Quote from nisskid :

no comparison, as i mentioned throttle, or a clutch kick will push the car in the direction of the drive wheels, depending on the angle, this means it can add a bit of forward speed, as well as speed towards the corner, this is why the angle for this technique is extremely important, a handbrake will slightly reduce speeds and keep the car moving in the direction of the momentum (forward, not into the corner), the angle is not as important in determining where the car goes, hence more angle can be applied.

also, depending on the diff, the torque applied can vary from wheel to wheel, whereas the handbrake (especially with a hydraulic hb) it will be constant. also the torque from the wheels going from 100kmh's or so to 0kmh's is a lot greater than clutch kicking from 100k's to 130k's or what ever, so it will get the tyres loose a lot quicker.

also, from a tyre point of view, hbing is very hard on the tyres, not only from the extra torque, but from concentrating it on one spot in the tyre, you will just rip tyres apart once they are warm with the hb.

sigh... although unnoticeable, there is a slight feint on every kind of initiation. and why would you use an open or "broken" LSD??? you would usually use a wielded or a race-grade LSD in drifting. so power-oversteer is just speeding up the tire to un-sync the two mediums to loose grip on the driving wheels, with a slight flick, the tire spin will carry and accelerate the rear of the car along the path of momentum.

Quote from RAM0011 :

Hello

I ask if my drift is good

the replay movie is in the attachement

Thank's


PS: Normal ? If I drift a lost a lot of speed
PS2 : Using Handbrake for drift is that good ?

I just watched this a minute ago
omg, what the hell? what happened to your brake pedal? and are u a keyboard driver? your steering is erratic... and yes, this IS arab drifting

PS: yes, drifting would trim a lot of speed off, and...
PS2: Using the handbrake doesn't involve much skill...


BTW, to all you ebrake believers out there, you can use ebrakes but not to this extent... maybe a tap or two to trick AWD systems, regain grip if you have rear slippage, maybe a yank if your angle is too shallow, but this... why would anyone film their practice lap as a n00b i know i wouldn't.

the drifting is sinuous... that's good, the line is okey, but what the hell is with the choppy driving? are you using a keyboard to steer? or are you using a game pad and you are just doomed with twitchy thumbs?

what's wrong with the XRG? it's non turbo, but so what? you can drift anything RWD that can brake traction.

BTW, i want to join too if he is getting in

Quote from BigTime :

I'll agree that the hand brake is primarily a learning tool and should be used as little as possible... However, the hand brake is used quite often by great drivers. Keep in mind that lots of drivers use the hand brake but never lock the rear tires, so it's almost unnoticeable to the untrained eye.

In lay terms there's nothing wrong with using the hand brake, but there is certainly something wrong with over using it.

BTW mantvisrep, drifting looks nice and smooth but your transitions need some work. Decent drifting.

oh, yes, but i was talking about ebrake initiation, ebrakes can help you grip in rallies where you if you have exessive wheelspin in the rear tires.

BTW, @squidhead, how is the ebrake a powerful tool? it can be used to brake loose traction at a moment's notice, but so can a very abrupt clutch drop.

^meh, i do burnouts after i win a race... victory dance, i use an xbox controller and have an analog clutch, no problem whatsoever

i would try not to get any type of "steer" whatsoever, try to go wide then aim on the inside, but that's only in standard corners. I would drift in hairpins and switchbacks, slowing down enough via the resistance of the tires skidding, but have my right foot hovering over the throttle the whole time.

Quote from squidhead :

somehow when I watched the D1 GP I saw completely different approach
Handbrake as initiation and as angle correction...

that's good for you, because ebrake turns are frowned apon in drifting, because it slows you down more then the other techniques...

you are basically "un-syncing" the tires to the ground, and speeding up the tires is much better then slowing them down.

and as i remember, Ueo, the best corolla driver in the sport always RIDES the throttle, with clutch kick initiation, no brakes of anykind for him.

Quote from dougie-lampkin :

ricer burnouts

wadidja say, fool?!?!

Quote from squidhead :

yeah, just like professional D1 GP drifters

errrrm... you start out learning about drifting with the ebrake, you typically don't use it exept to correct the angle of the car as you go throught the corner. some D1GP drifters use the ebrake to do straight line drifts(early initiation), but most use feint.



and yes, ebrakes are for EMERGENCIES, like when you haven't planned out the line and you need to correct your line as you are going too fast into a corner. and they are also for people who are scared; you can whip a car around 180 degrees with a clutch kick-powerover.



oh, and it's for noobs in FF's

(note:when i say "noobs in FF's"...i did not say FF drivers are noob drifters, i ment noob drifters who USE ff's)

Last edited by atlantian, Mon 11 Feb 2008, 19:59.

Quote from Ahriman4891 :

So RAC, BF1, MRT and FBM are crap, pointless, and don't fit in LFS?

Since FBM was released I *never* drove FOX. Real cars do have strong appeal, and if each LFS class got a real life car, they'd be the most popular IMO.

P.S.
I understand that licensing requires money that Scavier don't have. I just strongly disagree with the "crap - pointless" part.

not really, if LFS gets good enough and popular enough. the auto companies will PAY Scavier to put their car into the game as a form of advertisement. just like what happened with GT

Quote from tristancliffe :

Okay, so we lost digi-speedos, we lost autocut/blip, we lost behind view (as we knew it) and immediate 90 degree look (but had 45 degrees added instead) and a few things need ironing out (which'll happen for the final version), but we've gained a whole lump of realism in return. Having to control the throttle for upshifts, and manually blip on downshifts (with or without autoclutch) is so much better for racing.
Post and thread slightly in jest (but only slightly) and partially as a mini-dig to all the "it's too hard now" moaning nancy boys!

Honestly, i don't car for the lost of the digi-speedo... although we should make it an option for people... i love the fact that there is no or close to no aids.

about the look function... i still have 90 degree look and rear view... i love the fact that there is more realistic damages(like the clutch).

and i don't know if tire wear is already in there a long time ago... but i love it! it makes racing strategies so much more realistic...

and just a last note: i thought that the reason that people would play LFS is because of the realistic physics... but i got to admit, i am a fan boy of cars, i get hyper over supercars...

Last edited by atlantian, Wed 13 Feb 2008, 00:08.

actually, you can get anything with an engine and wheels to oversteer in an amazingly managed fashion... if you are tiff needle...

Quote from ToXiC10 :

hehe, basicly it always depends on the setup car and how you handle it... hand break is good for tight corners..

that's for people who are too scared to do anything... quick feint then clutch kick at high RPM!

Quote from March Hare :

If that were the case I would have done it driving the XRG.
More like Takahashi Ryosuke with his FC RX7

@atlantian
This just shows how many people believe everything they see on the TV to be real.

Yeesh!

but, yeah... my friend who is joining the local team with me and my other buddy... he is getting the FC3S because Rysuke Takahashi had one... but that's just because he can't decide and wanted something cool.

yeah, i love it, but did you notice how i perspective blured everything?

oh, i have an image of me using it...!!!

I had to blur some stuff because of pixelization...
but... i personally think that w/ the blur it looks like GT5

Last edited by atlantian, Mon 11 Feb 2008, 01:14.

Quote from bbman :

You, sir, are a textbook example of a drifter who hasn't a clue about racing, drifting or a car generally...

how is that true? i am just saying, that people are hypnotized to believe that fr's are better then awd's which is so not true. i think you should brush up on your english skills, because i did not opinionatedly praise Initial D, it is technically accurate, but my point is that the only reason that people loose to a corolla is because the other drivers all suck major balls at driving.

Quote from March Hare :

Besides Takumi was supposed to be this amazingly super duper talented driver. An exceptionally good driver in an old underpowered NA RWD car will most likely beat a bad driver in a new turbo AWD car. Especially on a track that consists of very tight turns with only very short straights and is quite steep down hill.

If you still think Initial D is lame. Are you saying that LFS is lame because I, whilst driving the XRT, can keep up and occasionally even pass some people that drive the FZ5?

^yay! someone who understood my post!

Last edited by atlantian, Sat 9 Feb 2008, 22:59.

kanye west- stronger

actually, i think that people have debates of Drift vs. Grip racing because of initial d... the do talk about racing, but they use drifting to slow down around corners...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WHgkzLtRUE

and sadly fr always triumph over awd...
the reason is always some kind of lame or silly Deus ex Machina... like, for instance... brake fades, panics, fear of on coming traffic, cat got in the way...

note: these are totally true excuses, go watch the series your self...

people are hypnotized to think that good cars are lame, and basic, old, slow FR's are the way to go. and while this show is technically accurate (because keiichi overlooks production)... it gives false impressions, such as that AWD drivers are cocky basterds who can not drive the car themselves... and so that's why there is people who are new to auto sports and claims that FR's are better then AWD. because it's not... FR's can turn in well if you can maintain front wheel grip(because of oversteer). but you wont be able to exit the corner until you get grip on your rear wheels again.

p.s. on a side note, initial d 1st season stresses the point of 4 wheel drifts...WTF? how are you going to corner if you don't have traction???

Quote from Mattesa :

Can you imagine a basketball dunk artist calling everyone else "dribblers". Bwahahahahhahahahaa!
:uglyhamme

wow, that is actually a very good analogy

^thank you! i appreaciate it!!!

couldn't u just unlock more then one computer?

Quote from The Moose :

Anyone who calls racing 'gripping' goes straight on my ignore list.

STFU you gripper!!!

jk, but seriously, there are different camps, drift vs. grip, where you do indeed need unorthodox methods to get through a short corner fast, and there is the RWD vs. FF vs. AWD battle... but in my opinion... grip is a factor that is good in all cases, even drifters like grip... it's what gives you control...

If you say that gripping is just for straight racing... i don't know what to say... except, maybe that you should go see a lobotomist to do a reverse operation... because grip is good for ALL motor sports...

I am going to have to say... "STFU, RICERS!"

the hum of my boxer engine...