Second pic from here.

Looks very interesting...will definitely be buying one of those when they become available. I don't have any specific use in mind yet, but it'd be worth it just to play around with.

Quote from hazaky :

Anyone heard about the new Tri-Gate processors? I wonder when those get released.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/ ... stors-shipping-in-2h-2011

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The bigger story here actually has to do with Atom. The biggest gains Intel is showing are at very low voltages, exactly what will benefit ultra mobile SoCs. Atom has had a tough time getting into smartphones and while we may see limited success at 32nm, the real future is what happens at 22nm. Atom is due for a new microprocessor architecture in 2012, if Intel goes the risky route and combines it with its 22nm process it could have a knockout on its hands.

Bit late, I know:

"The race officials issued a stop-go penalty to #23 for cutting the corner"

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

Would you agree that there's a difference between something being possible and impossible?

Every day true random number generation techniques are used for such mundane things as encrypting sensitive information and gambling. You (and Keith) maintain this is impossible. The semantics matter.

Quote from Shotglass :

aw come on amp ive already pointed out on irc that youre arguing over tiny mistakes in semantics

Arguing over semantics that have a large impact.

Quote from Joris :

I do not quite understand why you are breaking S14 ball's over this. He has given far better opportunities for that over the past few years.

He ventured a piece of wrong information in the thread with no provocation that was along the lines of "here's a piece of information to validate how smart I am". Once I pointed out what he said was incorrect he changed his mind and then he changed it back again.

See:

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

PS random numbers on a computer can never actually be random. Human-random though is random comparitevly.

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

Well if you think about it, there's nothing to prove - there can never be a completely true random number generator based on an algorithm, because that algorithm has a base code underneath it.

It can be random enough for a charity raffle, perhaps, but for a TRULY random number, it's simply not possible.

Both of the above leave no possibility for truly random number generation.

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

I fear we're not going to agree but it's simply not possible for a "true random number generator" to be written from code, apart from PERHAPS using something such as mouse input or sound input to help generate the code.

This leaves the possibility for truly random number generation (I suspect after he went off to Google and read a couple of links).

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

He said that there could never be a truly random number generator, at the time I didn't believe him, but I researched it a little and came to the conclusion he's right.

This goes back to leaving no possibility for truly random number generation.

At no point has he cited any sources that prove random number generation using computers (along with input devices) is impossible, despite finally settling on that point of view.

The reason I picked up on it is because it's something he has done several times before (i.e. providing inaccurate or misleading information in an authoritative manner). People who don't know any better would have read his post and taken it as true.

Quote from Joris :

As far as I can see, you both agree on the fact that the random thingy is a source outside the computer.

Well, it seems like he's settled on saying that's not true, but it's difficult to say for certain. Perhaps the only truly random thing in this thread has been his view on random number generation

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

What Joris said. I'm not going to validate myself to a Scotsman, let alone you.

I'm not sure why you've used Scottish/Scotsman etc in such a pejorative manner several times in this thread.

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

At my previous job a guy called Kieth (who was the technical manager, and believe he is probably more knowledgable than you no offense) and I were chatting about increasing security on something or other and I suggested using a random number generator on some sort of ID so it couldn't be cloned. He said that there could never be a truly random number generator, at the time I didn't believe him, but I researched it a little and came to the conclusion he's right.

What research did you do? Can you cite any sources?

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

P.s if you read my comment about using an external source (I mentioned mouse movement or sound output) however that's still not actually random because all you need to do is have the same movement or "external source situation"..

You made an unqualified, declarative statement before that. Only when I'd mentioned true random number generation did you go off and Google it. Then you came back and spewed something which had the effect of reversing your original assertion.

You don't want to get drawn into an argument because you're wrong. Be a big man and admit it. I do when I'm wrong...

Quote from Joris :

Wouldn't the external source be the random generator in that case?

The external source is technically an input/capture device. S14's statement was just that "random numbers on a computer can never actually be random." which is incorrect.

Quote from AndRand :

I got nice one for you:
get a number from 0 to 1 as x, calculate 2*x-1, then take result as x and calculate again... and again... and couple of times... and you get random number generator

You don't.

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

I fear we're not going to agree but it's simply not possible for a "true random number generator" to be written from code, apart from PERHAPS using something such as mouse input or sound input to help generate the code.

But even then it's still working off a formula. I don't particularly want to have an argument with a Scottish person (they'll beat me with haggis) but I'll leave just my 2c that it's not possible.

We're not going to agree because you're too ignorant to acknowledge you're wrong. Incidentally, I have a degree in computer science, so you don't need to talk to me like I'm in tech support

True random number generation (e.g. accomplished using a computer in conjunction with an external source such as background radiation) has been around for a long time. I agree with you that just running an algorithm on a computer (e.g. any of the hundreds available freely on the Internet or built into most (if not all) programming languages) doesn't give you truly random numbers. That's why I put "random" in apostrophes in my first reply in this thread. However, when combined with an external source computers can generate truly random numbers.

Never heard of true random number generators then, eh?

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

PS random numbers on a computer can never actually be random.

Care to prove that assertion?

Quote from Crashgate3 :

By way of a bit more explanation, it's testing human random number generators vs computer ones.

How are you generating your 'random' numbers on computer?

Quote from BenjiMC :

V8s have their own utube chan with all the races on this season plus some older ones

http://www.youtube.com/user/V8SupercarsChannel

That's an unofficial channel that's liable/likely to get closed pretty quickly (like several other people who've been uploading full races that've had accounts suspended lately).

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V8 Supercars unofficial channel; uploading full races of major events in the 2011 International V8 Supercar Championship Season and taking video requests *don't be greedy*. Formerly CinemasHabbo who got suspended due to multiple copyright infringements from the FOM and Telstra Bigpond.

Quote from mrodgers :

That's just what I did, reinstalled Windows.

Hate doing that because it takes about a week to sort everything out from the Compaq/HP bloatware to reinstalling a ton of stuff to all the updates.

Oh well, lot of work to do.....

Ever thought about using software like Acronis True Image to image a fresh, clean install? That way if you ever need to start over again (because of another virus problem or other reason) you effectively only need to copy over an image rather than format, reinstall and spend days getting everything set up right. Obviously you'd still have some updates to apply next time (Windows/other program updates), but you'd have a big head start and you could update the drive image to include the newest updates.

How are machines on your (internal) network assigned IP addresses? Manually/DHCP? Has any configuration data changed (router, ex-infected/broken machine etc)?

Watching FP1 just now and noticed that Webber moved his entire right hand to press a button on his steering wheel that should have been easily within his left thumb's reach. Can anyone think of a reason why he should do this?

edit: Possible theories from IRC are that he's using his left hand for KERS and/or DRS activation.

Last edited by amp88, Fri 8 Apr 2011, 18:11.

I was sad to see V8 Supercars move to Hamilton rather than stay here. Some really great racing here over the years in the V8s. Also host to some Targa NZ events and at least 1 High Octane 'race' that provided a lot of entertainment.

Quote from manneF1 :

Indeed, but in the 2006 V10 was disallowed, and STR basicly used v10 whit somekind of resriction

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Quote from amp88 :

Yes, although STR used 'detuned' V10s in 2006.

Quote from manneF1 :

2005

Yes, although STR used 'detuned' V10s in 2006.

Quote from samjh :

Peter Brock: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWOq94g2HB0

Let the video speak for itself.

From the same session: Bathurst 1991 Top 10 Shootout - Mark Skaife.

edit: I've attached a magazine article comparing the 2 cars (not the exact car in Sam's video above but good enough for comparison).

Last edited by amp88, Sat 2 Apr 2011, 11:46.