Quote from dadge :

imitation is the best form of flattery

Now this really made me post - in which way it is the best?

(in regards of skins stealing, put your nick into the composition and you are safe + it should satisfy your exhibitionist ego very well, too)

+1 to the soon to be implemented allowreset option. But I disagree with Becky's reset=retire. I would prefer completely disabled reset key. And shift+S (which is obviously not an accidentally hit key) = retire from race.

I would like to offer our own CLC forum for further Caribbean Cruise related talk, improvement suggestions, bugs or problems reports, players reports *ahem* and help requests people.

I don't like spamming official LFS forums over some extend. I hope you will find yourself comfortable at our forums which looks a bit different but after some time you sure can get used to it just well.

Official CLC Forum link:
http://z6.invisionfree.com/citylife

Quote from MustangSVT :

These servers are fun. However I don't like that admins are pardon my language a55holes and don't give a refund if say people time out and lose a ridiculous amount of cash. I just worked hard for the past few hours only to time out for some reason and I know for a fact it's not my connection, it's the server's issue, and I lost about 7000+ money since my FXO was sold. This is pretty harsh and because of this I won't be playing on this server anymore, it's just too annoying to lose all that work if some noob crashes really hard into me and it's like "player didn't finish" and teleports me to pits or I time out somehow or so on.

I have no problem with being fined if you crash by yourself and such. However when it's blatantly obvious that you timed out and it's really not my fault now is it I was just cruising along and there's an admin on the server (in my case sccc|cropsy), and they refuse to do anything about it, that just pisses me off and I'm sure it pisses off other people too that they can't get a refund for the money lost. I read a few pages back that the server has no way of differentiating between people quitting or whatnot. I think it would be obvious if someone was trying to cheat by say quitting during a cop chase. But when it's obvious and it says "Player timed out" or whatever and they weren't in any incident (I wasn't anyway..), shouldn't somebody who admins or moderates the server give a refund for all that lost money?

Admins can't refund since they are playing by the very same rules and don't have any extra cash. Also, what about players who gets unfairly fined when there is no admin around? Ah you obviously don't care about anybody else but you, sure. Try to care less about your ego. Also saying that you know in fact you lost your connection because of the server problem and not your connection says something about you. Servers are hosted at 500servers and you would have a hard time finding more reliable hosting for the LFS server, plus I bet you were the only one who disconnected while other players continued playing just well. Really amazing twisted view...
In the other hand, disconnection penalty is something I am not happy with at all, and so called refunds (lol hillarious term for virtual crap but ok) of "your" lost cars which you have "worked hard to buy", by admins, is not really the perfect solution. This is the top priority issue for a next major version of CLIS.

regards,
A55hole Ray

CityLife project director and creator
Caribbean Cruise website designer
CLC admin

Quote from JasonJ :

Thanks CLC/CC I have now found the problem with my PC. My PC used to reboot itself after a few hours of LFS. I used to not care. But in CC you cant afford to be so complacent. A reboot might cost you +15,000 E. So after loosing about 4 FZ5's and a being to0 scared to drive expensive cars (BTW: which is just like in real life - who cruises their $350,000 Ferarri with no stress - this mod is so funny) I decided to look around a bit and try improve my system stabililty. Low and behold - I found my Zone Alarm firewall is crashing my PC, Tru Vector rubbish - LOL

Thanks CLC/CC - for helping me.

Haha thanks! It's like with "God helps you if you help yourself"

I especially liked your small letters there, you just hit my main idea behind whole this circus mate. Cool

Quote from sinbad :

I think we should post-modernise the look of the cars.

LOL great one!

Wallpaper anyone?

Quote from Streets Ghost :

several my screens

1 screen
2 screen
3 screen
4 screen
5 screen
6 screen
7 screen

Awesome screenies man, I also love the website design and your renders!

Quote from DrDNA :

Well, what seems strange to me is that the rules state that all users should observe posted speed limits and yet the money system rewards fast driving. The faster you go, the more you get, so what do you expect people to do?

Personally, I tend to spend a lot of the time hotlapping in order to save up for the more expensive cars, but I keep an eye on the map and do my best to ensure that I'm not rounding a corner in the wrong lane and 99% of the time it all goes well. However, as has been said, a lot of people really don't give a sh*t. There were two idiots in CC #2 yesterday driving around in black UF1's and they were all over the place driving flat out and blatantly ignoring the rules dozens of times per lap. Every time I saw them lap me from the other direction they were cutting corners and in my lane. Sure, they were probably having a blast, but they weren't concerned with anyone else.

Last thing I wanna mention is that I'm also getting tired of people stopping in the middle of the road to chat, including on a NUMBER of occasions, the cops. If I'm approaching someone from behind and they're just cruising, I'll usually slow down and pass when it's safe, but that's not easy to do when the person suddenly slams on the brakes to finish typing their message. It's extremely annoying and has left me limping back to the pits many times. If you're going to type a message, check your map or mirrors, put on a turn signal and PULL OVER.

As people have said, a greater police presence helps control poor behavior and also makes crusing much more interesting. Do you guys need more cops? I'd be glad to join, it would be an absolute joy fining people that don't wanna play along and preserving the experience for those that do.

Yes, the faster you go the more you earn. Because what would be the point then with already suggested reversed cash flow to buy a GTR? (There were suggestions to change the cash flow formula so that you earn nothing when stopped, earn max when going 90km/h, and again nothing when at 140km/h for exampleillepall). No no no, IRL you break speed limits because you need more time = money, right? Aside of pure joy of going fast. Let's have it here exactly like that! And instead of implementing some harsh system of autoban 2 weeks when crossing 100km/h let's have some better system of rewarding traffic cops for doing their job plus some system support for civilians so they can call 911 and report the wrong way morons or car crash.

I am quite happy with LFS cars and would not have a courage to say hey Eric, you suck, design something cool already.

But to all posters who say that newer cars are always worse than old, I would take Porsche cars as an example. From the 1st Carrera the every next model is just better and better. Everytime I see the new car from them I say myself "OMG now it's already totally perfect, no they can't go anywhere higher!" and I stick with that until they come with another
Sometimes they make a little mistaken step like those questionable front lights, then they step back and you get old good round lights on their latest 911.
I still think that 1970 or 1985 Carreras are beautifull, but the current model is simply mind-blowing. :bowdown:

Bottom line would be to say that there are awesome cars coming from all around the planet and all the different eras, including a modern one. And those in LFS offer really a variety. I honestly don't feel like anybody of us have any recipe of the success, so I rather shutup and wait for Scavier to surprise me once again. In a good way!

EDIT: recently found this awesome picture of rendered XR Turbo Targa, check it out!
http://www.sg-render.ovh.org/displayimage.php?pos=-145

Last edited by RAYfighter, Mon, 8 Jan 2007 08:23.

:ices_rofl Kid

Quote from ukg :

Apart from being full of n00bs and idiots (well in test phase anyway),

It's not a long time since we went public and both CC servers are almost constantly desperately full (2 x 23/23 players), so there is obviously a good chance to meet newbies there. And definetly also few idiots, as anywhere else after all.
Good thing to say about Caribbean Cruise is that the CLC guys are cool. (Which you can't say about few other places, unfortunately http://stewoo10.100webspace.net/index.php?topic=46.0)

Quote from ukg :

u lose ur car so much on that server, that after 30mins you lose the motivation to carry on.

Well, penalty for pitting outside garages is in rules. Or maybe just don't crash so much next time?

Quote from ukg :

also, if u ask some1 how to rob the bank or do the lottery ticket, no1 wants to help, cos they are all out for theirselves.

Aww common, I saw newbies explaining things on the server to "newer newbies" all the time. And noobs nicely say thanks in return. Not all join the Teamspeak server (www.maxheadroom.nu) so the chat is sometimes really flooded in game. Maybe they missed your questions?

Quote from ukg :

This server is a waste of time, well, I suppose all of them are in a way, but Id rather enjoy wasting my time thanks.

No problemo!

Quote from Jakg :

thats a very stupid thing to say - just lock the wheels slightly (ie if you have dirt on your tyres) and you can clip the wall, sending you into the marshall area - i lost a UF1 this way and i resent being told that i have no skill or brain due to clipping a wall, due to just being nudged on some grass earlier in the lap

I have edited restricted areas twice, moving all of them further away of the road. I also came on the server and asked people let's do some tests. I took UF1 and smashed it at 50km/h to the wall at the end of Highway 1 (by the roundabout) - nothing. Tried 3-4 other parts of the wall - nothing. Smashed at 80km/h - nothing, aside of everyone laughed at my salto after the crash (but I landed back on the road). Then some guy told me that he will show me how you can get fined, he took his XFR and went over the place, I was speccing closely.
The guy pumped the XFR at 150km/h and obviously went high in the air after the terrible crash, saying "See ray? I've lost my car like this".

Do I need to say anything more?

Quote from Btoryo :

Can you guys please remmove the Marshall on the bridge. It's kinda pointless. All they do is stand there and make people loose their cars.

And that's the point.
Well, make people without skill and/or brain lose their cars. Which is okay.

Quote from rediske :

...love the Idea, will definitely buy one when I see them in real !!! I'd prefer a black xl pullover having a pocket on the upper left sleeve and and a 'www.liveforspeed.net' all over the other (right) sleeve in a little brighter than black...

Ask any price for this one Victor, any!

You say Aston... I say FZ50 GTR!
AS Club? XFR/UFR?

Also picked Raceabout, this car needs more combos! (although I suck desperately in it, but keep trying to ride that beast)

I am reading carefully through your posts guys and also trying to listen to particular situations on servers...

Let me try to explain my reasons why the gameplay rules are set like this, and also try to think aloud why they maybe wouldn't work too well being changed like most of you want:

Main idea:
conceptual language: to add the real life respect when driving a car (or fear if you wish) to the game, which in return brings the adrenaline you get when driving €100.000 Porsche at 200km/h on the tight countryside road or through the night city.
in-game language: to reward players who never crash their car nor anyone else's car, but still can drive fast

The very 1st (naive) idea I've got was to read the damage level of player's car and make him pay for repairs. That's not possible to implement because there is no such information available within InSim packets.
Shift+S, Spectate and also leaving the server were not too realistic - cars mysteriously disappearing from the road are very arcadish indeed. Same for the most arcadish crap in this game - the RESET button. To penalize crashers, and also to make people nicely drive inside the garage to leave the track, we have introduced the pitting fine. RESET we hoped to be managed by the new dedicated server option "/canreset no" which is already in setup.cfg but unfortunately doesn't do anything yet. To futher reduce the reckless driving I also placed few restriced areas around the track which automatically put you in spec when you drive over them. (All of them are placed behind barriers and will get fine tuned to avoid capturing even light crashes when player is lagged)

This system brought two problems:

1. players get fined even when trying to properly pit from inside the garage:
   This is mostly caused by player's lag, especially when combined with "can't pit, player is connecting" when your car is slowly rolling outside the garage without you noticing and when you finally pit, you were already outside the detected area.
   If you've lost some cars like this, I would suggest to park in the middle of big garage at both ends of a working pitlane (those work as well and are easily accessible), your gear on "N" and your handbreak on, wait few seconds and press Shift+S when you are sure that your car is standing still.
   
2. players get fined when losing their connection to the server:
   We never wanted to punish you for your poor connection guys! I just wanted to catch cheaters who want to avoid paying fines (or escape from the police chase for example) by exiting the game with Alt+F4. Unfortunately InSim packets don't tell any difference between the "Disconnected" and "Lost Connection". If we turn this off, what will stop wreckers and cheaters from constantly slapping the door at the server? (leaving and rejoining again and again)
   

The fine how it works now:
your current car is sold for a 50% of its price which results in you losing that car but getting half of the money back on your account.

What you are suggesting:
you don't lose your car, you just pay 50% of its full price as the fine

It actually worked like that before we went public. Why we changed? Chris already explained above - if you don't have enough money, you won't sell your last car, i know you well!
With old rule we also had the bankruptcy feature - if you don't have enough money, you get 24h ban and then you can start over (your account gets reset). We removed the automatic banning because it goes to Scavier and they might suspend some licences after several bans/months.

Now we are seriously considering to get it back in a next version.

Downloaded them and using them, far the best XRT lights i have seen around!

thanks man, well done!

Quote from focho :

thanx for that franky

2 more things:

a) where can i find the hack for the no helmet thing (is it safe to use ?)
b) can we have more officers in server #2, i havent seen ANY

Thanx again

There is already an updated DOWNLOADS page at our official homepage with new patch_V sounds for the siren and a music loop:
http://www.maxheadroom.nu/clc/caribbean/

I will add the player hacker tool to remove the racing suit somewhere on that page soon too, because it seems to be demanded - just please join real racing servers in proper clothes with the helmet on!
There is already the recruiting for more cops for the server #2 going on, we will try to come with some rules to help cover both servers with admins and cops in the future!

There are now 2 servers sharing the same database.
They are both public now. 46 slots for your fun, thanks to Franky500 and his 500 Servers. Enjoy!

Quote from mrodgers :

DrDNA, there really isn't much they can do because of the "pit while in garage/don't hit marshal" part. It's just fact that if you disconnect, you will loose 50% of the car's value.

Franky, I was on pretty much all day, off and on. You probably already know this, but I'm on dialup, VERY solid dialup. The server was pretty much full all day, and of course I disconnected quite a bit. Lost many many cars. But the fact that I was able to connect and run for a lap or so says that it is a pretty stable server. Normally, with a full 23 connection server, I would lag out immediately upon entering. My max connection is around 18 people or less. So, I'd say it is nice and stable since I didn't lag out immediately. Later this evening (US), I had no problems myself with probably 15 others present. People complain about disconnects here and on other servers and blame the servers. Well, they need to look at their own connection if I am having no problems on 56k and they have problems on 2mb lines.

Now all we need is the lottery back to only allowing 1 per 24 with the insim, because the multiple lotteries were really getting out of hand. I could have choosen to do that and get my 6 or 7 cars back from my disconnects, but why cheat in a "fun" game that means nothing. I just don't understand it. One guy was pulled over by police and fined. He couldn't pay because he had no money. I watched him pull about 20 lotteries, even after multiple times being told, and sending all his money to his buddy. Then complained because he couldn't pay his fine. All the while, I lost 6 or 7 cars and was stuck in a UF1 all day because I don't cheat and go and get a second or more lottery ticket.

Nice post, thank you.

Quote from axus :

As one who followed the test patches, I'd like to say that Scawen has been one coding machine over the past week and his work has been nothing short of astonishing and inspiring based on the feedback received! His patience never ran dry even when sound feedback was most inconsistent! Thank you very much Scawen and enjoy your very well deserved rest!

And now a picky question from me: I was hoping for a /canreset=no to be working in patch V for a DEDI server already. But it seems that you can still reset your car eventhough this option is set to "no" in my server setup.cfg. Am I doing anything wrong?

Quote from viper-gt :

Whats with the password?

Server is very rarely passworded for service restarts - I organize restarts in the way that all people nicely drive to garages and spec/leave the server, knowing the temporary password we pick. They are told to join back after 3 minutes (which they never hold longer than 30 seconds! ) and since only them know the password, their spots are effectively reserved for them after the server restart.
Once I see those names back, I always open the server to public again.

Another possible cause of the passworded server would be priority connects of admins and friends to the full server. But those put it to a private mode really just for few seconds and only in case the server was desperately full anyways.

I hope this explanation answered your frequently asked question.

Quote from Vendetta :

great mod and all, but the server itself is having issues. It resets itself every so often, causing people in it too lose their cars this really needs to be fixed

We are working hard on it. Don't think that we don't care please
I will post any progress as soon as I will have something meaningfull to say.

Thanks for your oppinions guys. Good or bad. Just keep them coming!


(and no it's not sarcasm although I am well known for it)