*sigh* i know that, i am trying to say, it can't change the slip angle on the rear wheels, and on the rear wheels i mean, modify the angle(line-car) from the rear wheels, pivoting the front wheels...

okey, woz, it's cool that ur correcting me, but that is just a wording problem, now, it's:

Quote :

IT IS GRIPPING THE ROAD AND FOLLOWING THE RACE LINE WITH YOUR FRONT WHEELS, WHILE YOU ARE SLIDING WITH THE REAR WHEELS, WHILE HAVING THE ABILITY TO <delete>CONTROL</delete>[INCREASE AND DECRESE] THE [REAR WHEEL'S] SLIP ANGLE WITH YOUR THROTTLE[FROM THE REAR WHEELS, PIVOTING UPON THE CAR'S FRONT WHEELS].

sure, when i get enough money... almost...

Quote from Jamesisinthehouse12 :

LFS CRACKER ALERT!!!!!!!!!

woah, jesus! WTF? i posted this as a joke yesterday, i just played my friend's copy of LFS, how the hell am i supposed to crack LFS?!!?! since this is a "client-host" type thing, i would have to hack into the main database to get a sync!

Quote from gezmoor :

Putting it in big bold type doesn't make that statement any more true.

Basically, drifting existed as a motorsport term decades before the Japanese popularised mild powersliding as a sport and gave it the same name.

Well sorry. The word and meaning has already been defined, (as per the definitions from websters and wiki already posted), you can scream, shout and have whatever narrow minded view you like but you can't change the definition just to suit your own personal willy waving egos.

The term drifting can be applied to any situation when the wheels of a motor vehicle are sliding in a controlled manner. It is not required that the wheels in question are being powered, end of.

To give another example. Motorcycle racers often two wheel drift in to corners to scrub off speed. Now if you really want to get in to an argument about which form of drifting takes more skill then I'll challenge all you "drifters", (real life or LFS'ers) to attempt that and not come up with egg on your face.

okey, fine you know what i give up,

and that means that i can say that i am a drifter :-D

Quote from Woz :

Actually you can. Its all about weight transfer. Button off a FF when you are already in oversteer with grip at the front end (It is possible to have oversteer or understeer in a 4 wheel slide BTW) and the rear will unweight more so oversteer more. Come on the power and the weight transfer is reversed thus giving more grip at the rear.

That said, you need to have a FF car that is sensitive to weight transfer on the throttle, many modern cars are not to make it easier for muppet drivers. My Mini was VERY sensitive to weight transfer from throttle input though.

neutral steer is NOT drifting
=/
that's what i have been trying to explain.

btw, why do you guys visualize a static diagram when you guys are thinking about drifting? it is not what it looks like at one frame, you can make it look like drifting, but by the sound and action of the car, you can tell that it's not drifting, you can't do long sweepers, drifting is long held slides(not done by inertia).

and another thing, i KNOW there are successful FF and AWD drifters.(takahashi-EK9,Dave Scholz-EK9, Kyle(who won a drift contest in hawaii)-EG6, Rhys Millen-Evo7(right before they banned AWD)).

I am not a bigot FR driver who is refusing to be open minded, i AM an FF and AWD driver, and i tried arguing with people about this and have long given up. and i have accepted that you need front wheel grip and rear wheel slippage with the throttle controlling the rear wheel to alter the slip angle. and it's not such a big deal, i just have to stop saying "i drift with AWD's" and say "i drive like a maniac"

Quote from Jamesisinthehouse12 :

Yep, a new wheel texture!!!


Download:
Subaru Impreza WRX STi 2008.zip (743.1 KB)

and yes the centre is high-res
Enjoy!

wow, now, driving the rb4 with this wheel will be like driving the STI!
as to how i got access to an RB4, i can't tell

well, D1 only ALLOWS ff, but the community still thinks that FF sucks and btw, i did not pull this out of my own ass... i actually stood for the fact that ff's and awd "drifted" but the thing is i failed, and i was fighting pretty hard, ask around on some drifting forums and stop arguing with me, i am trying to tell you what the majority believes in.

:doh:...
why is noone listening to me and trying to find holes around my words!?!?!?!?!

you can't change the SLIPAGE of the rear wheels with the THROTTLE of an FF. or do i have to reword my definition again?!?!?!?!?

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Quote :

IT IS GRIPPING THE ROAD AND FOLLOWING THE RACE LINE WITH YOUR FRONT WHEELS, WHILE YOU ARE SLIDING WITH THE REAR WHEELS, WHILE HAVING THE ABILITY TO <delete>CONTROL</delete>[INCREASE AND DECRESE] THE [REAR WHEEL'S] SLIP ANGLE WITH YOUR THROTTLE.

:google:

:dunce:i am suggesting a b class car not a 4WD GT car, i am just admiring the subi...

Quote from luftrofl :

You say that "drifting" refers to FR only, but that's just what you think. Can you show me a rulebook or a statement made by someone who's qualified to make decisions such as this?
I gave you one that shows, if anything can be pulled from reading a rulebook, that FF can drift.

I'm only a couple years older than you so I can't call you a "kid" based on age, only actions. That said, when I said that I was referring to the general community of LFS drift-tastic idiots who are generally too young to drive but talk a LOT of smack because they spend 1823213 hours drifting in LFS.

first, check this out,

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...and as far as regulations go, i have no idea how D1 allows FF's (that's preposterous)

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Engine/Transmission:
A) Engine and transmission modifications are free.
B) Engine and radiator catch tanks with a minimum capacity of one (1) quart each are required and securely fastened.
C) Engine, transmission and cooling system must free of leaks, fluid leaks will not be tolerated
D) All vehicles must be rear-wheel drive. Drive train may be modified, but must push power from the rear wheels.

http://www.drifting.com/Formula_Drift.php
second of all go talk to people on drift forums

and also, i have been driving since before i got my license, my daddy made me a fake just in case we get pulled over

and sure, you can do spectacular controlled slides, i am just arguing for the term DRIFT, the official noun/verb

and i play lfs only on dry, sunny days when i don't/can't race...

what? i have had experiences in these following drive types:
MRSW20(toyota)
RR911(porsche)
FRC24(Merc),IS250(lexus)
FFES300(lexus)
F4S60(volvo),2.5i(impreza)

what is so ignorant of me?

i can do it, and if it's not pure RWD, i call it a rally slide. period. i have had experiences defending AWD and FF drifting, but that is not a true drift, you can try to reason, as i have done, but you are going to get nowhere, since the TERM "drifting" refers to a slide of an FR

btw, is your insult of me being a kid a personal attack? how old are u anyways? it doesn't really matter how old i am...

Last edited by atlantian, Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:15.

a real mountain road in japan that's much windier then isle of man

or if we can't get a street circuit, get the Ascari track!

Quote from Gekkibi :

How would that differ from FXO GTR, XR GTR or FZ50 GTR?

it wouldn't, it's only because i have an impreza...

but, i would love b-class rally cars on the top of the list if we can only choose a handful

Quote from luftrofl :

I don't see why you can't do that in a fwd car. It's more difficult and complex, which is why very few people do it, but it is possible.

You have to contort your definition so much to try to make it work. Doesn't really make me feel confident that you know what you're talking about.

*sigh* you CAN'T change the SLIP ANGLE on the rear wheels of an FF with your throttle.

^edit:
IT IS GRIPPING THE ROAD AND FOLLOWING THE RACE LINE WITH YOUR FRONT WHEELS, WHILE YOU ARE SLIDING WITH THE REAR WHEELS, WHILE HAVING THE ABILITY TO CONTROL THE [REAR WHEEL'S] SLIP ANGLE WITH YOUR THROTTLE.

and as far as regulations go, i have no idea how D1 allows FF's (that's preposterous)

Quote :

Engine/Transmission:
A) Engine and transmission modifications are free.
B) Engine and radiator catch tanks with a minimum capacity of one (1) quart each are required and securely fastened.
C) Engine, transmission and cooling system must free of leaks, fluid leaks will not be tolerated
D) All vehicles must be rear-wheel drive. Drive train may be modified, but must push power from the rear wheels.

http://www.drifting.com/Formula_Drift.php

Last edited by atlantian, Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:53.

what?!?! how was i not clear? do i have to highlight everything for you?!

IT IS GRIPPING THE ROAD AND FOLLOWING THE RACE LINE WITH YOUR FRONT WHEELS, WHILE YOU ARE SLIDING WITH THE REAR WHEELS, WHILE HAVING THE ABILITY TO CONTROL THE SLIP ANGLE WITH YOUR THROTTLE.

yes it does stem back a long time, it's just that drifting is now COINED an official term, it's just back then, powerslides, drifts, skids are all synonymous to each other, and it doesn't make a difference, now, drifting is an official sport, "drift" is now different from it's peers

Quote from T.Kaneda :

omgz!!! -drool- a subi GT car!

note: to do a continuous doughnut with the XFG you need to do it in reverse, with the rear wheels stuck

so i think you ment pop the FRONT wheels...

the movie was filmed in mandarin so don't try finding a japanese version... it's worse

^what ever, it's not drifting

just to make this clear, i am not making this argument because i have an FR, but i have an AWD, i call it rally slides, not drift; drift is an exclusive term describing a power slide done by RWD's, in which case, the front wheels grip and the rear wheels are loose, and the car is controlled by the throttle. i have asked about this on drift forums, trying to justify FF and AWD drifts, but no, they can do slides, but not like the RWD cars.

Quote from Gekkibi :

You don't have google in your iphone? :P

PS. It is annoying (...And pointless) to use white color in a text.

i have google, it's just that i misread, and thought that he said enthusia...

Quote from frokki :

What if that AWD had 1% of power transmitted to front wheels and 99% back? Wouldn't it be able to power oversteer? Or how about ratios like 20% or 25% front?

that's a little extreme, but a rear biased awd can oversteer, but the thing is, any front wheel drive power will pull the car straight... so you will need to neutral slide, a drift is where the front wheels are GRIPPING TIGHT and the rear wheels are oversteering, a neutral slide oversteer is a rally slide, not drifting... drifting is an official term nowadays.

but, for awd, don't you notice, that the front wheels don't follow (are parallel to) the race line? it's more like a point behind the front wheels(center of gravity) that means, that the front wheels are loose, and it's neutral sliding

Last edited by atlantian, Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:39.

drift= power oversteer...

even awd can't do this, you need pure RWD power and have nothing interfere

here, follow the "yellow brick road" there are 11 parts
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5UqCIyMbLbQ
learn chinese or read the subs