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dungbeetle
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Seeing as Mr H is so popular among the other drivers right now, he better watch his six for Kamikaze pilots at T1 tomorrow as they all attempt to clear the way for Massa.
dungbeetle
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Quote from Bean0 :The FIA have gone truly mad now...standardised engines and gearboxes from 2010 are looking likely.

Like somebody already said a while ago, those that can afford it will only spend their money somewhere else instead.
dungbeetle
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Quote from Mackie The Staggie :... Massa finishes with 3 points, but is penalised for looking a bit like Andy Kaufman

ROFL!

Quote from Davidos93 :Raikkonen cannot win the champion ship unless hamilton has points decucted

Oh, I'm sure that could be arranged ...
dungbeetle
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Quote from samjh :FP times don't mean jack, unless they're consistent throughout the weekend.

Ferrari was doing heavy fuel runs in FP2, for example. That's why they're down the table.

Sorry, did I say they meant 'jack'?
dungbeetle
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How things are looking after Friday Practice 2:

dungbeetle
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Quote from SilverArrows77 :He [Hamilton] showed his greatest weakness again during the last race, a lack of maturity and foresight once the race is underway.

At no point was there ANY need to attempt the bold passes he did during the first laps of race and it was his own lack of "self control" that placed him in the situations that lead to badly flatspotted tyres, contact causing the spin, and the following drive through penalty. If the lad truly wants this championship then this end of the season is where he needs to show he has the abilty to learn from mistakes and not place himself in such situations, considering he was in the same position last season and let the title slip.

Yeah. It certainly looked like his poor start off the line prompted him to take a risk at T1.
dungbeetle
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I'll make no bones about it, I've always been keen to see Lewis win, because he's a British driver driving for a British team - plain and simple. (And let those here who fly the British flag next to their name and yet still seem to insist on being fashionably controversial at Britain's expense, say what they will).

Until recently, my enthusiasm has been mainly due to a mixture of patriotism and the realisation that we currently seem to have the machinery and the talent to actually win something.

But now (I'm almost ashamed to say), I want him to win for all the wrong reasons.
dungbeetle
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Quote from Gav190 :Bourdais' penalty was completely unjustified though.

He shouldn't take it personally. It was just an FIA ruse to give Massa an extra point.
dungbeetle
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Here's how things are looking after Friday Practice 2:

dungbeetle
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Quote from RossUK :Massa's lap was really great, and probably not down to fuel as much as some Hamilton fans would like to believe

Yeah. From some of the in-car shots I saw, Massa did look smooth. He didn't seem to be fighting with the car as much as the others.
dungbeetle
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Quote from J.B. :Here's a full lap onboard from Alonso. Not a great lap but after that the director kept jumping around without showing a full lap.

http://rapidshare.com/files/14 ... 8_singapore_alonso_fp.mpg

The track looks quite exiting actually, loads better than Valencia.

Nice vid.

Thanks for that, J.B.
dungbeetle
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Quote from Mazz4200 :Scoop, just found a picture of Max Mosley with a 2009 spec F1 car http://www-uxsup.csx.cam.ac.uk ... techlinks/Postman-Pat.jpg

Yes, I'd heard that he likes to wear uniforms.
dungbeetle
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I can understand why an actual drive through penalty appeal is deemed inadmissible, for practical reasons.

If the drive through actually takes place during the race, then it would be impossible to sort out subsequently who would have finished where.

Fair enough.

But for what 'practical' reason is an appeal against a post-race time penalty deemed inadmissible?
dungbeetle
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Quote from Mustafur :Its mainly if it happens during a race and a drive through is forced.

It's not possible to appeal in this case because you didn't finish in the postion beforehand.

Quote from Hyperactive :How do you correct a drivethrough given in a race after the race? How do you make up for it? Give bonus points? Give grid bonus in the next quali? Certainly it doesn't make sense that it is not possible to correct an error when the results table has been re-organized after the race by the stewards. But if someone gets a drivethrough and does it during the race there just isn't a way to give it back. Or is there?

Yes, under certain circumstances, I would agree with what you are saying.

If the drive through penalty actually takes place during the race, then it would indeed be impossible to work out subsequently who would have finished where, and under those circumstances the rule makes sense.

However, if a time penalty is given after the race has finished, in lieu of a drive through, then there is no 'practical' reason why an appeal should not be heard.

The time penalty was added after the race, so if it's wrong, it could just as easily be removed after the race.
dungbeetle
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Quote from xaotik :Way too low drag coefficient - to get the proper value for an F1 car you'd need a design like this:

Plenty of room for advertising/sponsorship too - excellent!
dungbeetle
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Quote from traxxion :McLaren’s Hamilton appeal ruled inadmissible

And I quote:

"However, the Court rejected McLaren’s right to appeal, citing Paragraph 5 of Article 152 of the International Sporting Code, which states: “Penalties of driving through or stopping in pit lanes together with certain penalties specified in FIA Championship regulations where this is expressly stated, are not susceptible to appeal.”

What a bloody stupid rule!

Caveat: My comment above has nothing to do with Hamilton's particular situation in this instance. I realise that this has already been 'done to death' here and I certainly do not wish to propogate further discussion about that.

My objection relates to the rule itself.

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that the stewards could genuinly make a wrong decision with regard to a drive through penalty, in which case this rule prevents any correction.

ANY decision by the stewards that is subsequently found to be incorrect should have the right of appeal in my (not so ) humble opinion.
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dungbeetle
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Quote from thisnameistaken :To be fair it doesn't look much worse than the Williams in the background of the first photo.

Well OK it does look much, much worse, but only because the modern F1 car is so much lower and consequently wider-looking.

Edit: Looked at them again. The old-school Williams still looks kinda cool, the 2009 Williams is ****ing, ****ing ugly. It looks like the rear wing was modelled on by somebody who'd only seen an F1 car once before

No, no, no!

Who cares what it looks like. It's all about performance!

I would suggest something like this.

Should solve the dirty air problem.
dungbeetle
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Excellent vid!

I think it might be a ruse to see if they can convince Ferrari that they might be missing something.

"Hey queeeckly Luigi - fetcha me da rule book!"
dungbeetle
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Quote from sinbad :I'm no Hamilton fan, but he really is the driver everyone loves to hate, and I can't quite understand that. I mean, I get why people don't like him, I just don't get why people seem to enjoy disliking him so much, and enjoy so much arguing at every opportunity with anyone that likes him

Alfred Pennyworth: "Because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn."
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dungbeetle
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Quote from Intrepid :In support of James Allen (YES IN SUPPORT), he is a half decent writer. Far better in print than on the TV!

Yeah, fair comment.

Personally I think "As A Man Thinketh" was his best.
dungbeetle
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Quote from Becky Rose : Now that hit the nail squarely on the head and summed up 6 years of torture. I cannot express in words how I have grown to loathe James Allen's attempts at being one of the lads. In credit to him, he does have the ability to get excited over sometimes dull stuff. Sadly it's so contrived and he's so slimey that when he does it I immediately *want* to be bored just to get away from him, and he's not even in the same country.

'Classic' James Sorry? Speak up a bit, James!

And you know that you've really arrived when people start doing impressions of you ...Ooh, Lewis!
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dungbeetle
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I hope Vettel does it - youngest GP winner ever, beating Alonso by a year!
dungbeetle
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Quote from dungbeetle :"... and as we speak, the McLaren pit crew are out doing a rain dance ..."

"... ah, but not since Hammy's recent change to inters ..."
dungbeetle
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"... and as we speak, the McLaren pit crew are out doing a rain dance ..."
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