The rules have been updated with the latest changes, and some more info about cutting etc. The layout we will use for the race will be uploaded soon, but dont worry, there will be enough room left to drive, we are not going to put walls everywhere
http://www.franknaggies.com/24h/rules.php

The final quali result and server partitioning can be seen here, if you havent noticed the link in the other thread yet:
http://www.franknaggies.com/zt ... /Serveraufteilung_24h.jpg

Yes, we know that it would have been better to set the rules, and leave them as they are. But sadly GianniC has stolen my crystal ball, so I cant see the future anymore :P
Very well written post in general, though, Yaamboo

2 laps is nothing in a 24 hours race
the teams that have practised lapping slower cars will be successful, not the ones with the fast drivers. I mean, you can barely drive a lap without any car that needs to be lapped, or is lapping yourself.
Example: only 2 cars on track - one GTR and one TBO car. they meet each other every 3 laps
Now put 1+1 and imagine how its like with 25 cars

Patience is the key, not speed. To win, you need both

Im sorry but I cant change the rules for individuals. We already put 2 extra quali sessions just for Dustin and 2 others. If he doesnt manage to show up there, I cant go any further. It would be lame to allow him to race, while others have to fight for the 107%.
I know its hard because most of you know me for a very long time, but I cant make a difference between anyone. Same rules for all.

Since Bio has already signed off as he says, its up to you, Branislay, if you want to drive or not. All I can say is - do what you want to do, and not what the others tell you.

If your name is on the following list, then your allowed to start:
http://www.franknaggies.com/zt ... /Serveraufteilung_24h.jpg

This means, that the rule 3 cars minimum per class doesnt exist anmore. Im going to post the updated rules tomorrow, containing answers to most questions about the race (flying start, flag rules, layout/cutting, etc.)

Last edited by ORION, Sun, 20 May 2007 19:23.

Yes, Vykos is absolutely right (though Teemu is fast as hell), and the rules will not be changed. The race will be driven with 0/50/100.

the balancing has never changed, we use 0/50/100 for the whole event.

We make the rules, if you dont like them, dont race.

This vote makes only sense if all the 300 racers vote here, not just the FZR drivers.
Also, everyone can vote (not just the racers that signed up), so we should count only votes if the users actually post their vote in a post.


Anyways, I cant understand how people can be so arrogant and unfair to say that we are trying to change ("changing" from 0/50/100 to 0/50/100) the rules in order to give our team a better chance. All we are trying to do is making a fun event for everyone, because the former organizers from the 24h race decided to stop this. So, we took this job to keep this great event alive, but all you guys do is moaning.
This game is not about winning, its about having fun. If you dont understnd this, you dont understand one of the most important elements of the human nature - playing.

The LFS comunity is no longer what it was, and it doesnt deserve my work anymore. Furthermore it is not ready for a race like this, because everyone is egoistic and only wants to win, even though the race is not about winning.
This means we are currently thinking about cancelling the whole event - because everyone in the community wants to have a rule that makes themself win, and nobody cares about the authority of the admins. Everyone makes his own rules. Thus, why not also make your own 24h race?

-> The whole race will be cancelled, or everyone banned who doesnt accept the rules. At least this will be the last 24h race, IF it will take place at all.
Most ZT racers have also lost the fun to race, because you guys called us cheaters. Maybe you are happier when you win against a team that didnt even start. We have already lost right now anyway.


Thanks for making LFS what it is now.


So, you have the coice now:
A) Let us do our work and have a cool race.
B) Make your own race with your own rules.

Last edited by ORION, Sun, 20 May 2007 09:59.

So, did you FINALLY realize that we did actually do nothing, except saying we are going to do nothing? fine...

Than I can go to bed without having to worry

so, 0/50/100 is unfair, and 0/50/100 isnt?

remings me of the Verizon math thread tbh

Hey, maybe tomorrow a dollar is 10dollars worth, cool stuff

lol...

before: 0/50/100
now: 0/50/100

where do you see a rule change there?

Quote from MARSH2a :

You keep saying this but the fact is we decided on the car before any handicaps were added.

Well thats your problem, there were many days time inbetween, rather weeks, in which all the other teams managed to test the handicaps and change their car choice accordingly.

fxr isnt faster than xrr

The things you say begin to make less and less sense.
The XRR is the fastest car, so why is it fairer to make it even faster?

The last test patch is W24 and not 0/40/80 kg.

Or do you say "Im red pullover old"?

Its not about making it fair for drivers x in car y, we are just making it fair for ALL drivers... because you decided yourself. PERIOD.

You are free to sign out if you dont like this.

you dont seem to understand that the test patch version number has nothing to do with the balancing. Balancing was added in a test patch, and it changes by the master in all test patches, even if the cange is made after the patch is released. So we CANT go back to W17 for example, unless we put the settings back aswell.

So, effectively we dont change anything. Scawen changed the values, and we decided to keep the old ones.

nobody will drive the car on the limit anyways though, unless we force the teams to drive another car than the one they signed up with...

Quote from MARSH2a :

Or, just not change anything at this point. Why create this issue now?

exactly.... just dont change anything and stay at 0/50/100 like it was all the time...

Well, all we can do now is the following:

Set up a test 24 hours race and see which car is how fast, then change the handicap according to that, and drive the actual 24 race

start in 10 minutes on Race #1 server

We dont overrule anything. Scawen overrules our setting and we dont use it because it would be unfair to change things after people decided which cars to use.

Just imagine we change the settings and an FZR wins.
We cant use differnt settings within one event, its just unfair.

Again:
YOU made the decision.


I can only do what Scawen does all the time: If you dont like this, just make your own 24h race... We are trying really hard to get a great event - the biggest racing event in LFS history, and Im getting pretty sad if people like you come here and call this "a complete joke from the start".

You can be 100% sure that ANY other admin would have banned you for this. Im always trying to make things perfect, and the other 3 admins do the same. If you still dont like it, I cant understand that.


Please dont blame the admins for YOUR decision.


Now I know how Scawen must feel... really frustrating.

Quote from joshdifabio :

We did NOT know before qualifying that the FZR was slower than the other cars, as I just said. Although I don't really see that it matters.

But why did all the other teams know that? Because they tested the cars maybe? Why did you chose FZR and not XRR?

Further discussion is not needed, because there is only one fair AND consistent solution an admin team can do - let the racers decide. You DID decide.

Last edited by ORION, Sat, 19 May 2007 18:50.

The FZR teams have chosen themselves to drive this car, and they knew from the start that it is slower.

If we change any settings, the other teams with FXR and XRR will be moaning...

As said before, YOU have chosen the car - the admin team hasent done anything.

We will be using the old setting for the 24h race, which were present when the drivers have chosen their car. This is the only fair thing we can do, because otherwise everyone will say its not fair to change the settings afterwards. I dont want Scawen to make the decision who will win the race
So, people have chosen themselves.

FXR - 0kg
XRR - 50kg
FZR - 100kg

Actually, XRR and FXR are very equal with those settings.