote from Intrepid :

Spain

1:20.8 2011 Pole
1:20.7 2013 Pole

Britain

1:30.3 2011 Pole
1.29.7 2013 Pole

Monaco

1:13.5 2011 Pole
1:13.8 2013 Pole

Australia

1:24.4 2004 Pole Time
1:24.9 2012 Pole Time (2013 was damp)
1:24.8 (Q2) 2009

The regulations have kept the cars, in quali pace at least, not much different for a decade or so.

Keep in mind a full tank in 2012 in australia compared to near empty tanks for the rest puts things into perspective.

Im just going by what the teams said, the ones with the actual information.

Also all those times compared where before they changed to the better rubber in the 2nd half of the season.

Still its early days, expect rapid development during the year.

That 2 second gap is around how much slower the cars where in 2011 to 2013 with similar regs.

Anyone who ordered it online seems to be getting it a day early, damn wish i did.