Everything you guys said all I can do is

There is a difference between UKCT and CTRA. UKCT has no governing body functions and is just like any other team.

CTRA is bigger than any one team and just because the people running it are from UKCT does not mean it IS UKCT =P

For this league I would step away from CTRA duties regarding anything ESport and would handle the UKCT National functions only.

I know why Dan has reservations about this league but what is concerning everyone else?

I will give it a closer look =)

UK league Thread

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=611378#post611378

Quote from Vykos69 :

On wednesday 5th of December, the UK/IRE league of the eSport Touringcar Masters will start. You love the thrill and got fuel running through your veins? Go grab your chance! Sign in for the eSport Touringcar Masters and prove how fast you really are. Put the pedal to the metal, race for prices and maybe your personal ticket to the Worldchampionshipraces.




The Qualifying is open to everyone and utilises a well known tracking system: After you have registered on our site, you have 20 free laps to do on the eSport Racing server. Your laps are tracked and the fastest laptime counts for your qualification. The best 22 Users will get their place in the first national UK league! All qualifying results will be viewable on esport-racing.com. You missed to qualify for the first league? No problem at all, we will provide a challenging league for everyone! The places 23-44 will get into the second national UK league and so on and so on.

More Infos on the UK eSport Touringcar Master:

The same cars are driven as in the international eSport Touringcar Masters and also the tracks are the same. All races will be held Wednesdays from 19.30 UCT on. You find all details about the races in the RULES. If you have any questions regarding the league, sign up process or something else, just go to our forum and ask. And now Gentleman, Start your engines!
Head over to our UK/IRE qualifying server here:

Server: 1. UK-IRE eTM Qualification
Password: qual4etm

Tracker

Website: http://www.esport-racing.com/index.php
UK section http://www.esport-racing.com/l ... p;liga_id=25&langid=1


Rules: http://www.esport-racing.com/index.php?action=rules
On Track infractions will follow CTRA racer rules (link to follow)


Forum: http://www.esport-racing.com/wbb.php
UK Section: http://www.esport-racing.com/board.php?boardid=46


LFS Tracker: http://www.lfs-tracker.de/quali_mode.php?league=154

Start Date: 05DEC2007 @ (TBH)

I will try to get a comprehensive post done up later today.

You asking for an English news section on E Sport Dan?

Cmon people, this is a great opportunity to show your stuff =)

TypeRCivic,

The problem is on the CTRA servers we do not allow passengers. Most servers do. What's happening with your setups is that older setups are recognized as having a passenger when in reality they don't. If you take the "Race S" setup and duplicate your older setup you should find that you will be able to race.

It's a bug, but only from older setups and then only when the server creates the rule of no passengers allowed does it show up. Hopefully this works for you =)

As for XRT races the CTRA Race 2 server bounces between the GTR's and the TBO classes so you should be able to find some great racing in there for the XRT. If not you can always try out the GT2 classes of cars, they are tons of fun too =)

Quote from SparkyDave :

I would have thought if UKCT were incharge there would be everything explained before 9 days before the start

so is it UKCT, or esport-racing ? or is one a subsiduary of the other?

Is the UK entry fee £4 ish? anyone?

do I get a VAT reciept? ;P hehe

seriously tho no posts yet in the UK league forum?

SD.

The announcement wasn't ideal for anyone involved. =) VAT free because its under 18 pounds =) Least thats how I think it works :scratchhead: No posts yet because nobody has posted =)

Will have to wait to see what Vykos does with the CTRA league rules used for sanctioning leagues but it shouldn't be too dissimilar to the ones used for on track infractions for the STCC. I will hope to post more up on the ESport website and I am sure Vykos will be posting more stuff up on the website soon aswell.

Last edited by Viper93, Sat 24 Nov 2007, 07:15.

Could you post up some pictures and dimensions please? I live near Oxford but space is prime =)

UKCT will be running the UK/Ireland side of things and CTRA will be sanctioning all International and National events.

MotorDirex, Stay tuned to the STCC. I think you may find next season appealing =)

Quote from JTbo :

There is absolutely no point comparing GT1 cars and road going versions of the same, they look similar, that is about it.

You can get even a bus to handle on track if you have resources, it does not mean that your average bus is any good at all on track.

True =) The GTS-R they also came in a street version which only changed enough to meet safety requirements and it was called the GT2. But your right.

So we step aside from that, all anyone has told me so far is that the Viper cannot handle because Jeremy Clarkson said so. To me that sounds a bit like mob mentality and nobody is actually thinking for themselves. Do I need to post data again?

Tristan, I know you use a datalogger when you race, how much can your lateral 'G's tell you? What I am getting at here is there were claims that performance data doesn't mean anything which is not true.

What is true that unless you have tested each vehicle on the same day, at the exact same time, with the exact same conditions you will never get an exactly perfect picture. I realize that. But you honestly think that the results could be messed up so badly that the figures mean nothing? I think not.

You would have to take data from multiple tests taken over a period of time to get a perfect picture, but they do give a good idea on what the vehicle is capable of.

Quote from tristancliffe :

How do we know 'The Stig(s)' don't race in real life as well?

At least I woke some people up =) I enjoy TopGear but come on people do you really believe 1/2 of what they say? I take everything with a grain of salt. They are on TV for one purpose, entertainment. It's always good fun to watch people arsing around in cars, but jeez.

Since I pissed even more people off here are some facts about the stig. While these are not really facts just more rumor. Nobody really knows besides the TopGear crew.

"For the first two seasons, The Stig was Perry McCarthy, a former Formula One driver as well as a test driver for three F1 teams. A new Stig took over from McCarthy after the original Stig's "demise" at the beginning of Season 3. On the 18 March 2006 the former Stig, Perry McCarthy, revealed that currently there is no one single test driver, but multiple test drivers who masquerade as the Stig; he said this when he appeared at a Palmer Sport activity day in Bedfordshire, UK. Rumours have it that one of the new Stigs is Damon Hill and occasionally Colin McRae. And in January 2006, the Daily Express claimed that the identity of The Stig is former Formula 1 driver Julian Bailey."


You all can keep on believing your stupid American Stereotypes You are shown facts and don't believe them

Here is the GT1 Website. Ferrari has of this year Bumped Dodge off the top spot for Manufacturer wins, but then someone is bound to when Dodge pulled their funding on their GT1 cars and Dodge has not been competing since 2004. Dodge still has the top spot in the makes wins, that will probably change next year though too. It's taken 3 years for the other manufacturers to catch up though =)

http://www.fiagt.com/hof.php

Quote from JTbo :

I'm sure Top Gear's laptimes are not best to compare cars, but they show something, I'm pretty sure of

13
Chevrolet Corvette Z06
1.22.4

39
Dodge Viper SRT-10
1.28.5

Hehe =) It does show something, it shows that the Stig Can't drive, if he could he would be running real races =) Didn't they have an F1 driver show up and run a lap time 3 seconds quicker than the Stig?

You can't really believe much of anything on Top Gear. The show is for entertainment purposes only.

Quote from Crommi :

For me the main issue with Viper is the looks, it just doesn't look exciting at all. Supercars are the cars you see in posters and desktop backrounds, they need to have the looks to them stand out in a crowd and make you wish you would someday own one yourself.

Well there is a Supercar Calender up here at work and the Viper is July's car. Right after the Ferreri 430 and before the Konegggzzkkke. It's all down to preference concerning Supercar status.

However saying that the vette has better handling than the Viper isn't accurate at all. The Viper comes with a tube chassis that is boxed in. The corvette comes with a unibody chassis. I had a chat with Dave the Crewchief for Cindy Lux that runs the GT Vipers in the States. Dave said that they orginally tried running the Vette but when they started pushing the car their whole setup went sloppy. This was because of the unibody and they switched to the Viper and since then have domintated the National GT races.


Here is a comparision from Edmunds of the 2008 Viper and Z06.

http://www.edmunds.com/insidel ... Comparos/articleId=122700

Quote from JTbo :

It is capable of good g-forces but I believe problem is that one can't really use those capabilities, that is impression I have got from track tests and such.

Oh yes and door seals start melting if you boot it too much, that would help to get it to supercar class for sure


Booting means flooring, right?

Go check the FIA GT1 site, As of a few months ago it was still number 1 on the all time wins and championships for GT1. The reason why it gets stated the way it does in car mags and shows is that is what people think, which is not the case, just a mentality that people have of american cars. It just isn't true. Slalom numbers will give you how well the car can transition which will give you a good figure for racing. For the Viper your over 75MPH nearing 80 for a 700' slalom. Another thing is that the car does require a bit more finesse because of the additional torque. Nobody wants to hear that an American car can actually handle.

Quote from JTbo :

Viper is a muscle car, those musclecars are really powerful cars that lack some handling and other characteristics of good track car, but are still really nice to hear and they might be pretty quick on straight line (if there is no big bumps)

Maybe there is better definition in supercars.net or somewhere in wiki, which cars can be seen as a supercar.

However my Volvo beats Viper any day, in running costs but I'm sure that race is pretty even

Where is everyone coming up that the Viper cannot handle? Then or now? Where is your proof because the numbers sure don't show that, the oposite actually.

As much realism as you can get =) I used a clutch and shifter on my Momo until the upshift stopped working. I have a gated shifter in the states, but I have not sent it over yet. Once I get that I will be back to manual clutch again =)

Quote from squidhead :

and it's not anywhere near the supercar performance
that's like being 25 years old and still being in high school...

pity, the RT/10 was a beaut.

http://www.caranddriver.com/au ... 08-dodge-viper-srt10.html

Not supercar performance?

Performance (2008 base model):
0-60: 3.5 sec.
0-100: 7.6 sec.
quarter mile: 11.6 sec @ 128 mph
top speed: 202 mph
slalom: 70+ mph
skidpad average g: 1.06 g
100-0: 270 ft



If thats not supercar performance I am on crack =) true Dodge classes these cars more towards a musclecar. But in reality it still has a wicked suspension. Dodge left FIA GT1 in ?2001? and they are still ranked number 1 for all time wins and championships. They would still be in it today if it were not for political reasons. (IE the leagues wanted too much money from the car manufacturers to let the car run type stuff, so Dodge has pulled factory funding for virtually every type of racing with the exception of NASCAR which is just a running commercial anyways)



I know nobody really mentioned it but I wanted to squash the idea that Dodge's cannot be a supercar because they cannot turn. It's more like the drivers driving these cars cannot cope with the massive amounts of torque these engines produce.






For me my favorite supercar is the 2008 Dodge SRT-10 ACR, big brother to my little ACR =)

http://jalopnik.com/cars/la-au ... iper-srt10-acr-320554.php


For a practicle performance car I chose the fastest FWD to ever hit the market. 30 MPG 0-60 in 5.3 and slalom above 70mph and skidpad nearing .96 all for 12,000GBP shipped new =)

http://www.automobilemag.com/r ... dodge_srt4_acr/index.html


I don't know why he chose the F40, but hey. Maybe he chose it to get a reaction from people =)

Another nice car is the Ultima GTR =)

Last edited by Viper93, Mon 19 Nov 2007, 08:39.

155 MPH at Road America in a factory Viper. I have done 150 once in my SRT-4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt1CRjx6pxM

And people say LFS physics are not realistic =)

M&M's FTW!

Quote from MAGGOT :

AFAIK, Smarties are only available in Canada, so this poll will be lost to most people.

Nope UK has them!


However smarties in the states are a sugar candy and not chocolate IIRC. Least I did when I picked up a box here in the UK. I was very disappointed.

Think bigger picture. Step away from the driving perspective and look at it from an entertainment view.

What drives F1? Is it the drivers? No it's the spectators. If there were no spectators there would be no F1 like it is today.

If there was a simulation that did these things well and they created a quality show from them there is no reason why it's not feasible other than the processing power of todays computers limiting the simulation.

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I saw someone threw some hex in there too =) When we get down to it everything we do on a computer ends up talking in this language or another language similar.