Don't know if either of these has been posted as not read the whole thread but.

Blackstone cherry: Lonely train

Big train rolling down the line
Makes me lonely
Sometimes I wish to ride away
Sometimes I want to ride away
Yeah

Big plane flying through the clouds
Makes me worry
Sometimes I wish to fly away
Sometimes I want to fly away

[Chorus:]
But you can't judge a book
Looking at the cover
You can't love someone
While messing with another
No, you can't win a war
Fighting with your brother
You wanna have peace
Gotta love one another

Big guns lighting up the sky
Makes me worry
Sometimes I wish to run away
Sometimes I want to run away

[Repeat Chorus:]
But you can't judge a book
Looking at the cover
You can't love someone
While messing with another
No, you can't win a war
Fighting with your brother
You wanna have peace
Gotta love one another

I have seen my brothers
In ashes on the ground
And maybe in a new life
We can turn this thing around

[Repeat Chorus:]
But you can't judge a book
Looking at the cover
You can't love someone
While messing with another
No, you can't win a war
Fighting with your brother
You wanna have peace
Gotta love one another

No you can't judge a book
Gotta love one another
Can't judge a book
No you can't judge a book


Firefly Tv theme
Take my love, Take my land
Take me where I cannot stand
I don't care I'm still free
You can't take the sky from me

Take me out to the black
Tell ma I aint coming back
Burn the land and boil the sea
You can't take the sky from me

Have no place I can be since I found serenity
You can't take the sky from me.

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

If LFS and FM2 had the same marketing, do you really think LFS would even get close to Forza sales?

My comment was more aimed at:

Quote :

Forza 2 was near enough as much as a good sim as LFS was, 90% there, yet it was 90% more popular....

I am of the opinion that even with the same marketing budget LFS wouldn't sell as many copies as Forza does, however if the devs have the budget that Forza does then they would sell more copies. So to say Forza came out at the right time etc is not strictly true, there is other factors influencing it also.

It does seem to me though that with Forza increasing popularity of sims that maybe LFS will benifit from it also.

Last edited by Greboth, Fri 26 Jun 2009, 10:50.

Not that much of an oldie compared to some of the posters in this thread, but I can relate to what has been said in these pages. While the extent may be worse for those who have been here since 2004 even i can notice it in the 3 years I have been around. I don't play much anymore due to a few reasons but one of them being the racing. I don't enjoy the pick up and play racing that I did when I first started playing. I have mused over this wondering whether it was rose tinted glasses, me being a little bored with lfs in its current state or the quality of racing in pick up and play racing. (All very well saying join a server but I don't have the time to practice enough to race leagues to a decent standard) I have to say though maybe it is a a mix of all 3. The memories that really stick in your memory are those of the good times from that past: the close lap after lap battles, the 1 point victories in leagues etc not the time you got taken out in T1 of a 5 lap race. I have to say though the race craft does seem to be worse then when I joined.

Also Insim has been mentioned in this thread as well. While I see the point and I did enjoy the tier of CTRA when it was running, some of the app that are used are very confusing, even for me after being round a few years nevermind a first timeplayer. While the Insim provides some good things in my opinion it has been used to far, but short of the devs reducing its usefullness or removing it completely (which I can't see happening) I don't see a solution.

The old timer's racing sounds good and would be a server I would be interesting in. Though would also be good if more of the unusual combos were used.

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

Shame LFS didn't beat Forza in the "popularity" stage. Not everyone wants to play a full on sim.

Forza 2 was near enough as much as a good sim as LFS was, 90% there, yet it was 90% more popular....

Then again though FM2 had the advertising budget of 900% bigger than LFS so it would be expected they would sell more copies.

Quote from el pibe :

forza is good if u are there to fool around. the WR's are full of glitches/cheats/impossible times.... and the tuning is a joke... a 700bhp VW Golf.... a fwd with 700 horses... that is not real at all....
even worse... a RWD Honda civic type-r .....
/me is talking about FM2
but i must say that i love my race tuned ferrari 599... and half a year later i have done it... ferrari released the 599xx... i guess they took my xbox and saw how awesome it was... =P

Tbh the tuning in FM2 was alright, there was some good bits and some bad. As you said 700 bhp fwd cars is bad but then I did quite enjoy that you could put new engines (SR20 and RB26 IIRC) into the Nissan 240z.

I will be getting FM3 when it comes out but I don't think anyone is expecting it to be a full sim. While it will be close and simulate cars pretty damn well I think they will of dumbed things down a bit.

Quote from oli17 :

there are more molecules in a glass of water than grains of sand in the entire world.

Always thought it was "There are more atoms in a glass of water, than there are glasses of water in the whole world." But either way, that is one BIG number.