Quote from AndroidXP :

Actually, not really *that* much.

20000 S2 licenses = 20000 * 36€ = 720000€
10000 S1 licenses = 10000 * 18€ = 180000€

Total of 900000€, of which Scawen said 40 to 50% are lost due to taxes and other payment fees, so
900000€ * 60% = 540000€

Divided by three persons
540000€ / 3 = 180000€ per person

And all that was spread on the four years of development
180000€ / 4 = 45000€ per year


Still a respectable sum but far from the "OMG DEVS ARE RICH" some people like to make up. Of course everything is just speculation and I have no idea of the real values.

I totally agree and don't forget the "fixed charges" like DSL connection, Master server/forum hosting / and the internet traffic caused by that and the hardware and software etc.

Dear Moderators of this Sub-Forum,

I beg to inform you that I didn't started this merged thread:

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=9123

but with your thumb down smilie and the first post it looks like I did.
But I didn't.

It all was started with a post by Mrs. Fiendi which had the tenor that I'm not welcome to give my vote about the general OLFSL question "About rearranging pools... help by admin or not etc."

It was clearly said "If you are not a member then don't vote".

But I'm a long time member of the OLFSL and I voted.
And I didn't understood why I was chosen out of the voters and was told that when I voted it "is the same way as when a none member voted".

But after explaining why I voted I got nothing but very weak arguments and a post that was aligned to cast a poor light on me.

This feels like a stab in the back for me after all what I did for the OLFSL.
Because I haven't done anything wrong in the OLFSL or to the OLFSL or to the members or the staff of the OLFSL.

Sure I had a lot of conversations in the last 2 or 3 years with Mrs. Fiendi. And (in my eyes) most of the times it ended with her verdict: I offer you my (pool manager) job, show me If you can make it better.
I can post some e-mails If you don't think it was like that. But I don't think it is necessary.

We did not understand each other, maybe it is the lack of my english or of hers. I don't know. But whenever I made suggestions it was understood by her in an invasively manner.

I couldn't make that she understood that a suggestions is not a complaint etc.

Like I said before maybe it is the lack of my english or of hers.

But I don't think that when I write "Tbh that's a strange point of view (but I didn't expected anything else from you)." that this is more a personal insult then choosing me out of the voters for no reaql reason and tell me that I shouldn't vote.

I then started to defend myself in the original thread. That's all.


My suggestions is to just delete this post here and the thread that I haven't started: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=9123

Like I said before. It's always easy to see what you want to see.
If I want I could also see this as a personal insult from you Fiendi that you created such a thread and let it look like I started it. But I don't do.

But to close the thread without answering my questions and after writing again comments about me and don't let me answer the comments is not a nice way in my eyes.

I personally feel sad about all that but (in my eyes) I don't have to apology for anything.

Just erase the thread and this here and that's it.

I'll leave the OLFSL after that as a member (because I don't feel welcome there anymore) and then you don't have to deal with persons who speak one's mind openly and I think then you can be happy again.

I hope you be as fair as I always tried to be with you and erase
this http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=9123 and my post here.

Thank you for your efforts!

Regards,

BBO

Last edited by BBO@BSR, Thu, 15 Jun 2006 01:20.

Quote from Bawbag :

....Clear me if i'm wrong, but this may be what is going on here?...

You are wrong (btw. this is not meant as an insult!)

Quote from varjsa-9 :

You brought this to personal level BBO, live with it. That's your way to operate and it's OK - this is a free forum. Don't call me a liar too because I have eyes. I know&remember all the little things you have done for us, so don't spoil it with stuff like this. Anyway, this thread has gone far away from the topic. Discussion about Mrs's or BBO's or anyone elses personal qualities, which do NOT have anything to do with the topic. You can surely continue this somewhere else if you wish. I hope not.

But it wont happen in here. I'm not interested in your opinions about us in personal level, keep that information to yourself. You don't know us any more than we do you. What I am interested is that which option do you want to see in use in future events - you made that clear allready.

To make it short:

All that started when Mrs. Fiendi choosed to tell me that

Quote from Mrs FienDi :

BBO you voted but you haven't even subscribed. In a way that's the same as not being a member.. You're not involved in any way

How can it be "in a way the same as not beeing a member"?
Tbh this is just bullshit.

In the moment I clicked the vote button I knowed that something will happen and it happend. So i expected it and that's what I wrote. And I was right.


Then I explained why I voted (..this is a question in general and I'm still a member..) and the only thing that comes back is the same argument like in the first post and a lie about me.

Quote from Mrs FienDi :

Yeah.. well, you just show up when you have something to complain about.
I didn't say you don't have the right to vote, but it's almost the same as ppl who aren't even members vote about OLFSL stuff since you're not racing in OLFSL atm.

What did she expected after such a provocation?
That I let such a statement that is untrue uncommented?
Why did she tried to let me look in the eyes of the others like I'm just here to complain about something? A few post later then every member can vote (like it should be).

She wouldn't die if she would have said. OK I was wrong with that first post, you are right as it was a general question and every member should / have the right to vote. But she didn't.

What can you do if she feels insulted just because I said "I expected that from you". For me this is just a normal term not more. I also expected from you that you say something about all that.
Did I now also insult you with that?
Then I don't understand the english language.

But when someone writes a lie instead of arguments about another person like she did here then I'm asking myself what is more personally and only written to denigrate someone in front of others.

Last edited by BBO@BSR, Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:55.

Congratulations to. No you have to watch it yourself

Here http://www.LFS-Events.de
are the Final standings, the replays, the statistics and of course an update in the Hall of Fame.

Congratulations and thank you all for a nice 2nd season

We had so many clean and fair fights and races, just how it should be.
It was really a pleasure to drive with you guys.

Thank you

Quote from felplacerad :

Maybe your discussion is more suited for private messaging ...

You are right but when someone writes something about me here in the Forum that is just not true. Then I also use this Forum to tell them that it is no true.

Last edited by BBO@BSR, Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:43.

Quote from Mrs FienDi :

Usually when I see you write something, it's something you want to complain about. I'm not the only one who thinks that way.

That's the whole point. The first sentence is just not true.

I wrote and did a lot of positive things for the OLFSL in the past (like making reports and sharing it with the OLFSL website, making promotion on the T7R website, sending Fiendi replays after the race because he forgot to save them etc...But you forgot all that and you only wanna see what you want to see here. That's really sad

All you do is posting here you personal impression about me.
And that's not ok.


I just voted because you asked for it.
I did not even wrote something in here till you picked me out of the voters

Quote from Mrs FienDi :

Btw.. BBO you voted but you haven't even subscribed. In a way that's the same as not being a member.. You're not involved in any way.

Why can't you just say. OK I was wrong with that.
You couldn't know if I'm driving the next race or in 4 weeks or whatever.

RichardDK also voted but isn't driving the season till now but his vote is ok and mine not? Where is the difference?

Why did you picked me out of the voters and started all this.
If a member is not = a member then there is something wrong with you and not with me.

Quote from Mrs FienDi :

I'm not the only one who thinks that way.

Well I also know some people who thinks that you mostly got problems when people critisize your work. You just don't see that it is about work or things and not your person. but I think most of them are afraid to speak out what they think about the strange behavoir you sometimes show.


I havn't complained about nothing here in this thread till you started to tell others your personal subjective view about me.
The funny thing is that you are the one and only person in the whole LFS World I got problems with again and again and again.

Quote from Mrs FienDi :

I'm not the only one who feels this way and most of the time when I see you writing something, you're complaining.

That's what I mean. It's just not true. Open your eyes and don't forget all the little things I've done for the OLFSL and try to see how it is and not how you think it is. I told, wrote a lot of times that I like the OLFSL and appreciate the work you all do.

Quote from Mrs FienDi :

So you have the right to insult me on a personal level but I'm not allowed to respond.. I told you before, if you want to comment, fine, comment but stick with the issue and leave the personal insults out of it. If you can do that, you can say what you think. You hardly ever say anything if you are happy with the way things are, but you ALWAYS get involved in discussions and start complaining when you're not. This is probably the reason why my impression of you is what it is. Is that my fault? No, I don't think so. You decide how you want ppl to see you.

You mean I insult you on a personal level when I wrote "I didn't expected anything else from you" Sure it was not necessary but look where we are now.

You just picked me out of the voters for no real reason and then started to tell the others I'm always complaining. That's the whole point.
Like i said before: If a member of the OLFSL is not = a member and have the right to vote then there is something wrong with your point of view and not with mine.

Quote from Gentlefoot :

I've always thought this should be the way of things. It would make it much more realistic if you couldn't teleport. Would be a very good option in league events.

I couldn't say it better

Quote from Mrs FienDi :

It is true.
Anyway I'm not going to start with you this time, so we may as well stop now.

You and me don't get along because when we disagree, at some point you tend to handle it in a less moral way: you insult me on a personal level (like you did here too). You don't know me well enough to insult me personally, in fact you don't know me at all!

I started thinking about this last night and I came up with one reason why you would hate me so much. I've never done anything to you, so that's why I came up with only one reason, although I don't think you could sink that low. But you obviously have a reason to hate me, which is totally fine, you're not my favorite person either.

I don't hate you. I told you that before but I have the feeling you often pick me out of the others for strange things/post/comments.
Because it often ends like this whenever I write my opinion about something and when you got another opinion.
So I'm asking myself if you maybe hate me? But this is more a rhetorical question and I don't really care about it.

Look what you have done again here. In the same post where you write "you're not going to start this time" you write a statement about me that is not true. Why? If you don't wanna start something then don't write statements about other persons.

Open your eyes and look i.e. in the OLFSL Chatterbox.

The last thing I wrote there was:
"
T7R| BBO
02-05 12:27 GMT

A nice upgrade that you did in the members list Fiendi. Looks really good
"

So telling the World here that I just show up when I have something to complain about it just a lie and offends me.

And when you say

Quote from Mrs FienDi :

..BBO you voted but you haven't even subscribed... You're not involved in any way.

Then I think I have the right to say something against that because I think I am involved and what you said there is a strange point of view for me.
Does that mean I hate you? No.

I don't care about what you personally think of me, but when you write posts here and tell others your subjective view of me and also write lies about me and others like f1r3b4ll jump on that train, then this gives me all the right to write something against it.

It has not really to do with your person but with what you write about me. But we got all that before.
Maybe just think about what you write and to whom and if it is just your impression or the truth. That's all I want.

Quote from f1r3b4ll :

So your entitled to vote because you raced in olfsl one year ? - in that case everyones eligible to vote because "it might affect them next year"

2003/2004 is more then 1 year.
But you got it finally. If you are a member you should vote because it might affect your next season.

Quote from Mrs FienDi :

Yeah.. well, you just show up when you have something to complain about.

Bah that's a weak argument and not true and you know that.
We had some discussions in the last years and often don't have the same opinion but I didn't complained about something here.
You asked for A or B. I voted B.
So why you often (when it's me) make more of it then it is?

Quote from Mrs FienDi :

I didn't say you don't have the right to vote, but it's almost the same as ppl who aren't even members vote about OLFSL stuff since you're not racing in OLFSL atm.

How can this be the same. That's what I don't understand.
Except the question was meant to affect only this season.
But you didn't wrote that (asked it that way).

Last edited by BBO@BSR, Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:26.

Quote from f1r3b4ll :

I think you'll find this topic concerns ACTIVE Olfsl members, so kindly stop trolling

The Topic says nothing about that and in the first post is written:
"IF YOU'RE NOT A MEMBER OF OLFSL, PLEASE DON'T VOTE."

I am a member (#911) since 2003 or 2004 (I just forgot) and I think I raced almost every season since that year. So what's your point.

Am I just a member when I am racing every season or what?
(What for is then the members section on the OLFSL site)

Is the question in the first post a general question or not?
Does it affect the next season?
If not then I'm wrong and havn't read the first post properly but I don't think so.

So maybe you also should think before you post something

Quote from Mrs FienDi :

Btw.. BBO you voted but you haven't even subscribed. In a way that's the same as not being a member.. You're not involved in any way.

Tbh that's a strange point of view (but I didn't expected anything else from you).

As this is a question in general and I'm still a member, I think I have the right to vote.

Just because I didn't race the season this time because your Race Calendar crossed the Football WorldCup and the WC Final, doesn't mean I don't care about what's going on in the OLFSL.

Last edited by BBO@BSR, Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:09.

attack of the ghostrider

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Another great example of HDR in action.

I <3 Concerned

good one

Looks nice.

Double pepperoni and cheese for me please

btw

The worst thing i've ever seen was the opening ceremony.
Bavarian guys in Lederhosen and Dirndl everywhere. illepall
I'm asking myself who is responsible for that kind of crap

We don't have to wonder when 1.5 Billion people watching it
and think this is germany
but it's not
it's just a traditional costume worn in bavaria (and this is just 1 county of germany)

I have never seen someone around where I live in germany wearing things like that or have friends who have worn something like that.

It's like if you let Amish people dance everywhere in a US stadium to show the world amerika and then the people think this is Amerika.

just my 2 euro-cents

Last edited by BBO@BSR, Fri, 9 Jun 2006 21:54.

Congratz my friend.

He is really a fast guy (and also a nice and clean racer).
I think he will perfectly fit into the reborn danish ACR.

The official results, replays and stats are online: www.LFS-Events.de

Nice racing

All the best for you and your effort to bring more people to LFS in denmark m8

Quote from MAGGOT :

+1 for the Ericshleife in S2 full

and +1 for the Ericschleife from me. Great name

Great idea. Nice stuff

Quote from XCNuse :

i dont remember.. or atleast i definetly dont remember anything called a ticker tape.. if you had a picture i might be able to remember, but right now i have no idea what your talking about lol

Found an old picture:

I liked that ticker thingy

Quote from Tinytacohead :

Patched from Q to U a few minutes ago and can't seem to find the option for "throttle cut on upshift". That's one of the things that's made driving with a joystick doable - has it been removed or am I just not seeing it in one of the screens?

EDIT-the original title of this thread went with a different message, but I figured that one out, lol..

Check "Player" menu it's the last option there