First-n-Lastname: Tommy Østgaard
LFSW-Username: Tomhah
Carnumber: 01
Team: Team Rock Racing
I confirm that I will drive this round (yes/no): yes

Quote from Tomhah :

teamName: Team Rock Racing
class: GT1-Pro
car: XRR
number: 06
drivers:
- {Tomhah, Tommy Østgaard, Norway}
- {henqqa, Henri Tanskanen, Finland}
- {Masterboy19660815, Thorsten Ulrich, Germany}
- {Yuusei, Joe Letteriello, USA}
- {VTiRacing, Reno Kööts, Estonia}
- {Kristi, Kristóf Kerekes, Hungary}

Added Kristi.

teamName: Team Rock Racing
class: GT1-Pro
car: XRR
number: 06
drivers:
- {Tomhah, Tommy Østgaard, Norway}
- {henqqa, Henri Tanskanen, Finland}
- {Masterboy19660815, Thorsten Ulrich, Germany}
- {Yuusei, Joe Letteriello, USA}
- {VTiRacing, Reno Kööts, Estonia}
- {Kristi, Kristóf Kerekes, Hungary}

Last edited by Tomhah, Tue 29 Jan 2013, 14:45.

Next time!

Quote from boothy :

Looking forward to when the complainers lose almost a lap when the leader gets between them and the car ahead just before the SC Or when it's the final hour and there's a whole bunch of cars between the leader and the remaining lead lap cars.

This.

hmmm... :P Are you still running?

Looking through some old pictures, I must say my style have changed since I finished school

Pic 1 is two years ago. The other one is quite new :P

Quote from IsaacPrice :

Well an AM team would be eligable to be a pro team at any point, so why would they lose their points? That should be common sense. Only problem would be if a team could go the other way without issues, in my opinion.

Agreed. I cannot see any reason for why they should lose their points, tbh.

Anyone wanna join?

We're staying in Breda in The Netherlands!
Currently not too many, so everyone are welcome Hotel is really cheap, 25 euros in total for two nights!

Current list:
Philipp Roeben
Felix Hillen
Nicholas Wrage
Thorsten Ulrich
Gerrit Eckhardt
Tommy Østgaard

Anyone else wanna join?

You know that you can get controller inputs in the browser as well, yes?

But yeah, games like LFS in a browser isnt happening yet.

Thanks!

Quote from seniecka :

Very nice minimalistic website. I am just worried about the font. It seems that font is a bit pixelated. You should work on this.

The website is still in development, so we are thankful for all comments.
I have marked this one, and will work on it. Should be an easy fix

Thanks, guys! It warms my heart!

Well, that situation with his past joining was quite unclear, and happen when most guys left and formed Ixion. Because of this, the joining never actually happen really.

But now that our situation is stable and a whole lot different, we are happy to finally welcome him properly!

Last edited by Tomhah, Sat 19 Jan 2013, 22:13.

New website - new member



We are happy to announce a completely new website, and a new member, Reno Kööts!

Visit the website and read the news here: http://www.teamrockracing.com

Quote from Kristi :

I recommend Sma to anyone. Cool guy and he is capable of improving in the proper environment :P

100% agree here. He is a fantastic guy, both as a person and on the track. He is just great, really!

Quote from dekojester :

NDR Sporting Code VII.1 : "All drivers which start a session shall be listed in the session results."

Therefore, you are in the results. You are still placed, as per VII.1.2: "Drivers or teams participating in a session shall be classified as follows: By laps completed then time; or time, as appropriate. All drivers who start and are not disqualified will be ordered without considering current race status. Any driver or team who is disqualified will be placed behind all other starters. Any driver or team who does not start will not be listed in the classification."

Therefore, you are still CREDITED as the fastest of your team, since you are the highest placed. The GT1WS rule is actually interpreted as "HIGHEST PLACED" even though the rule states "FASTEST" as they are almost always one and the same. I will strengthen the wording following this round, so that it states highest placed, but it has been consistently enforced as fastest of a team. You are compared to your teammates, not the session result for the GT1WS lock.

Alright, thank you very much for the clarification

Quote from dekojester :

Allow me to explain the execution of results by way of example:

There are two drivers, A and B in a session, Driver A sets a fastest time of 1:30.12 and Driver B a time of 1:30.22.

1) Driver A gets Disqualified for whatever infraction, Driver B would be the fastest because he ranks higher than Driver A because Driver B is still eligible.

2) If both Drivers A and B get disqualified, Driver A would be the fastest because they are on the same eligibility level and A is faster.

How could I possible know this before you just told me? Is it written anywhere?
From the rule you and I posted above, that is not mentioned. If you invalidate all my laps so I do not stand with a single valid lap, I dont hold any laptime, and for that reason cannot hold a fastest lap. (By what I've read from the rules).

Quote from dekojester :

Since you were the only one to participate, you still have the fastest time: Even though they were disallowed to the official result (ie you can't use the times to get into the race) they are still used for the participation check.

Cool. Where is that written in the rules? I could not find it. Would been great if you could link it to me, so I know where to look next time

Last edited by Tomhah, Fri 11 Jan 2013, 17:45.

Quote from Denny12 :

facepalm

GT1 World Series Rules Book VIII.4: "The driver credited with the fastest time in pre-qualifying for a team will be locked to that team for the remainder of that round"


I have no time.

Quote from dekojester :

Yes you can change teams twice in the season.

No, you cannot change teams during a round once you have participated with a team. GT1 World Series Rules Book VIII.4: "The driver credited with the fastest time in pre-qualifying for a team will be locked to that team for the remainder of that round"

Even though your times were disallowed, you are still tied to #06 Team Rock Racing for the remainder of the round, so you cannot move to CoRe Racing or any other team.

Since all my laps were invalidated, I do not have a fastest lap, do I?

Quote from boothy :

I would like to ask a few questions to those who were disqualified (and even those who were not):

1. Did you know about the forum post by deko in post #2 of this thread before pre-qualifying started?
   
2. Did you know about the section in sporting code prohibiting wrong way driving?
   
3. Was this information included in the pre-qualifying PM?
   
4. Did you do all of your pre-qualifying outlaps via the pit entry?
   
5. Did you notice others doing it in the server?
   
6. If half of the field decided to ignore SC procedures in a race (and say, overtake before the s/f line), should they be penalised?
   

1. No, I did not.
2. No, I did not. But yes, I have read it.
3. Not as something I was thinking of specifically, no. I did not think of it/know.
4. No, I did not.
5. I was pretty much the only one there, so no.
6. If someone protested, yes, because they broke the rules and gained an unfair advantage. Which is cheating (in gaining an unfair advantage). None of us gained an unfair advantage, and I am not arguing about being penalized. I did something wrong. I have never said the opposite. I may have deserved a penalty, I will not argue against that. I broke a rule. But what I am arguing about is the penalty. The way it is now, I will get a harder penalty than if I blocked someone, or punt someone off. I guess that would have given me a 10-grid penalty, if they even bothered to protest.

Let me turn the last one around:
Lets say half of the field passed before the start/finish line, should all of them be disqualified from the race? I would consider that worse than doing what we did.

Last edited by Tomhah, Fri 11 Jan 2013, 16:35.

Quote from IsaacPrice :

no



Is Tommy allowed to do that?

Why should I not? You are allowed to do two team-changes a season. This is my first one. It says all my laps were invalidated, not that I am excluded from the round.
If TRR had a 2nd driver who had put in a good time to go further, I could have still driven the race and qual for TRR, couldnt I?

I do not mean that Deko should change the decision now that it is made, sorry if I made it sound that way. But I am discussing this to get the penalty down a nodge or two for the future rounds and leauges.

I do not agree that a DSQ is a penalty that fits. And I am by no means saying I did nothing wrong. I did. I am not arguing about that at all. I have clearly said it many times that I did something wrong.

What I am on about is the really harsh penalty from this. Driving wrong way for 5 meters without anyone seeing it, is not as bad on a simulator as in real life. Real life have something called safety, we do not in LFS. We cannot get hurt, and we have aids that helps us know about the conditions on the track. There are many different things we do on the simulator, that we do not in real life and the opposite. Again, I am not saying this should be allowed. I am saying (with my opinion) that the penalty is too harsh for the actual damage.

A pre-qual is not like a 30 min qual or a race with a full grid. Chatting is allowed as well.

So a DQ is in my opinion too harsh, and I mean a loss of fastest lap would be sufficient enough.

That is my opinion.

I am sorry if I made it look like I ment this only for GT1WS. This is not the first time I disagree with a thing like this. And I thought this was whar the thread is about. I was simply trying to state ny own opinion. I am not affected by any mood, please dont have a go at me when disagreeing. I respect your opinion and is gladly Reading them. And I disagree with you, but I respect that is your opinion.

I have admit I made a mistake, but that belongs to GT1WS thread. Will post here later and see if I can describe what I mean in a more understandable way. Now, I am back to work.

Quote from ZanZi :

A simple r/w barrier would've made people think before do.

Im with a bit of mixed feelings tbh. For the sake of applying the rules, sending out a message to the public that rules are strictly followed its right thing to do. But on the other side of the coin, we cant compare sim racing to rl simply because we're at home, cant get hurt (except if you lay your chin on the wheel and some one hits hard your car ).

In my view, the actual penalty given for breaking this specific rule is a tad too harsh. We're in a situation that the grid will have 2 empty spaces not because of lack of interest but because the rules say so. Rules usually are made to help contain a certain process in a pre-set margins and if the process goes beyond the margin - to be corrected by the "rules". In simple words - the rule as it is now is more of a hurdle than of any help.

In conclusion, i would just suggest invalidating the times infringing the rule, coming last in the pre qual order - filling up the remains of the spaces and enjoying the full grid in the race.

After all, this is pre qual, we run a more relaxed session (reset,spec,pit).

That is what I have been trying to day. Thanks!

To be honest, I do not think anyone would even mention it. If some had protested it, sure.
But I am not saying I did not make a mistake. I did. What I am complaining about is the extremely harsh penalty we got from this. I still fail to see how what I did was THAT bad. I am put in the same boat as a cheater. This is what I mean about politics. The harsh penalty we got for doing something that didnt hurt anyone.

I cannot see how this mistake is anywhere close to the penalty applied. Its not like it will harm anyone. We have a map on LFS, we know where all cars are. I am not saying what I did should be legal, I am saying the penalty is out of porportions.