I hope people see through this Pirelli Bullshit already, the series shouldn't be based on who can underdrive the best, it is the root of all garbage in F1.

Currently the highest ranked Australian in the Weider overtake challenge.

Also to the above comment, Aids are not forced they are just on default you change them manually.

Just because he hit a few talentless champions in superior cars doesn't comprimise every other GP Schumacher won.

Quote from Rappa Z :

You know what's really hypocritical? We used to rail against team orders (Germany 2010) and now here we are berating someone for violating the orders and making racing competitive.

Well the difference being this is team orders for the contructors not Drivers.

Constructors must always be priority as its the Bread and butter for the teams, when a driver puts this at risk its more serious, especially at the start of the season, when teams are still figuring out where they stand.

Quote from N I K I :

Oh god, Webber is shooting his own foot. Massive facepalm.

Difference was, Redbull had a massive points advantage by this point.

It was half way through the season not the second race.

There was less points at risk.

Redbull do not currently know there position in this years championship yet so every point is much more critical.

Sounds slightly hypicritical from looking at it 2 years after it happened but webber is not saying that now is he and the whole dynamic of the championship ia different, also i would assume redbull would of had a big brief on all this which is why it happening again is much more serious.

If Indycar used european style ruling instead of full course caution stuff and double file restarts, Power probably would of won 95% of all the road courses he competed in since he joined Penske, however this is testiment to Indycars abilty to stop drivers dominating.

Quote from Rappa Z :

Can they really pick up another top-tier driver mid season? I mean, I doubt the other teams are willing to just give up their drivers to a competitor.

Yes, they can try to make changes at the end of the season, but that's still months away. Hence why I say they can't off Vettel just yet.

Mid season, no but they could atleast replace him with a seasoned STR driver for the rest of the year, sure they probably wont win a WDC but the constructors would still be possible and then they can hire who they wish after, Kimi for example would be a driver who would take it in a heartbeat and the team structure would suit him.

The reason vettel holds soo much power in the team is the fact Helmet marko will do anything to make sure he stays after all he gets all the praise for bringing him to the redbull program.

Redbull could get a world class driver in a click of a finger if they wanted, anydriver would take that seat over what they got currently, and they have to know this if they want to keep comtrol of there drivers because its just unfair to the whole team.

KV is not really a good car, its just a million times better then HVM.

Quote from Shotglass :

so will webber get a 10 place grid penalty for repeating pretty much exactly the schuamcher barrichello incident?

Congrats on not knowing what happened.

Quote from BlueFlame :

#1 Hamilton #2 Alonso #3Button #4Rosberg #5Bianchi



I rest my case.

Your Blueflame

I rest my case.

Quote from BlueFlame :

The truth is, the only people that are Vettel fans are those who are trying to be left-field, or people who only watched F1 for all of 5minutes because everyone with a brain knows Vettel probably isn't in the top 5 of the best drivers in the F1 grid.

As much as i think Vettel is a Cock this is total bullshit, he is one of the top 3 drivers on the grid but i think its been exaggerated from webber not being suited to the pirelli nonsense.

As much as it might look better for the show the drivers are underdriving to keep the tyres from going all melted butter on them its garbage.

Quote from Dennis93 :

Last year :
1. Lewis Hamilton Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1:24.922

This year :
1. Sebastian Vettel Germany Redbull Racing Renault 1:27.407


Can't speak for the conditions though, as i didn't see either of them

Qualifying this year was wet, Track was only just good enough for slicks in the last few mins of Q3.

Quote from Intrepid :

If that were true why did they go for a whole re-design and not just follow everyone else and just develop what they had? Surely that would be the more sensible and efficient route to take? Why take such a big risk for a year where the current aero will be redundant next year? Why not race with a design you know, rather than having a piece of shit that will just de-motivate everyone all year?

There is a reason why they have only won 1 title in the last decade despite being in the championship hunt pretty much every year, they constantly shoot themselves in the foot.

Sutil had an absolute impressive drive shame the result got ruined by a poor tyre call at the end, should of pitted as late as possible.

Why not just get some jet dryers like in Nascar, just jet dry the f**k out of the puddles and problem solved.

Quote from Stig209 :

God what they're waiting for? The track seems like good to go

Its wet there waiting till every drop of rain is gone.

Horner said it was some electrical problem.

Sauber reminds me of a 2010 HRT.

1. Who will win drivers' world championship: Vettel
2. Which team will win constructors' world championship: Red Bull
3. Who will score more points in 2013. Bottas or Maldonado: Maldonado
4. What is the best race finishing result for Adrian Sutil in 2013: 4th
5. Do you think Sergio Perez will win at least one race in 2013: No
6. Who will score more points in 2013. Hamilton or Rosberg: Hamilton
7. First driver you think will lose his drive during 2013 (miss at least one race):Jean-Eric Vergne
8. Will Caterham or Marussia score points in 2013: Nope
9. Do you think Massa will win at least one race in 2013? Yes
10. Does Kubica drive F1 car before the last race? Yes(the car but not a race)
11: Winner of Australian gp: Hamilton
12. Winner of Monaco gp: Rosberg
13. How many points will the dwc winning driver have at the end of the season: 296

Quote from MoMo92i :

Well the problem of Sordo was called Sebatsien Loeb. When he was at Citroën it was a no, you can't win and when he was at Mini probably the car wasn't as good but he was still able to score 2nd behind Loeb.

That's a shame Loeb stopped when he got a good challenger

The Problem is Ogier is pretty much on the same level, Ostberg can stay with him a bit untill he has a car failure but at the end of the day he is on a private team he needs the Citroen factory seat, Citroen can't depend on someone who is only really competitive at 3 rallys it needs the best driver it can find, as Loeb proved in the first two rounds the car is good enough.

The guy came 4th with his family run team last year outscoring Solberg and almost latvala in the Factory ford, how much more does the guy have to prove himself to get a decent drive.

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Quote from 4d01f :

Lets wait for tarmac rallies

Because he has won how many?

Quote from BlueFlame :

Ah, so basically M-sport is the de facto works team.

Not really they get very minimal support from ford, pretty much the same as other private teams, just they manged to get some wealthy arab backing.

Quote from BlueFlame :

Østberg in a private team?? I thought he was a Ford works driver.

He never was, Ford pulled out the Works team last year, the Qatar M-sport is a Semi-Works team at best.

Ogier is taking off and his biggest challenge is from ostberg in a private team(even though the equipment is trying its best not to let him challenge by failing as much as it can), why Citroen hired Sordo over him baffles me more each day, i already knew hirvonen wasnt at ogier or loebs level the, supirior ford works car hid that fact, but then they hire a driver who they know is much inferior to Loeb as well, they did it to themselves hiring two 2nd drivers.