This is what I was trying to say from the get go, basically =)I agree, if your only competitive after many laps on the track you need to rethink your learning curves =) I know I have not raced 1/10th of the combo's available in LFS, but thats what will separate a good driver from a great driver IMO.
I like those ideas. I don't see a problem with small forced induction engines. They can produce power figures the same as any other larger displacement engines. I know Honda i4's and Dodge's 2.4liter i4 have been dyno'd to over 800hp (846 for Dodge 2.4, with about 500Ft-lbs with a 7500 redline IIRC, not sure what the honda engine was on)
They are already down to a 2.8 liter V8, a 2.4 liter i4 would sound a whole lot meaner than the engines now, you wouldn't get the revvs but they would sound a bit like a real car again. If you check piston size a 2.8 V8 would have the same dimensions as a 1.4 i4, so even though they are V8's at the very basics it's two 4's put together. There are lots of technical bits in between but displacement is displacement and there is only 1 way to get that, piston size and stroke, which along with heads gives you most of the exhaust notes.
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They are already down to a 2.8 liter V8, a 2.4 liter i4 would sound a whole lot meaner than the engines now, you wouldn't get the revvs but they would sound a bit like a real car again. If you check piston size a 2.8 V8 would have the same dimensions as a 1.4 i4, so even though they are V8's at the very basics it's two 4's put together. There are lots of technical bits in between but displacement is displacement and there is only 1 way to get that, piston size and stroke, which along with heads gives you most of the exhaust notes.
=)wow... yeah there are so many things that could have been moved even a few inches he wouldn't have survived that! Not sure what happened, but it seems he pulled a LFS T1 crash... Then the start two cars collided aswell, with a wheel getting close to the drivers compartment.
I like them both. Option 2 is simpler causing less confusion among the drivers but Option 1 will give you better drivers in div 1 I think. Sure it sucks to get stuck behind someone, but thats racing and a good racer can get by a slower car fairly easy.
Granted this is conditional that the drivers racing actually know how to handle T1.. I think it might just be easier to use Option 2. Reversing the the top 8 would work out good too.
I think most people by now can handle it, but there is always that one driver or two...
Granted this is conditional that the drivers racing actually know how to handle T1.. I think it might just be easier to use Option 2. Reversing the the top 8 would work out good too.
I think most people by now can handle it, but there is always that one driver or two...Awesome Birder! I didn't know you were a trackday'er either =) I will have to remember that for when I go 
I am glad he enjoyed it and I hope he seriously considers hopping online every once in a while =)
I am glad he enjoyed it and I hope he seriously considers hopping online every once in a while =)
I wouldn't want to see a hotlap prequali system. While it will give you the quickest drivers it will not automatically give you top quality racers. I could think of quiet a few racers that could put in some wicked hotlaps but suck at actually racing.
I think an event would have to be held before the begining of the season to choose the teams that would be in division A or who will be stuck in B for the season =)
Maybe having as much as 3 races with quali held on different configs to minimize actual practice time before the event which IMO will give you the best drivers out of the new teams coming in. Anyone can set near WR times with plenty of practice, just check the AS national GTR races, it takes a real driver to win across multiple tracks in one day. At least I feel that way. Keep it to two man teams, like BOTT is now, and let the track decide.
I think an event would have to be held before the begining of the season to choose the teams that would be in division A or who will be stuck in B for the season =)
Maybe having as much as 3 races with quali held on different configs to minimize actual practice time before the event which IMO will give you the best drivers out of the new teams coming in. Anyone can set near WR times with plenty of practice, just check the AS national GTR races, it takes a real driver to win across multiple tracks in one day. At least I feel that way. Keep it to two man teams, like BOTT is now, and let the track decide.
Considering the caliber of teams that were put in last year I think it would work well like that. But I think you still should give a chance for some of the new teams to run in division A =) Maybe have the last slot or two up for an event race that the top two teams coming off the event have first dibs? Your league, not trying to push anyone into anything, just giving up ideas
I asked Sam to clean The_Angry_Angels thread up since the SRT discussion went a bit farther than anticipated and he decided that your post was the first one to be moved, thats all =)
Hehe no fuss really. wheel4hummer and I were just having a dicussion =)
They only sold the car in the states and nobody really knows about it so I wouldn't expect anything like that =) They did the Civic, thats not a sports car =)
EVO's and STI's are decent for handling, I think they give drivers a false sense of security though.
It was getting a bit old, I will say it's a sports compact sedan that will kick your arse! that sound better? =P
They only sold the car in the states and nobody really knows about it so I wouldn't expect anything like that =) They did the Civic, thats not a sports car =)
EVO's and STI's are decent for handling, I think they give drivers a false sense of security though.
It was getting a bit old, I will say it's a sports compact sedan that will kick your arse! that sound better? =P
Well I am on the fence about this. Performance wise it's just as fast as any other sports car, like a BoxterS, STi, EVO. I don't see a difference from my car to any of those. The only thing that really detracts from any type of "Sport" is it's FWD, but that shouldn't really matter. A sports car looks good, stands out, and goes fast and I think the SRT fits all of those.
Well they sold 25,000 over 3 years which is treble of what they expected. In the states the car is dominating the Rally/hillclimb scene and dominates the autoX until the rain pours down then the AWD's take over.
http://www.onelapofamerica.com/index.shtml?place=fifth
When I was refering to USD50,000 that was the BoxterS.
If it's not a sports car what is it? (insert neon joke here)
When I went to get insurance its under the compact sports car insurance group. I guess you could call it a tuner car, but there's nothing tuned on it and it's pure factory.
I will refrain from calling it a sports car if you accept the fact that it's one badass car
LOL sorry, I don't have the pound symbol on my keyboard and I haven't set up a key for it yet. What I meant was you could get an old clunker out of a junkyard and fix it up to run with most cars on the road for under 10k GBP
nothing wrong with forced induction. Only thing thats neon on this car is the chassis, but hey if you still want to call it a neon 
It will still keep up with many cars out there. Thats like calling the R32 just a Golf and it's nowhere near a Golf the only thing the same is whats the same on the SRT, the chassis.At the end of the day I don't really care what people think =)
For the ultimate car I would much rather have NA over forced induction anyday, but practicalities kick in and start limiting choices rather quickly. The SRT-4 stands out among everything if your looking for a daily driver that cheaps on insurance, good gas milage(for a sports car), seats 5 comfortably, room in the trunk to hide multiple dead bodies, and will still kick it in the pants when you hit the floor. All this from a factory vehicle, with a 7 year bumper to bumper warranty for under $23,000. You couldn't come close to this car for performance until you were atleast in the $35,000 plus range and its still performing on pace with cars that cost over $50,000.
When taking into account all those items it's an awesome car. Absolute performance, hell no, I didn't mean to sound like that. There are plenty of other cars that would be much more interesting to drive than a FWD front end heavy sports car sedan. But when one has to think of practicalities this would rank pretty close to the top for someone to get ahold of and have some fun on the weekends, drive to work everyday, and take the kids to the park in the evenings.
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Well they had to make somoene a backmarker
Aweomse, think I am going to have something to watch at work tonight =)
Patience my young padawan... patience =)
NG I knew you were joke, but other people might not =) 
NOOOO!!! That was the only reason I left
Thanks Mate =) I will defiantly be on MSN...if I can get it to work again... it hasn't let me connect since I switched ISP providers, I reset my router so I think that might be the problem.
NOOOO!!! That was the only reason I left
Thanks Mate =) I will defiantly be on MSN...if I can get it to work again... it hasn't let me connect since I switched ISP providers, I reset my router so I think that might be the problem.
Sure.... but they are 5-12 years older than the SRT-4... and they are just under 100 pounds lighter with 1/3 less torque. But you would get All Wheel Steer(AWS), but then your not stock and I could say add another 800GBP into the SRT-4 and you would have a car with 300HP, for another 2k you could have 355. :Shrug:
Atleast try to find a car thats new to compair it to. I am talking about factory cars, not modded cars. I could pick up a 500pound car out of the junkyard and get it to run just as fast as most sports cars for under 10k
Atleast try to find a car thats new to compair it to. I am talking about factory cars, not modded cars. I could pick up a 500pound car out of the junkyard and get it to run just as fast as most sports cars for under 10k
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:headbang:LOL Refer to Sam's first post =)
Congrats to Becky aswell =) I believe we both have joined the next big thing to hit LFS =)
Yeah, I need to find a new home for the computer so I can play during evenings, anyone say garage? =)
Hehe, too bad you have to wait until I am lapping you =)
Thanks Sully =)
LOL =) NG it wasn't Muroc that made me leave, far from it, it was just that UKCT has been my home really for the last 6 months and I wanted to offically be a part of the team =) I hope you guys don't think that it was because of something you guys did or didn't do, I may have come across that way on the forum and I didn't mean to. =)
UKCT has many things that a "normal" LFS doesn't have IMO. They regularly play other games such like BF2 and some other games. Then there is the TS channels, radio, the list can keep going =) With Becky on the CTRA coding side and 3-4 members on the admin side of CTRA and with all the new things rolling out for LFS through UKCT I wanted to offically show my support for the systems and it was just a good choice =) They dabble in so many things, not to mention virtually all of them know at least one form of scripting or coding language =)
Muroc has some of the fastest drivers in the game, most of them are aliens in themselves and are right up there with all the other top drivers. They just have not had the chance to prove it yet =)
Thanks Zeugmond =)
AlienT. I didn't even think anyone even read any of that =) Nice to see that someone actually did!
Yeah, I need to find a new home for the computer so I can play during evenings, anyone say garage? =)
Hehe, too bad you have to wait until I am lapping you =)
Thanks Sully =)
LOL =) NG it wasn't Muroc that made me leave, far from it, it was just that UKCT has been my home really for the last 6 months and I wanted to offically be a part of the team =) I hope you guys don't think that it was because of something you guys did or didn't do, I may have come across that way on the forum and I didn't mean to. =)
UKCT has many things that a "normal" LFS doesn't have IMO. They regularly play other games such like BF2 and some other games. Then there is the TS channels, radio, the list can keep going =) With Becky on the CTRA coding side and 3-4 members on the admin side of CTRA and with all the new things rolling out for LFS through UKCT I wanted to offically show my support for the systems and it was just a good choice =) They dabble in so many things, not to mention virtually all of them know at least one form of scripting or coding language =)
Muroc has some of the fastest drivers in the game, most of them are aliens in themselves and are right up there with all the other top drivers. They just have not had the chance to prove it yet =)
Thanks Zeugmond =)
AlienT. I didn't even think anyone even read any of that =) Nice to see that someone actually did!
This is only the tip of the iceburg =)
Thanks =) I know I am nowhere near the fastest around in LFS, but I do hope I am one of the most approachable =) If anyone needs a set while I am online or any tips just ask nicely and I would be more than happy to lend you a few minutes of my time.
Thanks Sam and Thank you UKCT for letting me be a part of the team =)
Hehe, well you could get one bought, shipped, and on the road for less than 10k pounds easy. Why you would want to swap the engine out I have no idea though, these engines and drivelines are rated from the factory to withstand over 350BHP in race conditions and most people run them over 400BHP before doing engine internal and driveline changeovers. Max HP I have seen so far is in the low 800 range. Most people are running 400-500 or so that are modding alot. For 2k pounds or so you can add another 120HP with a Mopar Turbo kit puttin gyou right around 355 with race fuel and 5 ECU preset settings, with a WOT feature which cuts the spark but keeps fuel running that explodes when it hits the manifold spooling the turbo during shifts.
Fuel isn't going to make THAT much of a difference. The reason I have to use premium is the way the combustion chamber is made, which is the unleaded version of the old favorite Hemi. (double pent cloverleaf for anyone interested)
I disagree and can prove it =) What is the fastest 1/4 for any factory Civic? 14.9? 15.0? I have ran 13.7's and this car can get the power down just fine, just have to launch it like a V8, about 2k RPM's with a bit of clutch slip instead of the Civic Flooring it and hope for the best like all the civic guys I have seen =) The big advantage here to the SRT is the Quaife torque sensing LSD, but then the new Civic's also have their own LSD...
Then the argument that a Civic handles better, the standard Neon is the same as Honda's best model civic numbers wise, but it feels sloppy and more like a muscle car than a FWD, when compaired to the Civic, until you bring in the ACR and you simply cannot compaire the two(The ACR has the same performance figures of a BoxterS) Some people say that this latest generation Neon chassis had more flex than the Civic's, in reality they have the same amount of strength when tested by MT?
I am not saying Civic's are not great cars, they are, very much so. But when you say that a civic will outperform an SRT-4 out of the box your being mislead, in a major way. Once you start putting aftermarket parts on then none of this really means squat and both cars are an even match.
Srry The_Angry_Angel for hi-jacking. If you want I can ask Sam to clean the thread up for you =)
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Well when Dodge went to get the car tested for the HP figures they heatsoaked everything so technically it does make 230HP at the crank, but every dyno I have seen of someone's factory SRT they have made between 225-240 HP at the wheels giving you more like 270 HP at the crank. 230HP at the crank couldn't give you a 5.3 second 0-60 in a 2870 pound car =)
The SRT-4 offers alot of things a civic Type-R cannot in terms of performance and it's still the fastest Factory FWD built to date, but like the Viper (The same team of engineers that made the SRT-4 also built the Viper) there isn't much in the way of electronic gizmo's, but it's still by far the best bang for your buck you could get for a new car, which if you bought an 05 you would still have 5 years of warrenty left.
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