Hehe no fuss really. wheel4hummer and I were just having a dicussion =)

They only sold the car in the states and nobody really knows about it so I wouldn't expect anything like that =) They did the Civic, thats not a sports car =)

EVO's and STI's are decent for handling, I think they give drivers a false sense of security though.

It was getting a bit old, I will say it's a sports compact sedan that will kick your arse! that sound better? =P

Quote from wheel4hummer :

The only thing that pisses me off is you calling the SRT-4 a sports car.

Well I am on the fence about this. Performance wise it's just as fast as any other sports car, like a BoxterS, STi, EVO. I don't see a difference from my car to any of those. The only thing that really detracts from any type of "Sport" is it's FWD, but that shouldn't really matter. A sports car looks good, stands out, and goes fast and I think the SRT fits all of those.

Quote from wheel4hummer :

Cost doesn't give you how fast a car is... Of course the SRT-4 can beat $50,000 cars. If you put it up against a 4000lb Caddilac, of course it would win. But, the Corvette is an actual sports car, and costs $44,000. Can a stock SRT-4 beat a 400hp, 3200lb car? IMO, the SRT-4 is a nice car, but it isn't as good as certain people make it seem. If the SRT-4 was a good car, wouldn't they have sold more of them?

Well they sold 25,000 over 3 years which is treble of what they expected. In the states the car is dominating the Rally/hillclimb scene and dominates the autoX until the rain pours down then the AWD's take over.

http://www.onelapofamerica.com/index.shtml?place=fifth

When I was refering to USD50,000 that was the BoxterS.

If it's not a sports car what is it? (insert neon joke here)

When I went to get insurance its under the compact sports car insurance group. I guess you could call it a tuner car, but there's nothing tuned on it and it's pure factory.


I will refrain from calling it a sports car if you accept the fact that it's one badass car

Quote from wheel4hummer :

Are you calling the SRT-4 a sports car? If it's so great, then why did they only make it for 2 years? And, I haven't ever seen a production car that only weighs 500 pounds.

LOL sorry, I don't have the pound symbol on my keyboard and I haven't set up a key for it yet. What I meant was you could get an old clunker out of a junkyard and fix it up to run with most cars on the road for under 10k GBP

Quote from wheel4hummer :

But you are comparing NA to forced induction... Who cares how much power it has, it's still just a Dodge Neon with a turbo.

nothing wrong with forced induction. Only thing thats neon on this car is the chassis, but hey if you still want to call it a neon It will still keep up with many cars out there. Thats like calling the R32 just a Golf and it's nowhere near a Golf the only thing the same is whats the same on the SRT, the chassis.

At the end of the day I don't really care what people think =)


For the ultimate car I would much rather have NA over forced induction anyday, but practicalities kick in and start limiting choices rather quickly. The SRT-4 stands out among everything if your looking for a daily driver that cheaps on insurance, good gas milage(for a sports car), seats 5 comfortably, room in the trunk to hide multiple dead bodies, and will still kick it in the pants when you hit the floor. All this from a factory vehicle, with a 7 year bumper to bumper warranty for under $23,000. You couldn't come close to this car for performance until you were atleast in the $35,000 plus range and its still performing on pace with cars that cost over $50,000.

When taking into account all those items it's an awesome car. Absolute performance, hell no, I didn't mean to sound like that. There are plenty of other cars that would be much more interesting to drive than a FWD front end heavy sports car sedan. But when one has to think of practicalities this would rank pretty close to the top for someone to get ahold of and have some fun on the weekends, drive to work everyday, and take the kids to the park in the evenings.

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Quote from danowat :

Oh shit...............



Yeah, the best drivers in Europe, and me LMAO

Well they had to make somoene a backmarker

Aweomse, think I am going to have something to watch at work tonight =)

Quote from TheWankel :

GREAT!! I want to earn points while racing race cars!

Patience my young padawan... patience =)

NG I knew you were joke, but other people might not =)

Quote from Hyperactive :

Congrats Chris

I'm still determined to have few races with you. Changing teams won't make it any easier for you

All the good

NOOOO!!! That was the only reason I left

Quote from Alles :

well i guess u know what you are doing mate i wish you all the best at UKCT, good driving, many wins and stuff
i will miss you and so will the team, and im just saying this because you wont have Muroc tag infront of your name. we will keep in touch on MSN thats for sure

Thanks Mate =) I will defiantly be on MSN...if I can get it to work again... it hasn't let me connect since I switched ISP providers, I reset my router so I think that might be the problem.

Sure.... but they are 5-12 years older than the SRT-4... and they are just under 100 pounds lighter with 1/3 less torque. But you would get All Wheel Steer(AWS), but then your not stock and I could say add another 800GBP into the SRT-4 and you would have a car with 300HP, for another 2k you could have 355. :Shrug:

Atleast try to find a car thats new to compair it to. I am talking about factory cars, not modded cars. I could pick up a 500pound car out of the junkyard and get it to run just as fast as most sports cars for under 10k

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Quote from dawesdust_12 :

Chris, we also know how to flip cars!... well, I do atleast.

LOL Refer to Sam's first post =)

Congrats to Becky aswell =) I believe we both have joined the next big thing to hit LFS =)

Quote from SamH :

LOL! We've been on the job this evening, though Chris could only type because his wheel makes too much noise at this time of the night! We're on it!!

Yeah, I need to find a new home for the computer so I can play during evenings, anyone say garage? =)

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

Yaay, now I can wreck him without his team bitching at me

Hehe, too bad you have to wait until I am lapping you =)

Quote from 11SuLLy11 :

gratz to both the team and Chris

Thanks Sully =)

Quote from NoGhost :

:weeping: Im going to miss youuuuuuuuuuu !!!,,

Hope they treat you well , every sunday there must be fresh roses beside vipers bed , we made that mistake and forgot , see what happened

cyaaaaaaaa at track

LOL =) NG it wasn't Muroc that made me leave, far from it, it was just that UKCT has been my home really for the last 6 months and I wanted to offically be a part of the team =) I hope you guys don't think that it was because of something you guys did or didn't do, I may have come across that way on the forum and I didn't mean to. =)

Quote from LordBlaster :

wow, what a surprise

very uncommon that someone is leaving a team like [muroc] for a team like UKCT...
and its a great choice in my eyes... speed isn´t everthing

don´t get me wrong, i think [muroc] is a great team with very fair, fast
and nice drivers, as far as i have been racing them...

and gratz to becky, too. i recognised this before, but was not sure if
you have just "came back" to ukct. now i know better

UKCT has many things that a "normal" LFS doesn't have IMO. They regularly play other games such like BF2 and some other games. Then there is the TS channels, radio, the list can keep going =) With Becky on the CTRA coding side and 3-4 members on the admin side of CTRA and with all the new things rolling out for LFS through UKCT I wanted to offically show my support for the systems and it was just a good choice =) They dabble in so many things, not to mention virtually all of them know at least one form of scripting or coding language =)

Muroc has some of the fastest drivers in the game, most of them are aliens in themselves and are right up there with all the other top drivers. They just have not had the chance to prove it yet =)

Thanks Zeugmond =)

AlienT. I didn't even think anyone even read any of that =) Nice to see that someone actually did!

Quote from AlienT. :

Viper93, you always seem a nice helpfull chap when I read any of your posts.....I probably know more about you than any other LFS racer as your story is on STCC forums lol. Welcome to the UK and congratulations on joining UKCT.

Now enough of that bollocks, get back, all of you, to getting the CTRA servers back up and running

Thanks =) I know I am nowhere near the fastest around in LFS, but I do hope I am one of the most approachable =) If anyone needs a set while I am online or any tips just ask nicely and I would be more than happy to lend you a few minutes of my time.

Thanks Sam and Thank you UKCT for letting me be a part of the team =)

Quote from Nathan_French_14 :

@ the irishnoob, where did you get the idea that you can get a brand new SRT-4 shipped, taxed, mot'd, insured and then put a skyline motor in it and slicks for under £9500? I think your over exagerating alot as per usual

Hehe, well you could get one bought, shipped, and on the road for less than 10k pounds easy. Why you would want to swap the engine out I have no idea though, these engines and drivelines are rated from the factory to withstand over 350BHP in race conditions and most people run them over 400BHP before doing engine internal and driveline changeovers. Max HP I have seen so far is in the low 800 range. Most people are running 400-500 or so that are modding alot. For 2k pounds or so you can add another 120HP with a Mopar Turbo kit puttin gyou right around 355 with race fuel and 5 ECU preset settings, with a WOT feature which cuts the spark but keeps fuel running that explodes when it hits the manifold spooling the turbo during shifts.

Quote from theirishnoob :

its because of the fuel it use's ( how many octanes it has ) plus the fastest production fwd would be the civicd ( even tho the neon produces more hp it cant get it on the floor )

Fuel isn't going to make THAT much of a difference. The reason I have to use premium is the way the combustion chamber is made, which is the unleaded version of the old favorite Hemi. (double pent cloverleaf for anyone interested)

I disagree and can prove it =) What is the fastest 1/4 for any factory Civic? 14.9? 15.0? I have ran 13.7's and this car can get the power down just fine, just have to launch it like a V8, about 2k RPM's with a bit of clutch slip instead of the Civic Flooring it and hope for the best like all the civic guys I have seen =) The big advantage here to the SRT is the Quaife torque sensing LSD, but then the new Civic's also have their own LSD...

Then the argument that a Civic handles better, the standard Neon is the same as Honda's best model civic numbers wise, but it feels sloppy and more like a muscle car than a FWD, when compaired to the Civic, until you bring in the ACR and you simply cannot compaire the two(The ACR has the same performance figures of a BoxterS) Some people say that this latest generation Neon chassis had more flex than the Civic's, in reality they have the same amount of strength when tested by MT?

I am not saying Civic's are not great cars, they are, very much so. But when you say that a civic will outperform an SRT-4 out of the box your being mislead, in a major way. Once you start putting aftermarket parts on then none of this really means squat and both cars are an even match.



Srry The_Angry_Angel for hi-jacking. If you want I can ask Sam to clean the thread up for you =)

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Quote from 96 GTS :

Isn't the SRT-4 making more like 230 at the crank? Unless you're talking modified, at which point the sky's the limit on those things :P

The SRT-4 is great, shame it's not Neon based anymore, the new Caliber is so ugly.

All that being said though, I still stand behind a VW TDI for a daily driver that you don't have to shift anytime you want to go somewhere.

Well when Dodge went to get the car tested for the HP figures they heatsoaked everything so technically it does make 230HP at the crank, but every dyno I have seen of someone's factory SRT they have made between 225-240 HP at the wheels giving you more like 270 HP at the crank. 230HP at the crank couldn't give you a 5.3 second 0-60 in a 2870 pound car =)

The SRT-4 offers alot of things a civic Type-R cannot in terms of performance and it's still the fastest Factory FWD built to date, but like the Viper (The same team of engineers that made the SRT-4 also built the Viper) there isn't much in the way of electronic gizmo's, but it's still by far the best bang for your buck you could get for a new car, which if you bought an 05 you would still have 5 years of warrenty left.

Quote from theirishnoob :

why pay 10,000 for a motor that nearly ruin the company ???? imo id just buy a r32 motor and strap that in , with some new suspention and slick tyres should come in a t 12000 euro ( 9000-9500 pounds )

Curious, how did you come by this? The SRT-4 sold over 25,000 in the three years it was in production, almost treble what they expected.

Sure you could get an R32, but then you will have to pay for insurance. Insurance for an SRT-4 is about 300-400 pounds a year for 24 year old Brit with a UK license last I checked. God only knows how much it is for an R32 much less a car with an R32 engine in it. I think both of these cars are not what he's looking for anyways =)


[quote=theirishnoob;460023
ive seen no trouble with golfs in my life , apart form kids who burn the clutch out all day that only real issue i seen was the toe and camber can un-aline itself like a mo-fo[/quote]

I think a Golf would be the best bet for a decent car. Civic's are good, but with the VTec you will consently be shifting to get anywhere with it. From what I have driven a Diesel is about the best economy engine that you can get that doesn't require 3rd gear to go up a hill.

Well if you don't mind LHD you could get an SRT-4 bought and shipped, SVA'd, MOT'd, and Insured for a year for less than 10k pounds, giving you 100 more HP than anything else that anyone has mentioned (230BHP, giving you about 270 at the flywheel) This would come with a class 1 alarm system. 30 MPG, if you want an idea on how big the interior and boot space is check a standard 02-05 Neon, best in it's class, well in the states as a compact sedan. For the price you cannot beat a new car, but if you want a pure daily driver this might not be the best car, it gets about 30 MPG and needs premium fuel. I don't know what else to say about the car other than performance wise it's even with a BoxterS, for a fraction of the cost.


Civics are always a good buy, but I would take a Golf over a Civic any day though. TD would be a better daily driver, get a decent bit of torque and better fuel economy.

Quote from Michael Denham :

Yeah, it would have been much more interesting if there were close battles between Hamilton and Alonso as well as Massa and Raikonnen, as well as a few others further back. Oh wait, that DID happen.

I don't know why it's so fashionable to knock F1, but I really enjoyed the race. And same with Hamilton. It's cool to say, 'well he's good but I dunno how good he is', 'he didn't really impress me', etc. Well, he's been on the podium in every race, for two races in a row he's started from pole and won, and in this last race he held off the 2-times world champion without too many problems. Sure, all drivers in F1 are pretty damn good to even get in F1, but a lot of others would have made mistakes in the same situation Hamilton was in. And for this to be a boring race, well what needs to happen to make it an interesting one? There was action all the way through the race, lots of passing.

Maybe saying all F1 races are boring and not impressive is a way of making oneself feel better than others, like they need an even better race than everyone else in order to enjoy it, in some elitist kind of way. Or perhaps F1 is just not their cup of tea and should try something else.

Viper, this whole post is not directed at you personally, just my general feelings on the topic...the only part that was directed at you was the first bit about the second half of the race.

Thats ok I can take the any comments =) Better to have people honest than trying to walk on eggs all the time. I think part of the issue comes with the way the cars are built. They have so many areo things done to these cars the second they get anywhere near each other they have to go much slower than they do than when they are by themselves so they don't tend to battle it out for very long. Boring I think is being a bit dramatic, there were things going on, but there wasn't many passes happening and it could have been much more exciting the last 1/2 of the race.

Most of the passing was done 1/2 way through the race and because of that it was great to see =)

No matter how many times I see it I still love seeing those tires flex =)

I see Hamilton grabs his second win =)

Congrats to him =) I wonder what Alonso will say... He doesn't have much to stand on though, he had a chance to get around and he didn't capitalize on it.

The second 1/2 of the race was very boring aswell... not sure if I will watch another F1 race this season... I even fell asleep.

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You name the place and I will see if I can attend =)

Quote from Gunn :

The single worst thing that ever happened to F1 is the fans.

Hehe, I can see where your coming from with that =) I think that could be said for alot of things. Once you get fans involved it becomes more of a gossip thing more than competition at times =)

Sounds like he's a spoiled brat to me! =) Anyone that had worked for their ride wouldn't say things like that unless they were VERY fed up. Sounds like to me he's throwing a paddy.

I see where ajp71 is coming from. I think alot of people are saying :wtf2: to viewing figures like that. Look at the rest of the leauges in LFS and Sim Racing in general cannot come close to that! People are skeptical and will need proof, what proof I do not know. I think this proof is what ajp was asking for.

People don't believe anything until they see hard download facts.

@Sam I did think 1mil per race was a "bit" high when you said it hehe. I figured that number was a bit off. 100k sounds more like it! =)

Quote from XCNuse :

Genius it works!

Hehe FYI XCNuse RL cars scrub the same way roughly as cars in LFS with Diff's =) I hav e a viscus LSD in my car and I scrub all the time in low speed situations =)