It was released in 03, but there wasn't a big hype about it and most people didn't hear about it until 04 really.
This year(07) they added 100HP, puts it at about 600(thanks to help from McLaren's engineers IIRC) and now makes 560ft-lbs. There was rumours it was going to be 650 but I haven't seen anything. I have also heard they updated the suspension but I haven't seen anything for a long time.
I can't wait to see how it does =) Dodge has limited data on these compaired to most of the field so they might struggle a bit.
This year(07) they added 100HP, puts it at about 600(thanks to help from McLaren's engineers IIRC) and now makes 560ft-lbs. There was rumours it was going to be 650 but I haven't seen anything. I have also heard they updated the suspension but I haven't seen anything for a long time.
I can't wait to see how it does =) Dodge has limited data on these compaired to most of the field so they might struggle a bit.
Hehe I can look in a bit, but it's definatly off the new chassis 100% sure.
The CC is an awesome car and very cheap for the race performance you get from it =)
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/viper_competition.asp
The concept of the CC came from the GTS-R but it's the same tube chassis thats boxed in thats used on the current Viper srt-10.
When I talked to Dave when on my SRT trackday, crew chief for Cindi Lux, this was their big gripe with the vette's they used to run, chassis flex. They would dial a setup in, get the alignments right, take it to the track and the setup would get mushy when pushed hard because the Vette's chassis would twist and flex so bad. This was with the C5. He also had a complaint about Corvette's brake system, it worked well but needed to be rebuilt after every session whereas the viper, which they race with factory brakes, ran a whole season on one set of rotors.
This was the old Viper's before they purchased their CC coupes for this season.
The CC is an awesome car and very cheap for the race performance you get from it =)
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/viper_competition.asp
The concept of the CC came from the GTS-R but it's the same tube chassis thats boxed in thats used on the current Viper srt-10.
When I talked to Dave when on my SRT trackday, crew chief for Cindi Lux, this was their big gripe with the vette's they used to run, chassis flex. They would dial a setup in, get the alignments right, take it to the track and the setup would get mushy when pushed hard because the Vette's chassis would twist and flex so bad. This was with the C5. He also had a complaint about Corvette's brake system, it worked well but needed to be rebuilt after every session whereas the viper, which they race with factory brakes, ran a whole season on one set of rotors.
This was the old Viper's before they purchased their CC coupes for this season.
The CC coupe is based directly off a 2003+ production vehicle. They are shipped from the factory to Michigan where they are put together under a tighter spec with bushings and the like being replaced, as well as a cage being installed and the chassis stiffened.
The engine is minimally changed, suspension points are the same with A arms being the same as factory but new adjustable suspension additions were added (adjustable shocks with adjustable ARBS aswell as adjustable ride height)
There are differences but the chassis and most of the parts come from Dodge and are factory parts.
http://www.caranddriver.com/pr ... er-competition-coupe.html
I had a chance to see one of these close up when I did my SRT track experience. They are one nice bit of kit for the price =) To bad they are not road legal and you have to have a professional racing license to purchase one (the same as the all mighty GTS-R, which still holds the most EVER wins in GT1 racing, and people say American car's can't handle =)
As for the differences between GT2 and the CC I don't know, not much and IIRC Dodge intended this car to be able to run in GT2 class as is, as a racecar it's still fairly new so not many people have jumped on them yet and they are probably still trying to go through the tech process I donno =)
http://www.naykidracing.com/co ... n,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/
Naykid racing also uses the CC in Pro SCCA, car is looking promising there aswell against the Porsche's.
Another thing about Dodge and racing, unlike most companies Dodge does not finacially support many vehicles now, this year they have pulled virtually every form of funding and instead are offering technical advice and engineering help for teams wishing to run Mopar. Alot of companies directly fund factory backed teams and this puts Dodge at a disadvantage. Dodge teams will now have to come up with the money from other areas. I think this is why you don't really see the CC competing much.
The engine is minimally changed, suspension points are the same with A arms being the same as factory but new adjustable suspension additions were added (adjustable shocks with adjustable ARBS aswell as adjustable ride height)
There are differences but the chassis and most of the parts come from Dodge and are factory parts.
http://www.caranddriver.com/pr ... er-competition-coupe.html
I had a chance to see one of these close up when I did my SRT track experience. They are one nice bit of kit for the price =) To bad they are not road legal and you have to have a professional racing license to purchase one (the same as the all mighty GTS-R, which still holds the most EVER wins in GT1 racing, and people say American car's can't handle =)
As for the differences between GT2 and the CC I don't know, not much and IIRC Dodge intended this car to be able to run in GT2 class as is, as a racecar it's still fairly new so not many people have jumped on them yet and they are probably still trying to go through the tech process I donno =)
http://www.naykidracing.com/co ... n,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/
Naykid racing also uses the CC in Pro SCCA, car is looking promising there aswell against the Porsche's.
Another thing about Dodge and racing, unlike most companies Dodge does not finacially support many vehicles now, this year they have pulled virtually every form of funding and instead are offering technical advice and engineering help for teams wishing to run Mopar. Alot of companies directly fund factory backed teams and this puts Dodge at a disadvantage. Dodge teams will now have to come up with the money from other areas. I think this is why you don't really see the CC competing much.
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Last I heard there will be a DVD, but see what happens =)
Just how is saying "Gee-twen-ty-five" easier than saying "wheel"
You hiding behind excuses again Jak, face it you just like to showoff
I am sure it will EVENTUALLY make it into the servers. It's just a matter of when and how =)
I would have spent that money ages ago Becky =) Glad it was used =) Let me know if the hosting needs to be floated another month and I will see what I can come up with =)
Well with grip, then no grip issue could be summed as a tire issue. The tires in NASCAR use a tire specifically meant to handle the forces generated by running around an oval which is significantly higher than on a road coarse where the track is reletivly flat.
Not saying their are less forces involved with road racing, but the amount of load a sidewall is taking in stockcar racing is significantly higher thus requiring a stiffer sidewall which will give you a lower slip angle on a roadcoarse, which is what you are describing.
What I am saying is that if you adjust the suspension to perform under the different conditions they are the same as a GT car. I know when the road racers run with the NASCAR guys at the road course events they say that the stockcars perform on-par with their GT cars. Last I heard anyways.
Not saying their are less forces involved with road racing, but the amount of load a sidewall is taking in stockcar racing is significantly higher thus requiring a stiffer sidewall which will give you a lower slip angle on a roadcoarse, which is what you are describing.
What I am saying is that if you adjust the suspension to perform under the different conditions they are the same as a GT car. I know when the road racers run with the NASCAR guys at the road course events they say that the stockcars perform on-par with their GT cars. Last I heard anyways.
They don't publicly show this data from what I have seen, but it's fractions of LFS, something like 150 or so during peak IIRC, RF and GTR2 are about the same. I could be totally off with these figures, there's alot of private servers in both games that are very active... the reverse of LFS where most of the servers are public.
A stockcar will handle just as well as any other GT car of the same weight. It's a CAR there is no way in the world you could compare a car to a formula.
Who let the ignorants out of the box again?
Who let the ignorants out of the box again?
Hehe yeah there are exceptions to everything =) But then why would I want to play something with the exceptions when good drivers are far more common in LFS IMO =)
ISI's cars are decent and better than any of the other mods you can get, but they are still lacking IMO, but then it's all down to personal preference and which pieces you prefer to miss out on =)
I don't know how you can really compaire LFS to ISI sims. ISI is a full blown corporation, who's #1 goal is to fill their coffers. While the Devs do make money off LFS it cannot be that much considering the fact that LFS is 1/3 of the cost of any ISI game.
Anyone can make a computer game. Community is where it's at and there is nothing anywhere in the world where you can have such a cool community in any game =) I know many people that have made events, quizzes, and other stuff for demo guys so they can get the full program for free.
Has anyone ever tried to find a pick-up race in GTR? RFactor? Goodluck, virtually every server is passworded and you must be a member of a club to gain entry. Then if you do manage to find a server chances are they are not going to be good drivers because the good ones are all on the club servers...
Rfactor 2 is being developed ATM, it's going to cost the price of a full game supposedly, ISI have been using the same physics coding for years now, on top of that modders have full access to the physics so most cars in Rfactor end up driving like total pants. I have yet to feel the wheel go light under oversteering in RF, in ANY car including the cars made by ISI.
Sure it's nice to have boatloads of cars and tracks, there is over 10 gig worth ATM, it took me a month of downloading off and on to get them all, I won't even touch a mod now until there is a patch for it, sometimes 2. Some of the tracks are done very well, but IMO there just isn't enough controls on the mods and people end up making junk on the whole.
Anyone can make a computer game. Community is where it's at and there is nothing anywhere in the world where you can have such a cool community in any game =) I know many people that have made events, quizzes, and other stuff for demo guys so they can get the full program for free.
Has anyone ever tried to find a pick-up race in GTR? RFactor? Goodluck, virtually every server is passworded and you must be a member of a club to gain entry. Then if you do manage to find a server chances are they are not going to be good drivers because the good ones are all on the club servers...
Rfactor 2 is being developed ATM, it's going to cost the price of a full game supposedly, ISI have been using the same physics coding for years now, on top of that modders have full access to the physics so most cars in Rfactor end up driving like total pants. I have yet to feel the wheel go light under oversteering in RF, in ANY car including the cars made by ISI.
Sure it's nice to have boatloads of cars and tracks, there is over 10 gig worth ATM, it took me a month of downloading off and on to get them all, I won't even touch a mod now until there is a patch for it, sometimes 2. Some of the tracks are done very well, but IMO there just isn't enough controls on the mods and people end up making junk on the whole.
I realize this would be a tough one but IMO nobody racing in the series should be able to write race reports, no offense to anyone, I would do it too but whoever writes one it usually ends up being at least a little biased towards this person's team no matter how unintentional.
Problem is where would you get someone willing to write about a league they are not a part in.
Maybe a system could be setup where drivers from one league could write about another, this might at least help with the bias.
Problem is where would you get someone willing to write about a league they are not a part in.
Maybe a system could be setup where drivers from one league could write about another, this might at least help with the bias.
I have always found that the RF following is very "faddish" and they stick onto the "greatest" and "Latest" even if it's nowhere near good =P
He does have a point. He's asking whats the theoretical best possible laptime if the setup was spot on and everything was done correctly.
There are soo many variables for racing, I don't think there could ever be a best possible lap, other than the WR's currently available =)
There are soo many variables for racing, I don't think there could ever be a best possible lap, other than the WR's currently available =)
Yeah, the theories were around in the early sixties. In the 70's the US military started tinkering with it for satellites and advanced communication and it eventually made it into the commercial market.
Nothing has been forgotten, just delayed =)
Yes I agree =)
I don't mind whats used as long as there isn't a system that would allow people to upload hotlaps or qualify days before a race.
Good point =) Never thought of it that way before, drivers are feeling safer so they are making more dangorous manuvers, sounds about right =) That GP2 start and T1 looked almost like a start on a public LFS server =)
Not hush hush persay, just waiting for the right moment to tell everyone whats being released until it's all been tested and finalized. Anything you have heard or will hear until release is purely speculation and while some of it may be true other bits might not be 100% accurate purely because the software is still being tested, so the offical answer is, and always has been...
Wait and See
Ok dustin you can stop spamming now
faster camera's as in changing direction or faster capture rate?
=)
BF2 and any other game that can be played over multiplayer if the game is cheap enough =)
This new CTRA package is going to be sweet once everything is running =)
Hehe The internet has been around since the 60's and the idea started in MIT.
Well probably not, but it's the same displacement =) Still, why create engines if the technology being developed isn't used in anything production wise.
If there is I was wrong and will shut up.
I just want to see F1 change.
Curious, what has come out of F1 technology wise? (genuinely curious)
If there is I was wrong and will shut up.
I just want to see F1 change.
Curious, what has come out of F1 technology wise? (genuinely curious)
LOL 
I great way to wake up in the morning =) LOL
I great way to wake up in the morning =) LOL:edit: F1 engiens are not 2.8 liters, they are 2.4 V8's with a 98mm max bore and a 39.7mm stroke. Or the piston size and stroke of a 1.2 i4.
"While there is currently an engine freeze that effectively bans constructors from developing new engines, there is much speculation on the engine regulations once the freeze is lifted. The FIA and FOM have made statements indicating that both want F1 to be more environmentally friendly and at the same time, be on the front line of future engine development. There is also speculation of a return to turbocharged engines based on comments made by the FIA on finding ways to effectively harness waste heat energy from the cars exhausts. The FIA could introduce 2.2 litre turbocharged V6 engines running on biodiesel in 2011, restricted to 10,000rpm and capable of enduring five Grand Prix, to attract generalist automakers with resembling products.[8] This could come along the introduction of traction control, four-wheel drive, power boost devices and identical bodywork to save on aerodynamic competition lacking real-life applications."
Wouldn't want to see TC but the engines sound reasonable. Who in a real car would use a 2.4liter V8 with an almost 20k redline?
"While there is currently an engine freeze that effectively bans constructors from developing new engines, there is much speculation on the engine regulations once the freeze is lifted. The FIA and FOM have made statements indicating that both want F1 to be more environmentally friendly and at the same time, be on the front line of future engine development. There is also speculation of a return to turbocharged engines based on comments made by the FIA on finding ways to effectively harness waste heat energy from the cars exhausts. The FIA could introduce 2.2 litre turbocharged V6 engines running on biodiesel in 2011, restricted to 10,000rpm and capable of enduring five Grand Prix, to attract generalist automakers with resembling products.[8] This could come along the introduction of traction control, four-wheel drive, power boost devices and identical bodywork to save on aerodynamic competition lacking real-life applications."
Wouldn't want to see TC but the engines sound reasonable. Who in a real car would use a 2.4liter V8 with an almost 20k redline?
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