Quote from Becky Rose :

It's a strange system...

It is

Quote from Becky Rose :

The main thing is though, they only need put it in the license agreement because they can track whether you run a server or not anyway just by monitoring your bandwidth trends which they probably are already doing.

Yes they have it in the license agreements and they also do monitor the bandwith we use here (but they can't do it officially because when you got a flatrate then some of our telecommunication laws don't allow the provider to monitor it.
Because if they were allowed to do it then they would try to get rid of the "powerusers" with high up- and download rates (i.e. high means here more then 20 to 25 GB/month or else you destroy there mixed calculation). illepall

But they do it anyway and in the past they phoned or wrote users and asked if they want to have 100 Euros for changing to another provider (but you have to sign a contract that you'll never come back to that provider etc.)

All in all it's really strange here sometimes

Quote from geeman1 :

That sucks. But I don't think that people would stop buying mail/webservers, because home connections usually "suck" in other ways too. Biggest is probably the low upload bandwidth compared to professional connections.

That's true but in some bigger cities here you get DSL with 16000 down and 1024 UP for only ~25 to 30 Euros That can be enough for smaller companies or private use.

For me the main problem is you pay the same money no matter if they can offer you 16000 or not. They only say you get as much as the line can bring you. So if you are lucky you get it or in small town (like mine) you'll never get near it

I always thought Ron Sommer the former (mis)manager and Chairman of the Deutsche Telekom was responsible for the "after 24 hours you get a disconnetion of Telekom DSL in Germany"

Maybe you also should hate him Crazy Harry

AFAIK it's just there for 1 reason.
People and small companies shouldn't open up web- or mailservers with cheap DSL accounts and static IP adresses.

So they cut your DSL line every 24 hours and give you usually a new IP
(like herki said if you use a good router you can tell when you want it i.e. at 4:40 in the morning or whenever).

btw who would buy or rent a mail- / webserver if it wasn't made that way here

Quote from tomylee :

I'm missing LFSWorld a team statistic. We have a lot of teams here but they are not really saing anything.
There should be a statistic for the teams, how good it is (wins), how fair it is, and so on......
This would make it really interesting to join a team and to keep the spirit up.
I hope it will be implemented really soon
tomylee

I don't think that statistics will ever be able to display the spirit of a team.
And there is no way to compare "how fair a team is".
Is a Team who shares setups more fair then a Team that doesn't do it? etc.

The other problem with bigger Teams is when drivers can't race for a longer time (due to real life matters). Then their stats will bring the whole Team down etc.

And there are many Teams that doesn't win much Leagues or big events but they do a lot for LFS in the background. You'll only know if you read different forums or their websites. Stats wouldn't say much about it.

So -1 from me.

£38.86

Quote from thisnameistaken :

He said £110, not euros.

Your right. Sorry for mixing £ and €.
Think I should reduce my screen resolution

Quote from troy :

http://www.techmania.ch/detail ... 209456&sessionID=1200
but they dont ship/send outside of switzerland (the price is in swiss franks)

Quote from troy :

in switzerland you can get the g25 already for 110£
dont ask me why they are so cheap here

I checked your link and my Bank tells me:
264.05 Swiss franc = 167.056 Euro not 110.

and google means:
264,05 Swiss franc = 166,920941 Euro

Edit: I didn't read it properly you wrote £ not € ;-)

Last edited by BBO@BSR, Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:43. Reason : I was wrong

np

Quote from goldzxc :

While I did a virus check, the anti-virus was hangging in the restore folder.

I found the folder and it was almost 3 gig ..... can I just delete it?

Is there a certain way to get ride of it?

googled it, could not find somthing ...

No you can't just delete it you have to turn the system restore for all drives OFF in the system properties and restart windows.

check Figure 4. on that site if you don't now where:
http://www.mcpmag.com/features/article.asp?EditorialsID=287

Quote from tristancliffe :

But I did notice a general Jaffa Cake theme going on. Android - a Jaffa Cake is a small soft biscuit sized 'cake', with a little orangey jelly bit on the top, covered in chocolate. This might help you. There was some doubt as to whether it was a cake or a biscuit,

OT
I don't care if it is a cake or a biscuit. But I love it for years. Still one of my favourites. I think I have to go shopping tom. to buy me some. Yummy

Quote from traxxion :

Weingart sounds fair enough to me..? People also call M. Schumacher, Schumacher all the time
I'm being called Kooij a lot lately though, that's worse (pleaaassse add van der ).

OK but then I always feel I'm back in the army where you always was called by your last name.

I think it's much easier for a foreigner to remember short nicknames.
In your case I can easily remember the nick traxxion but when I always had to type "hi van der Kooij" it would be much more difficult (and I think I'll forget that name over the next days :rolleyes:.

Like Fetzo wrote:

Quote from Fetzo :

everyone who thinks that his/her real name is more personal than his/her nick name never had a real nick name. you cannot compare some name you just made up to disguise your identity with a nickname you have answered to for more than a decade...

In my case I used the nickname BBO for more then 22 years! now and also real life friends, my sister etc. call me often just BBO.

I think I would collapse if I had to memorize all the 200? 300? 400? real names of all the LFS people I know. :schwitzmaybe I'm just getting old)

Quote from Bradracer :

....

edit: also, as posted above a bit, someone gave a link to cocacola site, and it had a page with the cocacola logos that were free to download.....surely cocacola, the biggest drink company in the world, wouldnt do that if there were any laws against it?

Yes you can download there some copyrighted pictures
but they also have Terms of Use on their site and
that you can download their pictures doesn't mean you can do what you want with it.

From the Coca Cola site
" ... Content within the "Press Center" section of the Site may be reproduced solely for editorial purposes in daily newspapers, ....
... you may not distribute, modify, copy (except as set forth above), transmit, display, reuse, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, sell or otherwise use Content without The Coca-Cola Company's written permission..."

Quote from Rubenz81 :

"Have you ever i.e heard about / read the European Copyright Directive (EUCD)?
I bet no.

It doesn't matter how you define something. It's the copyright law that defines it for you, me and all the others."

In fact the laws about copyright in Europe are so caotic that companies register logos under EACH country where they are present plus on UE laws.
Because laws in Italy are different from the one in Germany, and EUCD will not cover you in some cases. Coca Cola is a registered mark not only in USA but also in Italy, Spain, UE etc...

I totally agree there with you but it's not the point here.

I just replied (as an example) a post where someone wrote:

"As long as it is for non commercial use, under EU law you can use whatever copyrighted material you wish!"

Which is completly wrong and that implies the writer have never ever heard or read something about copyrights.

Anyway the first post from AtomAnt says it all.

Ask Then use.

Quote from filur :

Material theft and including a copyrighted reference in art for the sake of individual entertainment is hardly comparable.

Also the fact that you can sue person for something doesn't automatically make something illegal.

You (and the others) are right it was not the best example.
I tried to find something that's make it easy to understand in general. (because someone posted "..you can use everything for free.." etc.).
So it wasn't meant to be an example for logos on skins.
So it's not OT @ TiJay (read the quote in that post., It wasn't just about skins and logos )

The biggest problem is that people who have not really an idea or to do with it, post something like the "you can use everthing for free use as long as it's not commercial" bullsh*t then another one jumps on the train and write "As people have already said here in the forum" etc.

This is how urban legends are build.
"Internet ? Everything is for free there. I read that often in forums bla bla
MP3 downloading is legal because everyone is doing it" etc.

I hope you get what I mean.

The whole copyright theme is far to complex and to complicated to solve it here but if more people would just read terms of use or just ask the rightsholder for permission etc. it would be much easier. Sometimes

Last edited by BBO@BSR, Thu, 7 Sep 2006 22:26.

Quote from Smax :

Yes, I'm quite sure you're right about the copyright part, but equally if the issue was taken particularly seriously then big sites like brandsoftheworld.com would have been whacked with cease and desist orders by now. The fact that they haven't is in my opinion proof that the notion of public domain does carry some weight.

Well if the users would read then the Terms of use of brandsoftheworld.com says it all:

"...
All logos are trademarks of their respective owners, and are offered as a convenience for their lawful use only, with proper permission from the copyright or trademark holders. Downloading files from this site does NOT give you authorization or permission to use the copyrighted logos without the specific consent of the copyright or trademark holder. Before you use, reproduce or distribute in any manner any logo found on this site, you must first receive the express permission of the holder of the copyright or trademark of that logo. Failure to obtain such permission is a violation under international law."

and

"The primary use of site is to enable designers to access vector-forms of the well-known brand-logos that they can use in their presentations, given the permission of the copyright owner" !!!

It's just simple to understand even if my english is not the best.

Last edited by BBO@BSR, Thu, 7 Sep 2006 23:01.

Quote from Bradracer :

As people have already said, if you are not using the logo for personal gain, such as profits, like making the skins, and selling it on with the logo on, then the company cannot sue you,

This is wrong!
Check my above post.

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I'm not telling people to not use logos of brands on their car skins etc.
Everyone has to decide this himself.

And like Smax said these are (depends of what) low level infractions but to make it clearer.

When you steal something in a shop and you don't get caught or sued
doesn't mean you have the right to do it or it is legal.

Last edited by BBO@BSR, Thu, 7 Sep 2006 16:47.

Quote from Thorvertonian :

As long as it is for non commercial use, under EU law you can use whatever copyrighted material you wish!

It depends how you define non commercial, it isn't as simple as non profit, but hey, playing in a computer game is reasonably safe (Unless your American!)

I could really freak out when I read such stupid statements. illepall

Where do you get this completly wrong (in germany we call this dangerous superficial knowledge) Information from?

Have you ever i.e heard about / read the European Copyright Directive (EUCD)?
I bet no.

It doesn't matter how you define something. It's the copyright law that defines it for you, me and all the others.

If someone copyright i.e. the database of a website he created or a photo or whatever he created then you can't use it without his permission or till the rights are extinct. No matter if it is commercial use or not.

If you do , he can sue you after EU right. That's a fact.

Quote from Thorvertonian :

But the safest thing to do, is to ask permission...

In all cases this is the only (correct) way to stay out of trouble.

Quote from bo-kristiansen :

When i was going to licence S1 I wanted to call myself "EasyLee"
....

"EasyLee"

I thought about using
April Maijune
or
Rusty Nail


The main problem for me is if I use my real name I want to use it completly
but it doesn't fit with all those funky coloured tag stuff in front of it.

T7R|Bernd Weingart (is too long)
it's then more like
T7R|Bernd Weinga (is not complete)
or
T7R|B. Weingart (how do people call my then. B? or Hey Wineguard or? :shrug

League or not I want to show show what team I'm driving for.
So "T7R| BBO" is easy to remember easy and quick to write and use etc.

I only use the complete name if I have to (or when LFS allows me to use more letters .

Quote from Captain Slow :

EDIT: so could people be sued for recreating a skin of a real life race car?

If there is copyrighted material on it or when they trademarked the complete graphical design of the car then:
Yes.

It doesn't mean that will ever happen. It just means they could if they would.

Quote from zeugnimod :

And the Band "Allianz" became the "band without a name" here.

Quite a popular word.

Yes another good example

Quote from XCNuse :

im pretty sure you can't advertise a company without permision when the advertisement actually costs money and/or produces money for yourself

That's right.

And it's much more complicated here then most of you think.

It doesn't matter if you use an international copyrighted logo from a company for making money or for your hobby or whatever.

If you use it without permission, then you used it without permission.
No matter for what.

They (the companies) can sue you at any time they want for using their logo/brand/name without permission.

In Germany you usually get a cease-and-desist order/warning from an advocate and then you have to pay at least the legal fees (usually around 500 to 1500 Euros for smaller infringements).

This happens here a lot of times.

Just a small example
(I be careful now so I write I have heard):
There was a counterstrike clan who called himself "nationale allianz" and the "Allianz assurance company" sued them for using their name but alliance is just a normal word here illepall etc.
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But you often get a cease-and-desist order/warning from an advocate for less then that here in Germany. illepall

Edit:
So usually they don't ask you to remove their logo or whatever. They let their advocats do it here and it always costs money when they write you. Always.

Last edited by BBO@BSR, Wed, 6 Sep 2006 21:54.

Quote from [RCG]Boosted :

um...sorry im not lazy but 700 screenshots? im not gonna do that lol (i want to know the splits as well )

Well you didn't said that in the first post :rolleyes:
To just see just the WR and your own stats it's like 7 screenshots not more.
But maybe need some auto downloading-wr-hotlap-tool
because the WR overview doesn't show the splits.
So I guess you want all the replays or?
If so maybe Victor can make us one day an "Download all WR hotlaps at once" Button

EDIT: lol now I got it. You use the hotlap charts (Quick hotlap compare) to see the splits.

Quote from [RCG]Boosted :

and btw i know wr changes every day, but at least u have a mark, and usually the new wr's arent that far off from the old ones.

Your right - that's why I used the screenshots

What about some simple screenshots.
(did it myself this way when I lived in a town where I only got dial up connection)

It takes ~30 secs to 1 minute to make screenshots of the 6 WR overviews on the LFSWorld site.
Do it once a week (or every 2 weeks) and thats it.

A self updating java app (or whatever) programm won't help you much if you lost your internet connection.

The fast and the furious together in one Team

All the best for your new Team

I think I heard that music before

Funny