Bah Not Gordon again... Atleast now with the points system setup the way it does even if he has a 1000 point lead it gets cut to 5, or is it 10? I forgot so it doesn't matter how good the first 2/3 of the season were for you as long as you run in the top ten in points and give it 100% during the last 10 races and pray for no wrecks during those 10 races you have a chance of winning the cup... I was a diehard NASCAR fan until new managment stepped in, putting these types of rules in.

Shame they had to cut the race, pocono always has some interesting races.

I would hope so. While that barrier isn't exactly head on at the end of the strait there is definitely room to swing it it a bit more to get a bit of a better angle.

Horrible crash and I am very happy to see him walking after that crash. The slowmo doesn't give you the full impact of what happened there like that second video does.

I would like to see exactly how Trulli and Kubica contacted. You cannot get a good picture of where they are on the track nut it appears that Kubica ran out of track by Trulli for one reason or another, I assume things happen quickly at 160+ and Kubica went for his off road excursion.

I don't have any but Nations is free. I am downloading it now to have some high flying fun =)

LOL JBTO =)


Insurance for my car for a married 24 year old without a UK license is 700 pounds a year. With a license I would have insurance around 350 a year FYI =)

Quote from pb32000 :

OT: Viper, I quite often hear you saying how your car handles well and has plenty of power - I can't remember how much, in the 200s? And I always think meh I could build a quicker car for the money.. BUT they seem to have a really impressive spec, and the price, even when imported, is outstanding.

13.7s is impressive for a fwd for that money, and I bet it goes round corners great too.

Anyway I havn't had enough coffee to function properly yet this morning, so I'll stop rambling. I'm sure its a really fun car though, I can see why you got it brough over here with you

Hehe I agree totally that you could buy something for less and make roughtly the same performance, but you would be looking at older 80's 90's vehicles where the Dodge is 04-05 for only a little bit more, why wouldn't you want a car thats 10 years newer? =P Yes the car handles like a dream, you can overwhelm the fronts at times but you have to be trying. The ACR has the exact same performance as the same year BoxterS which is over 40kpounds. For another 2k pounds you would have a car on par with the Viper.

230HP and 250Ft-lbs factory. The new Mazda 3 makes 260HP or so and gobs of torque but their car weighs over 3,000 giving it a low 6 second 0-60. The next generation of my car comes with VVT and a 300HP solid ali 2.4 on the new caliber chassis, anyone else see a new competitor in WRC sometime soon? The caliber already has AWD off the factory line so who knows =)

Srry back on topic:

For a cheap car to beef up, aren't cosies cheap to build up? You could follow everyone else and rice up a civic. MX-5's are good handling cars, but if you want HP I would stay away from them, the engines are great, but don't make a ton of HP, but with a car like that you wouldn't need any.

An old R32 might do. Personally I would see if I could find a Caterham if I was in your shoes.

If your looking for a FWD and are over 24 ship an SRT-4 over from the states, with money saved by buying everything in the states you could have a wicked car for cheap..ish. You could get a 100HP plus turbo kit for under 2k pounds, putting you in the 350's. With the torque these engines make and with the addition of a factory LSD these are great for drag racing. My SRT is stock and I run 13.7's in the 1/4. All for less than 8k pounds if you include shipping to Ireland.

Tristan your such a spammer, I don't think I have ever seen you so off topic!

Ahh I think what you mean. With any FFB wheel there is a set minimum movement due to many things, like gearplay. And the small tiny little tugs that happen in a RL are not there, the motors simply cannot change direction that fast =) not without running a very expensive motor, you could possibly make it better with a 2 motor system but that would cause more issues.

I do agree that LFS or any simulation doesn't do these, but for me the basics are there and if I forget about the little things that are missing it's not too far off =)

Nice car =) Here is a gallery of my car. http://www.front-runners.net/g ... 2/main.php?g2_itemId=1130

Hehe wording got me again =)

What kind of car do you have? I guess what your saying is that the FFB is so horrible it doesn't even remotely feel like your wheel in your car?

I originally took your statement as your wheel in your car was just like a wheel in LFS with FFB off and spring strength on, which I hope would never happen! =) (Saturn uses an electric power steering system which because of the electric motor reduces feedback so much that they had to simulate wheel movements IIRC, I could be wrong)

Quote from Crazy Harry :

I never feel any kind of realism in any kind of computer game because of the missing g-forces in front of my pc. Even FFB in ANY game with ANY wheel feels completly unrealitic to me. My front wheels irl never act like a ffb wheel. Thats the reason I always disable ffb and enalbe center spring. Brings me a kind of a realistic steering feeling.

If you cannot feel anything through your RL wheel then you are not going fast enough. I feel every bump, curb and even the road paint through my wheel in my car. Going through a corner I can feel the suspension moving and if I hit a bump in the road the wheel jerks, if I light up the fronts the wheel goes dead and light. When I apply the throttle the wheel pulls in the direction I am steering ever so slightly.

I have also been on the track with various other cars and can say that while not perfect out of all the games I have played LFS and NKpro do the best job of simulating FFB, too bad NK has poor netcode. Again it's not perfect but it's the best out there and doesn't do too bad of a job. (was a track-day type event, drove all of Dodge's SRT vehicles around Road America, including the Viper)

IIRC an F1 driver tested LFS and Rfactor in a simulator. I believe his words were "wow this feels really good, I could almost be on the track" while he didn't say anything bad about RFactor he didn't say anything good besides "fun Game" or something like that.

Quote from tristancliffe :

Ohok. My definition of feeling is the car responding, via sound, movement and FFB, vaguely like a real car does. You cannot possibly say that GTR has this.

I can't say that it does much in those areas for me either, sadly. It could have been an awesome game. I guess it is there , in a way, but it's even more vague than LFS is...then we are back onto bashing and flaming which these topics will always bring up. Personally I will stick with my fake cars better physics to the souped up arcade games. I do like the night/day stuff with GTR2, but thats graphics not physics.

It goes both ways and at the end of the day it's up to the moderators to curb this type of behavior, which they do nothing about besides add their own spam to the thread instead of closing it, which should have been done on Page 1 to begin with... showing you why NOT to use RSC, at least on other forums there is an attempt to prevent outbursts...

I think people are missing the point that the cars in NASCAR have NOTHING to do with their branded counterpart. The branding on the car is an advertising gimic and has been for many years, I wish people would realize that and get off the Ford/Chevy/Dodge bashing.

As for SPEED GT and TC they need as much exposure as they can get.

Quote from Shotglass :

quits: jamesrowe ([email protected]) (<tristan> you have a constant sense of humour failure)

LOL no his is just different than yours =) I would elaborate but I don't like offending any more people than I already have

Quote from TiJay :

I can't justify spending huge money on earphones as I tend to break them Headphones just seem much more durable.

Hehe true =)

BTW you heading down to Sim Racing Ltd anytime soon? Maybe we could meet up and try it again sometime? From what I saw you were not having the best of fun though =( Sorry I really didn't get a chance to chat with you, you raced while I was standing...

Quote from Rappa Z :

I prefered the Forza show a lot more, that included a lot more racing, and of a hell of a lot of forms of racing(autocross, drag, sprint race, ect.). This seems like it will be more about personalities and teamwork. The should cut a lot of the crap that was on Setup. It seemed like they really had a hard time putting together the show with what they had. I still enjoyed looking at those Pontiacs, they seemed really nice.

Speed could do better, they need to go for more racing and get rid of shows like 2 guy garage, were 2 guys talk about cars for a while. Another one of the things i hate is when they put on the Barett Jackson Car Auctions for 8 hours.

Well I hate to say it but personalities and teamwork make up more of a team than the racing. The racing is only 10% of what really happens. There is a reason why there are a couple weeks at least separating events for racing. It takes hours and hours of preparation to refresh the car, find any potential problem areas ect. You are with your team more hours than you are with your family for the big professional teams and because of that teamwork and personalities are a big part of this. These professional teams spend 8-10 hours a day preparing these cars for a race, when they make it to the track there is more preparation and teamwork is everywhere. While the racing is the most exciting and critical part, it doesn't make much of what has to happen for a team to be successful.

Forza was a farce. Those cars are no where near able to compete with each other the way they put the series on, and the couple ones I watched the driving was worse than something you would see on a demo server! I mean really who in their right mind would intentionally cut a track during a race like that? Entertaining but nothing really valuable came from the program other than showing how kids could drive cars stupidly.

I know lets put 350Z's with a drifter as a driver against a Vette. Then lets add in 3 other live axle rearend heavy outdated Musclecars and see who wins... yeah that was a tough one to call, the second I saw the vette mixed in with those cars there was no question at which car would dominate.

Consider me there =)

I think tugging the bike would be a better way to get their, with riding the bike their you put in a good days ride just to get to the track =)

Monday I will book the days off =) Then I will be able to show you for cars Americans CAN make cars that handle, besides the Vette and Viper. Just check and see who is number one on the all time win list http://www.fiagt.com/stats.php

This is really going off topic but I hear alot of people screaming that the vettes are still using leaf springs for suspensions. Yes and no. the suspension itself is a double wishbone but uses a traverse leaf spring. http://www.automotive.com/2005 ... specifications/index.html

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I bought a set of Shure Earphones for using at work. I have the E3's but here is a link to their best earphone model http://www.shure.com/PersonalA ... es/us_pa_E500_pth_content

I really enjoy my set. Because they fit into the eardrum and the foam they use it's just like having earplugs in. I cannot hear a word people are saying unless they scream and I am constantly having to pull them out of my ear to listen to someone.

They also create headphones and other audio equipment I recommend the earphones for anyone working in a noisy environment and can listen to music!

Awesome stuff Dan! I wish I was able to come along. The next time you guys head out that way I will come with. With my time spent in the states I bought a Wilwood brake kit and a couple other goodies for my car for handling so I will be ready to rock the next time yo guys head out!

Quote from xpjames :

No, but maybe someone knows roughly what time the update will be released, instead of giving stupid answers because they don't know! We will all have to wait.........................

We will have to wait, Scawen mentioned in another thread it might be moved to Saturday instead of today so if anything the patch will come out late tonight if not tomorrow more than likely.

Sometime today Scawen mentioned so that means anytime between now and 11:59 on the 1st of June, what else could it mean? Surely you don't want down to the minute or second aswell?

Quote from Richie Cahill :

Those are big words, they lept off the page at me. look how far simulation has come in the last few years? look at the test restrictions in f1 now.. so it would make sense to push the technology as far as it can possible go. as far as i see, the only thing they cant simulate is the danger. and yanno if they really wanted to they actually could simulate that too. but thats silly talk. crash the sim and it will break your back lol

sry if this was said already tl;dr and all that.

Richie

Well the only way to truely simulate something is to have EVERYTHING about a car simulated real-time. This would mean everything down to how the hoodpins on a tintop would disrupt the tiny little bit of airflow, or how rivets create disturbances in airflow, the lise could go on and on of items that have not even begun to enter into simulations. What about driveline load and flex? Proper Chassis flex? The best chassis setup in the world will not perform if the chassis moves with an increase in forces. Gearplay is also not calculated so ATM everything is solid. This isn't even mentioning that nothing for simulations are calculated "real-time" LFS does calculate some of the basics but even then it's only at 100hz IIRC and thats nowhere near a RL clocking speed.

Quote from ajp71 :

That kind of system is used both by official timers and by racing teams, there are a large number of products that you can get to do it, however, you won't be allowed to put them up on a track day (because they don't want people to be driving too hard/crashing/extra insurance complications associated with a competitive event).

In the UK you can go to sprints, run by the national governing body, these are timed one or two lap single car competitions, you'll get less track time than at a track day but no traffic and the competitive element for a fraction of the cost. In the UK you can get a sprint/hillclimb license without doing a practical test and only need overalls and a helmet if you're in a standard road car, modified cars have to have full safety gear. I'd of though there is probably a similar system available in the states.

Well there is Autocross which is a parking lot filled with cones. There is also Solo competitions where it's against the clock in 1-lap competitions. There is every level in both autocross and Solo from regional club competitions to full blown national "pro" competitions. Costs are relativily cheap in the regional club events but if your going for the top spots your better off running the MX-5 pro cup =) the link below is a good starting point for anyone considering starting up a career in racing in the States. Chances are you would need their license to compete anyways. There is also NASA which is basically the same thing just a different organization.

http://scca.com/Index.asp?IdS=29AB8B-E1F38C0&~=

Quote from tristancliffe :

I used that FBMW mod when I was 'learning' Castle Combe, and the physics are absolutely awful! They feel more like driving Scaletrix underwater than a real car. LFS 0.04 was better, and that was about 5 years ago!

This is how I felt about Rtracktor when bought it couple it with the over 10 gig of mods available and virtually all the servers passworded I won't play it.


Mod looks promising =) I would try this mod out. Looks fun! It's possible that Rfactor could become better in their physics with lateral tire flex modeled. But I have a feeling it would take more than just that, but it would help.

LOL you got me! =)