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obsolum
S2 licensed
Yeah, that's what I thought. I've had that happen before with my previous PSU and a 6600GT. The computer would just shutdown whenever I started a game. I guess I'll just have to give it a try. I don't think LFS will require the card's maximum performance, though. If it proves to be a problem I'll just have to buy a new PSU

It appears my friend can't find his Y-cable so I have to look for one myself. All this hassle for a new graphics card... it had better be worth it!
obsolum
S2 licensed
Quote from NightShift :If the PSU puts out enough juice on the +12V line (i.e. 550W is not the peak ratio as it is often advertised for cheap PSUs) you could just buy or have made a Y-cable. E.g.

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?CAB-PCIEG

Yeah, I went to look for one of those but they seem hard to find Luckily a friend of mine probably has got one of those things left so I can use that. In the little booklet that came with the card it says that I shouldn't use those things, though, but only PSU's specifically designed to support those cards. But yeah... I'm not worried too much about that
obsolum
S2 licensed
Alright, a little update.

Like I said I ordered a 9800GT 512MB Tuesday afternoon. The website of the store I ordered it from said there were plenty of these cards in store and so mine should be available for pickup in the shop within 2 days. Today is friday and they still didn't have it in. Now, when it comes to this kind of stuff I have absolutely no patience. So I said "f*ck it" and went to search for the same card elsewhere.

I found a 9800GTX Plus 512MB for € 169 (only € 8 more than the 9800GT I ordered initally). So I bought that, went home, unpacked it.... Jesus, this is one big card At less than half the size my 8400GS looks like a scrawny little thing. It only just fits in my case. There's only one problem: it requires two power connectors (those 6-pin kind), and I've only got one left on my psu It runs with just the one, but obviously not at full power. When Windows boots I get this message telling me that the power supply to the graphics card isn't sufficient and the card has lowered its clock rates to ensure safe operation (smart card!).

So now I'm a bit bummed as I will probably have to buy a new PSU to be able to use this card, even though this one could handle it just fine if it just had one more connector. It's a 550W so that should be enough, I think. I'm even more bummed because I have to work tomorrow, which means that I can't go out shopping for a new PSU, and on Sundays all the stores are closed here so I have no chance of testing this card until next week.

I'll probably be buying a bigger case in the near future because I don't like the way the card is cramped up in there.
obsolum
S2 licensed
Quote from Bandit77 :You know what? I totally understand. You paid for your license a long time ago. That's a different thing.

I got my license only a couple of months before you did, and I would not feel one bit cheated if they decided to stop developing LFS. I don't think I've played any other game for as long as I have LFS, so it was well worth the £24, even if it's not entirely finished yet.

I guess it all comes down to what you expect when you buy a license. Personally, I didn't expect anything other than access to all tracks and cars in the game at that time. I think the problem is that many people these days buy a license with expectations regarding future content and features. They dream of things that might one day be implemented, rather than just enjoying the game for what it is.
obsolum
S2 licensed
Currently not really possible, and has been suggested many times before.

One way you could do this is to ask drivers to send their setup to an admin after the race is done, before they go to pits or spectate, and check every setup individually.
obsolum
S2 licensed
Quote from Bandit77 :Is that written in the contract? I don't exactly know, but I don't think so. Furthermore it depends a lot on when you bought the game. The earlier, the more value for your bucks. After - say - late 2007 it's really aaarrghhh...

Well, what it says in the EULA is:

Quote :1.4 You must be aware that we can alter any aspect of LFS as we see fit. Improvements, fixes and/or changes made to the game, are to be expected.

So, while it says that "improvements, fixes and/or changes (...) are to be expected", there is no mention of a time frame. For me, this basically means "you pay for the game as it is now, but we can make changes to it as we see fit and you shouldn't come whining to us when we make a change you don't like".

I don't see any way this could be interpreted as "You pay for the game now and we promise you that we will continue to update it and add extra content in a reasonable amount of time, and please, if you find it takes too long feel free to start a thread on the forum asking when we will finally release an update with your desired feature/content in it."

Seriously, the devs owe us f*ckall, development wise. The only thing you could argue that they owe us is to keep the master server running so that we can keep playing the game we payed for. That's it, IMO.
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obsolum
S2 licensed
Quote from pb32000 :Man up.

Considering that Inouva's a girl, I find that comment pretty amusing
obsolum
S2 licensed
Quote from pb32000 :You won't be - that is quite expensive though, are hardware prices much more in Belgium than the UK? You can pick that card up for around €100-€120 here.

I have no idea what the prices in other countries are. I ordered it from a store whose prices are usually quite a bit lower than other popular computer stores around here, so I thought I was getting a good deal. Guess not then eh
obsolum
S2 licensed
Alright, I bit the bullet and ordered a 9800GT for €161. I just hope I won't be disappointed with that card...
obsolum
S2 licensed
Quote from BlackEye :Did you modify the position of the exhaust?
Looks really nice, reminds me of an VTR only a bit higher

Edit: It's not higher, my memory failed me once again

Yeah, they are highmounted open exhausts. The stock exhausts on the SV are fugly, it must be said. That, and they are way too silent. I seriously couldn't hear the engine when I was riding. Can't have that on a V-Twin I still have the stock exhausts, obviously.

I don't think the SV and the VTR look much alike, except for the fact that they are both big V-Twins The VTR is an awesome bike, I wouldn't mind riding an SP2. It's in a different class than the SV, though. The SV is usually classified as a "sport cruiser", whereas the VTR is a much sportier bike and is classed in the "racing" category or whatever.

Quote from danowat :Look like high level exhausts to me, think the originals hang off the passenger footpegs like mine do.

Yeah, the originals on the SV are positioned similar to yours, though I don't think they point upwards as much as yours. It's not their position I didn't like, just the overall look, shape and sound of them that really bothered me.
obsolum
S2 licensed
Very true. I haven't taken mine to a trackday (yet?), but I'm on a SV forum where a lot of people go to trackdays regularly, and they always say the same thing. On the long straights the R1's and the Gixxxers come flying past you, but in the twistier sections they all bite the dust.

Also, you can't beat the sound of a V-Twin IMO
obsolum
S2 licensed
Quote from Jakg :Sometimes you get similar clocked memory, but GDDR4 512MB versus GDDR3 (slower) 1GB memory - so it is worth checking.

I didn't even know GDDR4 existed I'll keep an eye out for it. All the cards I've looked at have GDDR3, though.

Quote from NikLaw :The 9600 GT 512 MB isn´t a bad card for LFS, but you running at 1680x1050 with AA and AF you should get a 9800 GT.

Hmm, like I said earlier, the 9800GT is a little over my budget. To be honest, the AA isn't really a "must have" for me. I've never had it enabled in LFS before and I'm perfectly happy with the way it runs. Yes, when I look at some of the screenshots that get posted here I'm like "damn, those screens look great!". But... I don't even think I would notice it when I'm racing. And that's really all I do in LFS. I don't use it to make screenshots or videos or anything. If my fps remain above 60 at all times with large grids, then I'm happy.

Thanks for the comment, though, I'll keep it in mind and maybe look for some good deals on the 9800GT.

Quote from Nightshift :Just to give you some meaningful figures to play with, I'm attaching a couple old tables.

PS: here's more data, tables and graphs included.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...0_4.html#sect0
http://techreport.com/articles.x/16504/10
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...hd4550_13.html
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3420&p=6
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/HD_4550_passive/

Thanks, interesting charts. Unfortunately I can't seem to find results for the 9600GT anywhere in them. Or am I just missing them?

Quote from JasonJ :Surely someone on these forums use a 9600GT 512MB ??? They notice this glitch in LFS as well?

Chrisuu01 said he has the same card and he doesn't have that issue. See post #8 in this thread
obsolum
S2 licensed
Quote from NightShift :Kaynd is quite spot on, IIRC TechReport has an article comparing 1 GB vs 512 MB cards and the conclusion was the difference, when there's one, is negligible.

I would take ATI into consideration too, their recent production is quite interesting.

If you use or leave on your LFS PC a number of hours a day, I would take into consideration power consumption. IIRC the 3870/3850 have the most interesting performance/power consumption profile in the market - while the newer 4850/4870 used to have a software problem that prevented the card from truly entering low power mode when not in Full 3D use. This may have been fixed in the meanwhile, I can't really tell without googling.

Also keep in mind power consumption is the main reason for a card to be quiet or noisy, with the cooler behind only the second. Some cards IMO are simply unbearable but then it depends on your ambient noise baseline figure (including the rest of the PC of course), tolerance to noise and usage profile.

E.g. if you only turn on the PC to play LFS and then you pump up the volume or wear headphones, the noise emission of the card becomes irrelevant.

That said you can have cards that draw little power but have nasty fans with an ugly noise profile (=hurts nerves) or simply noisy.

Hope you find this useful.

Thanks, definitely useful input there.

I do leave my pc running several hours a day, but to be honest I haven't once looked at the power consumption figures. I do turn the monitor off whenever I leave the pc, and when I'm sure I won't be using the pc for a while I usually turn it off.

I don't want to start a "Nvidia vs ATI" debate here, but I'd rather get an Nvidia card. I know ATI have some really good cards as well but... I don't know, I guess I'm just kind of an Nvidia guy I've always had Nvidia cards and never had problems with them so...

As for noise, I always wear headphones as I don't have any speakers ever since I moved my computer into the living room. So it's not an issue when I'm playing, but it can become annoying when we're just watching tv while the computer is running. The fact that the computer is practically right next to the tv doesn't help much in that regard, and then I haven't even mentioned that my girlfriend's pc is right next to mine and she leaves her pc running too. So we often have 2 computers running when we're watching tv We've gotten used to it, though, we hardly notice it anymore. Besides, this is all just a temporary situation until the renovations on our house are done and I can move my computer back into a seperate room, which will make the noise issue irrelevant.

Right, so far I'm inclined to order the 9600GT 512MB card. I'll do some more research and look for reviews that compare it to similar cards, but I think I've pretty much made up my mind

Thanks to everyone for the input. Don't let this stop you from commenting, though, I haven't ordered yet!
obsolum
S2 licensed
Quote from Mc21 :Buy the 1GB if you run a high res on your monitor

My monitor's maximum resolution is 1680*1050 so that's what I'm running.

Quote from AutoPilot :1gb is useful only for high resolutions which that gpu can't handle very well anyway, so generally it 's not worth it when it's more expensive. However, it doesn't hurt either, and since it's the cheapest, I'd say go for it.

The 512mb version from the same manufacturer is cheaper than the 1GB so if what you say is true then I would go with the 512MB. ASUS cards seem to be a bit more expensive than MSI cards. I have no clue why, I've only really been looking at MSI cards since those are the ones that seem to be more readily available at stores here.
obsolum
S2 licensed
Quote from kaynd :Indeed.

Also don’t bother going for the 1GB version… this is just a marketing trick. A card like this could never be able to render that “great amount” of graphics, to use more than 512ΜΒ of it’s onboard memory.

Go for the cheapest 9600GT 512ΜΒ… If you want to spend more money, consider buying a 9800GT or an ATI 4850. I already have a 4850 and I am really satisfied especially with its adaptive AA feature and the core’s performance capabilities.

Hmm, interesting. Thanks for the input. Any second opinions on this by other people?

I suppose the 512mb version would be just as good for LFS. I just thought the 1GB would give me a little extra in case I want to play some of the newer games. I don't want to buy a 9800GT because that one costs slightly more than I would like to spend. But now I'm worried that I'll have the same issue that JasonJ has with LFS. If I buy a new card I want LFS to look as crisp as possible, and not have any weird bugs or anything.

Argh... I really hate having to buy new graphics cards. So many different cards to choose from, and if you're not up to date with all the latest technologies like me, then it can drive you nuts
obsolum
S2 licensed
Alright, after some more comparing I think I'm gonna go with the MSI N9600GT Zilent 1G for € 146. Seems to be a pretty good card (although I actually don't know a lot about cards ) and the price is decent. I don't want to spend much more than that. I could go for the 512MB version for a little less than that, but I figure with this card I'll be a bit more "future proof".

Any valid reasons why I should not buy that card? Clock rate is 700mhz, memory clockrate is 1900mhz, as opposed to the 650mhz/800mhz of the 512MB version.

Only thing I'm wondering about is if my CPU is maybe not powerfull enough to get the most out of this card. In other words: will my cpu bottleneck this card? Like I said, I've got a Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 (@ 2.4ghz I believe it runs) and 2 gb of ram. PSU is powerful enough, no worries there.
Geforce 9600 GT 512mb or 1 GB?
obsolum
S2 licensed
It seems my graphics card broke down yesterday (at least I assume that's what the problem is) so now I'm on the lookout for a replacement. As I'm not really a gamer and the only thing I play is LFS it doesn't need to be a cutting edge graphics card. It needs to be decent enough to run LFS on 1680*1050 with AA on (I used to have it off 'cause my now fried card couldn't handle it).

So after a bit of looking and reading on the internet, I think the Geforce 9600 GT would be a good card for me. Only thing is... I'm utterly confused as to what differences there are between the different versions/manufacturers. These are the cards I'm looking at:
  • MSI VGA N9600GT-ZILENT 1G-PCI-e 1GB DDRIII 2DVI TVO Game € 146

  • Asus EN9600GT/HTDI/1GB PCI-E DVI-I € 153
  • Asus EN9600GT SILENT/HTDI/512M PCI-E DVI-I € 151

  • Asus EN9600GT Matrix/HTDI/512MB PCI-E DVI-I € 174


The first 2 have got 1GB of memory, the last 2 have got 512MB. What I don't get is why the ones with less memory cost about the same or even more. I've looked at their individual features but they all seem to be the same. Granted, I've not compared every single little detail, just the general product specifications. Does it have something to do with them havind different coolers? Eg. the ones with the "SILENT/ZILENT" specification will probably run quieter than the other ones. But is that really the only difference? Noise isn't that much of a point for me, I just want a card that will perform well and will allow me to play some of the more recent games if there should ever come one that interests me enough to play it Also, I have no idea what the "HTDI" stands for.



So I'm inclined to go with the 1GB version as my layman mind tells me "more memory = better performance". I know this isn't always the case, though, so if someone would be so kind as to educate me a bit on what sets these cards apart from one another and which one would be my best option for the things that I need, I would be very very grateful.



EDIT: oh, my cpu is a Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 and I've got 2GB of RAM.
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obsolum
S2 licensed
Quote from G!NhO ::doh: range rover vogue lol

if there would be a SUV in lfs than it should a sporty one like the BMW X5, Porsche Cayenne, Range rover sport, Mercedes ML 530 AMG or the Jeep SRT8.

If you're gonna list a BMW X-series, take the X6. Definitely sportier than the X5. Although I can see some people might argue if that qualifies as an SUV

As for whether there should be off road kind of cars in LFS or not, I'm not sure... My first thought would be "no", as they're obviously not cars designed to be raced on asphalt tracks. However, iRacing has got the whatyamacallit... Chevy Impala? Or something similar, a heavy pickup. Basically, if it drives you can race it. So why not? However, those kind of cars should only be added when S2 is final, IMO.
obsolum
S2 licensed
Nevermore - Dead Heart In A Dead World album (currently playing title track).
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