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https://www.lfs.net/forum/post/2076305#post2076305

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...these development models have the model object centre correctly located at the lowest point of the model, instead of at rough ground level or whatever other random position they were in the old versions.

Quote from Bandit77 :

I thought it'd only pop out without any load, but it does instantly when pulling the stick into neutral position. That's kind of suboptimal programming, I have to say. IRL you'd have to pull like an ass to get it out of gear under load.

I thought about these situations too, when I first tried a stick shifter. There is no good way to program it because it is a hardware limitation: The shifter can not "hold" the stick in position like in a real car.
The alternative would be that virtual stick and real stick go out of sync.

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...maybe with a direct usb connection if people want a cheap shifter to accompany some better wheels. Oh well, can't do anything about it to be fair Shrug

I do not like that either. Fanatec does the same thing, their shifter only works when connected to a wheel-base. Depending which wheel you use, you need the right adapter.

The Logitech shifter can be used stand-alone with a small Arduino project:


...or buy it as finished product:
https://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=188
This part sounds interesting:

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Gear position sensors can be calibrated in our easy to use software.
Switching thresholds can be adjusted with our software and permanently stored inside the device.
Especially useful for shifters with old worn gaitors.

Why can Logitech not just include such option in their software? Maybe they are afraid of people using it wrong.

Also it seems many parts can be found as files for 3D printing.
For example this part for the switching lanes/gates that hold the stick in position:
https://cults3d.com/de/modell-3d/spiel/logitech-g25-g27-g29-h-pattern-remix

If you copy the URLs directly into browser then it says: "This content is no longer available."
The pictures were linked to discord but are no longer hosted there.
Discord is not reliable for image hosting, just attach to forum directly.

I am not aware of any software to calibrate the shifter.
But here is a manual on how to open the G27 Shifter:
https://de.ifixit.com/Anleitung/Logitech+G27+Potentiometer+der+Schaltung+tauschen/42378
Check the potentiometer, whether is has become loose or dirty.
The text is german but there are many pictures. I think the G923 shifter is similar.

Shifting into neutral does not strictly require clutch.

The only maybe relevant tool I know of is Dxtweak.
It is popular for tweaking game controllers, setting deadzones etc. No idea if it is useful for this particular problem.

I think it got automatically unpublished for being over the polygons limit.
https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106757

I think Track Editor is not planned anytime soon or at all.
There was a screenshot that showed the editor but with an explanation that it is only usable for internal use.

I do not remember any posts about dynamic weather or rain.
Day/Night cycle is planned but iirc no weather.

By my reading, LFS is currently developed in two separate versions.
One version with the big changes, and one version that we are currently playing. Both get developed in parallel.
Sometimes changes from the "new" version seem to bleed over into the "public" version, for example the moving subojects. (pop-up headlights etc) or changes to dust effect. However the big plan is to combine into one version.

That version includes changes like:
-new tire physics
-new graphics systems:
--less stutter, especially in VR, by better syncing physics and graphics updates at 1000Hz (or something like that)
--day/night, dynamic lights
-new objects (signs with editable letters, more chalk marks, curbs etc)


Other updates in progress are:
-overhaul existing tracks
-larger area for South City
-two new tracks (Airfield Racetrack & Testing Ground)
-higher resolution for analog input

Last edited by Gutholz, Tue 26 Mar 2024, 18:10.

Hi
http://www.r4ptor.dk/community/LFS/HQWireKits/ (png and svg files)
or
http://www.barkingpig.org/msz/pages/kits.php (psd file)

HEL is the helmet.

Is that not simply a matter of setting brake/throttle to "seperate" instead of "combined"?
The fourth option in your screenshot.

With the new animation system, is it possible to have the cardan shaft spin depending on engine RPM?
It is quite visible in that truck so might be a good experiment.

Nice.
Randomly attached two photos of the "Ente" I sometimes see around here.

Also, for next project can you please pick a vehicle with a more normal suspension that is supported by LFS without tricks?

gonzabwt has just posted a McLaren MCL38 here: https://www.lfs.net/forum/post/2085447#post2085447
The other skins are teams from previous years.

In the Finished Skins subforum, the posts do not have the REACT button. (to add smilies)
https://www.lfs.net/forum/67-Finished-skins
As far as I looked, it is only missing in that forum.

I went from mouse to Logitech Momo (240°) to G27 and had similar problems to adjust. Always it seemed too slow to steer, at first.
With the G27 I used what degrees whatever numbers it showed in pit menu, it is different between cars.
I downloaded some "Figure 8" layout with cones from the forum and just slowly drove around that to get used to the feel. That seemed to help. Eventually I noticed that actually it was not necessary to turn the wheel quite as fast and much as I thought. Afterall in a real car one can not go lock-to-lock in one second either.

Also try with default cars first. Some mod cars have bit weird FFB because their suspensions are whacky.

Do real race cars purposely use clutches with more narrow bite points? Maybe for faster gear changes?
I have very briefly driven two "race cars", prepared for slalom by friends of a friend. (cars purely for track usage, with rollcages and all that)
One was a Ford Kadett C and the other a BMW. We all had some difficulty when slowly rolling to the start line. Very bumpy or even stalling.

Animation No 2 is more visible but I think the brushes do not move like that in real life?
As far as I have see, the arms only move to better follow the gutter or to get around obstacles.
Maybe there is an extra wiggle-mode if a specific spot needs to be cleaned (like oil spill or glass?) but I have never seen a sweeper operate like that.
But it looks funny so both animations are okay for me.

Maybe some colore elements like this would make the rotation even more visible?

source: https://balaisnomad.com/en/piranha

The front pillars of the cockpit seem quite thick.
Usually in such vehicles they are as thin as possible to provide best visibility, also to the sides. (Compare to Flame's picture)

Some specs from Volvo website:
https://web.archive.org/web/20071022144322/http://volvo.com/bus/global/en-gb/products/city+buses/chassis/Volvo+B7R/specifications+E3.htm

Gross weight (GVW): 18 metric tonnes
Steering angle: 50 degrees
Output: D7E290, 213 kW, 1200Nm

The mod is too light and has too much power.

Is that a mod?
Did you look at https://www.lfs.net/files/vehmods ?
What is the exact name, forum search find no reference to a "Pro2" mod.
This one is has 02 in its name, maybe you mean that:
https://www.lfs.net/files/vehmods/BC858B

Quote from michal 1279 :

I'm not sure if real life pit limiter would use brakes to slow the car down though, I think this would probably happen irl as well.

I looked at aftermarket pit limiters that I found in random shops on the internet.
None of those mentioned the use of brakes, all just limit throttle position or engine RPM.
For professional motorsport I found nothing clear in any rules, however several websites say something like "The limiter only prevents the car accelerating beyond that speed once it's already below it."

I think tweaking the control loop does not solve this.
The car can only slown down at a certain rate from friction etc.
If the acceleration from a slope or wind (or spinning tires suddenly gaining grip) exceeds that rate then there is nothing that the system can do, no matter how fast or soon it closes the throttle.
Only a larger safety margin would help for some situations. (limit to 78km/h instead of 79.xx or whatever)
If the downward slope is long and steep enough then some vehicles might always exceed the speed limit.

random fun fact from F1 rulebook:

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One gear change is permitted after the race or sprint session has started and before the car
speed has reached 80km/h, provided every gear fitted to the car is capable of achieving at
least 80km/h at 15,000rpm.

With some cars in LFS it is popular to adjust the 1st gear ratio so that it will reach a topspeed just under the speed limit. (79.9 km/h)
According to real life F1 rules that trick would be illegal.

cute. rotating brushy brushes please!

The main advantage of better/newer wheels is in my opinion that they have more rotation. That feels much more realistic.
My first FFB wheel was a Logitech Momo (somewhat comperable to Driving Force EX?), then Logitech G27.
Both still work okay, never had to repair anything.
The G27 feels much more robust. Especially the pedals are much better, more travel range and just overall better quality.
The Fanatec wheel of a friend feels even better. I think with wheels it also depends a bit on luck, like with any hardware. One lose part can "break" it but sometimes it is a relatively easy fix. (like glue in a loose potiometer)

Quote from rane_nbg :

There is indeed the most time and organization involved for league and other events, however, those are at best on a 1 week basis. There you will see only the best and most dedicated LFS drivers and for a new racer, there is not much fun, even if one manages somehow to get passed the qualifying session.

I think it depends, often there are some slower and more casual drivers at the end of the grid.
Why would qualifying be a problem? Some events require minimum laptime (like 107% rule in F1) but that is rare. Just ask in chat or forum for a setup, practice a bit and be aware of cars around you. I would not overthink it.

Regarding translation, there is
3a_rtiosort "ratio" which I assume means power-to-weight-ratio.
To me, just "ratio" seems a bit vague/confusing because it raises the question "Ratio between what numbers?"
Maybe it is clear from the context of the GUI.
"power-to-weight-ratio" would be self-explaining but it is a long word.

German translation would be "Leistungsgewicht" which I believe is the correct technical term and has a clear meaning.
However it does not fit by one letter.
Now I put "Verhältnis" (="ratio") but in german that sounds even more vague to me than the english version.

Quote from Scawen :

I suppose most of the things you mention (jobs/repairs/trade of items) could be done using fixed prices (...)

It would not be the same gameplay experience. The interesting thing is that players can do business with eacher, in whatever ways they please. It is not limited to a handful of scripted fixed options.
Such economics naturally develop in many multiplayer games.

Here is a video about a famous example:
Elite is an multiplayer space simulation. Players can be traders, pirates, explorers, fight each other or form alliances and so on. Importantly, you can run out of fuel and be stranded in some empty corner of the galaxy. So some players formed a guild named "Fuel Rats" whose service is to rescue such stranded pilots by bringing them fuel. Over time things got much more complex, for example even the most "evil" space pirates do not shot at the ships of Fuel Rats because they became so respected.

Such system was never intended by the developers, it developed naturally through player interaction. I think it is an interesting video about such ingame economics and what fascinates players about it.



On the other hand, trading ingame-money for real-money is always a bad thing. It is bad for the gameplay and people.
Often you have people in poorer countries "farming" ingame-items that are bought by richer gamers.
It is also impossible to prevent and it has some edge cases.

However, it should be possible to prevent account-sharing through technical means.
(ip-logging and so on)

Quote from hsvdin0 :

if accounts are rented and people earn TC Cash and sell it to other users to earn real money they can eventually buy their own, NEW LFS license (stonks for our bike-boy and Victor vV).

I doubt that many people eventually buy new licenses.
Most people likely share accounts simply they can play for free.
Maybe someone can do the math:
How many hours do you need to play until you have enough TC-money to buy a LFS license?
How does that compare to working a normal average job?
How does LFS license price relate to all the other stuff needed to play? (computer, internet, controller hardware)

good job mixing the screen recording with real world wheel

Those LFS logos on random items are awesome.

I love going through those 1€-stores and just looking what kind of useless stuff they sell. Sadly not too much funny knock-off stuff here, maybe german laws are too strict.

There is LFS Record: https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/72001