I like the song!

It's a little on the long side, but the camera work is pretty sweet Karolis.

Quote from Intrepid :

On a side note McLaren apparently have signed up another karter by the name of Nyck De Vries. Fantastic little driver he's about 2 foot - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ3Pl223M2I

Thats a wicked piece of onboard footage. So nice to have the camera mounted ON the Kart itself in a place where you can see the drivers inputs as well, rather than from the moving helmet (horrible), or on the front bumper (horrible).

Quote from Gnomie :

Interesting! Looking forward to DaveWS' take on the inertia changes. Less snappiness, more weighty feel perhaps....???

Also, I wonder how the aliens will respond to the brake bias adjustments in the Corvette.

Yeah, I'm really excited about trying the new build now! :P Sounds promising.

Quote from Funnybear :

The car's probably worth more than the house. Fence it off and beat anyone who comes to claim it with a big stick. 'My car now! Get off my lawn! She's mine, She's in my bed and She is staying!'

I agree, though obviously after driver and co driver have been extracted.

Quote from Gills4life :

Just came 2nd for the 2nd time against a load of Class B drivers as the only rookie in the field. Really enjoying the racing, just wish I could afford more of the tracks to compete in a full series with some of the other cars.

Aaah, it was you in the 10 pm race! I was lucky to start that one, internet gave up and disconnected me a couple of minutes before the start, luckily it reconnected soon enough to make it..

What happened to you anyway? Black flag?

Will Power was in that race too, pretty sure it was the Indy Car driver.

Quote from StableX :

oooh, what did or does he usually play?

LFS! lol

http://www.spdoracing.com/eventdb/drivers

Name: David Williams
Car Selection: FZ5
Car Number: 01
Team: My3id Gaming

Awesome driving in slippery conditions in a porsche rally, that is until the unfortunate and pretty scary looking crash at the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAD7B1sYNCg

Uploaded a decent quality version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU08JcJAgKo&fmt=22

:bannana_g

Quote from pearcy_2k7 :

Because its hilarious maybe?

I'm glad we've managed to amuse you guys who obviously don't care so much without even trying to! Welcome Reno!

Thanks guys! If I'm honest though I'm a little disappointed. I had some kind of painful cramp in my back out of nowhere just before qualifying which was pretty horrible, but I don't think it affected me during the race.

The field today was truely awesome, just look at the qualifying times and how tight things were (5th to 21st place seperated by just over 6 tenths). Still I was pretty hopeful of a top 5 result after the first few laps, where I managed to get past Dom Duhan and stay there for 9 laps. Frustratingly I had a bit of a balancing act for a while where I was looking to get past Peter Read while keeping Dom in check, but Dom was all over me trying to get past and eventually we went into stowe side by side and then into Vale with him on the outside. I made sure to give him room, so I had to get on the brakes hard and keep to the inside, and locked up the rear in the process and spinning hopelessly at 20 mph (those who've driven the C6R will know how easy it is to end up doing this). Shortly after that, frustrated, I was a little to eager on the throttle in one of the following laps and had another spin out of club. I got my head together after that and slowly worked back up into the top 10.

Still, it was great fun and probably one of the most intense races I've been in, oh and yeah, well done Brian too!

Edit: James, yeah I'll definately try and do the pro series early next year.

Last edited by DaveWS, Mon, 7 Dec 2009 00:14.

Bump, qualifying for the A main starts in 20 mins.

"Yeah, but this is HD TV, it has better resolution than real life" - Phillip J Fry, Futurama

LOL.

On demand video of heat 2 race (me and Misko's). http://www.psrtv.com/index.php ... FShowdownAtSilverstone%2F

Haven't watched it yet, but I know Misko was involved in a bit of action.

Quote from TV[cz] :

Nice, Misko and DaveWS both qualified to tomorrow's primary race! Commentators didn't figure out the reason for Misko's slow down because of cutting of last corner so they speculated about him running out of fuel.

Yeah thanks, good result for me and Misko. Unlucky Jason had a timeout(?) though. My race was pretty uneventful while I tried to keep to around a second from Dom (Duhan), that is till a half spin on the final lap (doh!), but didn't lose any spots. Tomorrow should be very intense!

/me goes to follow the MoE precedings...

Anyone planning on doing the hosted and broadcast race this weekend at Silverstone in the Corvette?

http://www.simtrophy.com/news

Lots and lots of big names signed up, including a few LFS'ers like me, but plenty more spots open, and there will heats leading into splits on sunday so you'll be matched up with similarly skilled drivers.

It's the first major iRacing event, so join up people!

Apparantly he was resting one of his balls on a tee while driving.

Quote from tristancliffe :

What are the odds of me getting to race online this weekend? I've not managed it yet (despite trying), because there are never any races for any of the cars/tracks I actually own.

Played more last weekend, but want to do some more before I commit myself to a position. I think my subscription ends some time next week, so this weekend is the last chance to play it - at least for the time being.

Well you can race the Solstice any time, at either Laguna Seca or Lime Rock, the Skip Barber is at Lime Rock this week so you could race that, the Spec Racer is at Lowe's Road course so you could race that, and you could race the Mazda last week at Silverstone.

Quote from jtw62074 :

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Very interesting to have your input as always Todd, thanks. Could I ask how KartSim is going?

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

So then your beef seems to be when the tires are able to provide enough force to overcome a change in direction already in progress. They are therefore too responsive under certain circumstances in your opinion.

Yep, I think that's pretty much got the nail on the head.

Quote :

I wonder why that is or if LFS's constant sliding around (currently) has influenced your instincts? I really can't say to be honest. I installed LFS again recently in anticipation of the new tire model being released. I had a go today with the XRT at BL1 for quite some time. I really was a bit surprized how fluffly it really is, I had to retrain myself quite a bit after driving the Solstice so much.

I don't think so, because I'm definately of the opinion that the tyre model in LFS is far from perfect. TBH it's almost the opposite extreme to iRacing compared to reality IMO. In LFS the fastest way to drive is to set the attitude of the car up into a ~10+ degree slide depending on what car you are in, and carry that throughout the corner. A lot of times it is also faster to get the car very sideways on entry, and the tyres will always give you as much grip as you need, when they should be struggling under excess load. I want to be punished for untidy / bad driving, the quickest way through a corner should be to get the tyres all working together as evenly as possible, but at the same time be able to rescue the car if things get out of shape, albeit with considerable laptime lost. I have a feeling *cough* that the new LFS tyres will be a major major step forward though.

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

I hear what you're saying about inertia I just don't see how they could mess up something that obvious. The C6R really isn't a heavy car; it weights less then my Hyundai Elantra by a fair amount (!). Seems reasonable to me that a car lighter than my compact with super fat slicks would act like it's on rails and have a lot of mechanical grip alone, nevermind adding some downforce to it. It's not just the car's inertia that matters, really it's the ability of the car to overcome it's own inertia... Racing vehicles are designed to do that as top priority right?

I agree that the solstice and skippy are extremely convincing. Therefore I would say the problem (if there really is one, I'm not convinced there is either way at this point) probably has to do with downforce & load sensitivity (really just the latter). You don't seem to have any beef with non downforce cars... how do you feel in the Lotus and/or the DP?

Yeah you could be right about it solely being down to the tyres. I was listing to the opinion nation last night, and Dave Kaemmer was explaining about a new tyre model which was not so reliant on limited data which would only work well under non extreme conditions, but rather is completely new and able to give convincing results under many different extreme states for which tyres aren't normally tested. Sounded very much like the approach Scawen posted he was taking with the model he is working on now.

I keep saying inertia purely because that's how it feels. If it's hard to get wrong then I guess we must give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they've modelled that correctly.

I like the Lotus quite a lot actually, it's a little more controllable on the limit than the Mazda and IndyCar, but I didn't race it last season due to not having most of the tracks. The DP gets a lot of stick from everyone for being a dog to drive, but personally I don't mind giving it a thrash every now and then. I don't think it handles much like the real thing would though, you need to be sliding it about a lot to go fast, which is I think where a lot of complaints stem from.

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

Tristan regarding iR - what's your thoughts on the Solstice, or have you given it a fair go?

I really wish the Skippy was basic content, I'd be very curious to hear your thoughts on that car specifically.

I haven't really set foot in the Radical or the Mazda, I'm all about the non-downforce cars.

I know you asked Tristan but IMO the Solstice is actually very believable and genuine to drive at the limit. The tyres react pretty much how I'd expect in RL. I do think all cars in iRacing have too little rotational inertia, but it's less noticable in the Solstice, and the Skippy, which I also like a lot.

The Mazda, Radical and Dallara IndyCar are horribly unpredictable and snappy on the limit of adhesion, as I've said all along, be it a tyre physics issue or a physical inertia issue (feels like a combination).

Edit: I actually have a theory as to why a lot of guys in iRacing use shitloads of throttle under braking.. I think it's because lift off oversteer when it happens is so violent and fast (low inertia?) that it's impossible to control unless you avoid it happening in the first place, i.e. with loads of throttle.

Edit 2: The Corvette is about as far as I'm gonna go ATM with the race cars in iRacing. It doesn't feel anywhere near weighty enough for a big GT car, but at least it's catchable on the limit if you pretend you're driving a 2 stroke Kart and react as quickly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmuGzGOPoKY&fmt=22

Last edited by DaveWS, Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:02.

- Lap 42
- Cars #05 and #40
- 1:03.20 into the race

Car #05 attempts a passing manouver on the lapped GT2 car of #40. Car #40 refuses to give #05 the position despite being on the outside through the corner, and then proceeds to hold up #05 for the rest of the lap until the backstraight in the final sector.

It states in the rules:

A driver under a blue flag SHOULD keep to his line and give way when the
lapping car presents an overtaking maneuver.

Cut replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?l2mznwlz0mz

Quote from Shotglass :

if you want something that actually feels like a car like it has weight and like its been built for fun rather than for performing colonoscopies try the legend round lime rock

But why don't the rest of the cars feel as convincing and driveable? Personally even the Legends feels much more responsive than I'd imagine the real counterpart would.

Quote from tristancliffe :

The cars don't appear to have any progression, feel or mass.

Good to know I'm not alone with my original opinion! Of course it is difficult to make a accurate judgement on something with such little experience, but it sounds like we are in agreement, and of course your opinion is pretty valuable given the cars you've raced in real life, and more importantly, the understanding of what's possible in different sims. Be sure to post again if you have another go.