Quote from CSF :

I don't quite understand what you mean by your last line. You don't deserve what?

Well you're basically saying because I spun we should have lost, when in actual fact I was challenging for 2nd again before the race was over.

Quote from CSF :

Well if Dave had not spun this discussion wouldn't be taking place.

Yes, I hold my hands up there, it was my mistake, and a pathetic one at that. But does that mean I don't deserve to drive out of my skin for 7 laps closing back down on SR for the championship?

Quote from jasonmatthews :

our grapes Dave, and indeed it's a shame you can't accept that...

It's not sour grapes at all. I honestly don't like making a protest under the circumstances, it's always nice to have a clear deserving winner. But from my point of view the SR car was weaving about just as I came up to his bumper which can be seen in the replay, he moves left then right, then back to the left as I'm alongside, there is contact, and I'm off into the grass. This definitely affected my braking as I'd lost my bearings and had dirty tyres.

Quote from Seb66 :

Think your clutching at straws there son.. Hardly any violet movements from the replay.. car 04 didn't really change lines at all, just held his own.

Well it's a shame it came down to this right at the last minute in the race, but you can't ignore how he was blocking like that.

Otherwise, fantastic race and season.

Lap: Last lap
Cars: 02 and 04
Sector: 3

02 gets in the draft of 04, and approaching the hairpin, 04 moves from side to side violently just before 02 has overlap, forcing 02 to avoid suddenly, then as 02 is alongside, 04 makes contact with 02 who is as far left as possible, causing them to run into the grass just before entering the hairpin braking zone. To summarize 04 changes lines several times while trying to block 02.

Replay: http://localhostr.com/files/d2bdc1/Finale.mpr (cut version)

Last edited by DaveWS, Sat, 4 Sep 2010 23:46.

Quote from troy :

Can't see how anybody thinks this was an "ok" move by schumi, you can clearly see him checking his mirrors for pretty much the whole straight and just when rubens is on his side he starts to squeeze him even more, it would've been ok if he made his intentions clear by going completely to the right side (since he clearly knew rubens will have a go at him there) but he decided to risk a really bad crash and possibly horrible consequences for the people in the pitlane, well deserved penalty in my opinion.

Totally agreed. He made the mistake of not moving far enough over to the right hand side of the track well BEFORE Rubens even got near him. Rubens had a good 3 car width gap to the right of Schumacher which he of course chose to take. Schumacher should have conceded the right hand side once Rubens had started to have overlap, squeezing like that is out of order and will only cause a possible accident.

Quote from Drift King CZ :

Yea, ok, I didn't see it, so the description from the guy who was driving basically... Sorry if it wasn't really like that. Sorry David. :|

NP. I don't think your driver knew I was going to pass on the left as he moved over while I was alongside.

Quote from spanks :

Also, Spa is coming to iracing.

:woohoo: :bannana_p :bowdown:

Quote from Mp3 Astra :

Is there a back story to this? Am I missing a part of the story that makes this so bad? (This isn't sarcasm, I genuinely have no idea)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hntMJ7BugFA


BTW, check this out: http://www.iracing.com/multimedia/videos/

iRacing with their own regular TV show and round up. This is the first episode, and it's pretty cool.

Quote from anttt69 :

Hey David check this out:
http://members.iracing.com/ifo ... readID=89958&tstart=0

Rietveld gloating over his prizes. He might only be saying thanks to iR but talk about rubbing it in your face.

Yeah that is a bit low.

Quote from PMD9409 :

This tonight felt like a win, I'll tell you that much.

http://members.iracing.com/mem ... =2093021&custid=15579

Great job Phil, impressive in that field with several top DWC drivers. And grats on your win Dustin. :P

Quote from Töki (HUN) :

Haha, it was fun watching Di Grassi. Poor guy

Di Grassi had a bit of a nightmare yeah. He obviously hadn't had enough practice to feel comfortable in the sim, and after a couple of excursions his car was too damaged to continue (I don't think the cars were repaired after a reset). Hopefully other drivers won't be put off by the challenge in the future but it seems to probably be the case.

Was really looking forward to this event, didn't go my way at all. In fact I am quite appalled at the driving displayed by one driver.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hntMJ7BugFA

For those who don't know there is a broadcast race tonight, the final of the "GP Masters", where the top 20 qualifying iracers who entered will race against an F1 driver (Di Grassi) and the current Star Mazda champ leader for some pretty hot prizes.

The stream is at 21:30 GTM here: www.iracing.com/multimedia/live-broadcasts/

And we each have a paint job / colour assigned for the event:

I try not to worry too much about safety rating. If you just race prepared and focus you won't have many incidents anyway. I managed to go 6 in a row incident free when boosting my SR for Pro promotions, but I don't think I'd be able to do 10, without it ruining the fun.

It's not perfect and lacks depth and contrast, but IMO each track they release has ever improved textures and colour. The detail is fantastic.

Quote from BlueFlame :

Nick is the most is the closest anyone will get to hearing a dead person speak, they guy is completely boring. I WAS #1 IN THE TOP SPEED WANKING!

You're a strange guy. Nick has a great sense of humour imo, and always says what he thinks. He even said something was "bullshit" earlier (though I was trying to revise at the time and didn't catch it all). His insight was great I thought.

Gary is equally interesting to listen to atm.

Stunning.

Quote from StableX :

yeah, in the real car, the understeer isn't like that at all. There's a lot more grip to the car. I didn't find the oversteer different turning left to right either.....

I think you're a lot right about the tyre modelling. With that not right, it will really throw out the car handling. However, if you look at the setup screens, they seem more comparable to the impala than you'd expect on the V8, no?

A lot of, if not all the entry understeer can be dialled out with some setup changes. The default setups have absolutely terrible understeer. If you decrease front springrates, increase front bump and rear rebound, it cures a LOT of that. Possibly increase the rake too (lower the front rh and raise the rear rh), but you don't want to increase the on throttle oversteer too much.

I agree with you to an extent about the setup options, though fundamentally the car shares a lot of similarities with a stock car anyway. But it's silly we don't have a rear wing adjustment.

Quote from Gills4life :

E: I really hope they get the Williams right. The Indycar feels way off in my opinion, not that I really have licence to comment having never driven one in real life, but I see Indycar drivers holding slides and catching the rear all the time, especially around street circuits. It's just not possible to do the same kind of thing with it in iRacing at the moment! The Formula One cars look quite catchable when watching on TV but then again the F1 drivers have the seat of their pants feeling that we won't have in a sim.

Totally agree, I'm really looking forward to that, probably more than any sim car yet. I really really hope it has a tyre model closer to the Mazda than the Indy Car too.

Great coverage at the moment on the BBC site, with Heidfeld in the commentary box.

I think 90% of the "problems" with the cars are down to the tyre physics modelling. I think with the V8, the modelling of the combined slip for the tyres (it seems to me lateral grip is fine, but longitudinal grip isn't affected as much as it should be at high lateral slip angles. In the DP it's much much worse though, you can exit corners completely sideways full throttle, and not lose any traction at all), and perhaps the torque effect on the lock diff is too great, but I'm just speculating. I really like driving the V8 though, it has character and requires good throttle and car control. I don't think it's half as bad as some people think either. I think the Indy Car is much more broken (though it feels brilliant with high tyre pressures, which reduces overall grip, but in the current tyre model loosens up the peak slip angles a fair bit).

TBH, I think the most convincing car to drive at the moment is now the Formula Mazda, which is funny because I used to hate it before the most recent tyre update to it.

Edit: What do you think is wrong with the V8 Andy? Is it the way it has more oversteer in right handers compared to left, or the corner entry understeer? Or the exit oversteer? These are all down to the locked diff.

Last edited by DaveWS, Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:05.

Quote from anttt69 :

Good luck to David, Blake, & Richard. I can see degrassi getting an ass woopin!

Thanks! Should be a pretty awesome event I think. Plenty of stiff competition though, and I don't mean the Pro drivers.

@Jason: Haha thanks, yeah I'm having to force myself to revise, last one on Wednesday though.

Well this time around there are a bunch of LFS'ers in the Pro Series who I think will make the DWC.

Jesse Nieminen, Hugo Luis, Vincent Staal, Danny Engels and Marcio Campos. Then there are many iRacers who didn't race the first Pro Series, but probably will be in the DWC; and several are good enough IMO to challenge Greger with enough practice (don't forget practice is huge, Greger practices everyday with the focus on one event only), such as Jeffrey Rietveld, Klaus Kivekas, Max Dell'orco, Luca Masier, Aleksi Aloma and Matthias Egger.

I also hope to make the DWC myself. I'm glad I didn't this time around actually since I'm not comfortable in the Dallara, it's too unpredictable I find, and requires me to learn a new way of driving, limited by front end grip. I think if when we see someone challenge Greger this year, it will probably be either Luke Mclean (has much better race than qual pace), or Richard Towler.

Quote from sam93 :

I can do Maths? I actually enjoy doing Maths lol.

If that's the case, good! But when I say Maths, I mean Maths. If this interests you, then good, I've nothing more to say.

If you can't do maths, you will not succeed in an Engineering degree. It's tough, I'm struggling myself! I suggest you change your direction and aim to become a mechanic.

my 2 cents.