That is usually an error in the mod and creators can fix it:
https://www.lfs.net/forum/post/1986239#post1986239
I see you have already started on the model but maybe for next project 
How about a rear-engine layout? Like Auto Union Typ C:
view from all sides:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Autounion_TypC_BasicInfos_noBG_01.jpg
Or this Alfa:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Alfa_Romeo_Tipo_512
How about a rear-engine layout? Like Auto Union Typ C:
view from all sides:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Autounion_TypC_BasicInfos_noBG_01.jpg
Or this Alfa:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Alfa_Romeo_Tipo_512
You can use H-shifter with any type of gearbox. Of course it will be a bit strange in some cases, like motorcycles or modern F1.
Of the official cars: I counted 12.
All the roadcars, the two roadsters, two of the GTR.
Of the mod cars:
Maybe 50%, there are too many to count.
It shows transmission type if you click on the pictures at https://www.lfs.net/files/vehmods
Single seaters with H-pattern:
https://www.lfs.net/files/vehmods/CFB38F
https://www.lfs.net/files/vehmods/2CFDA1
https://www.lfs.net/files/vehmods/18CF01
https://www.lfs.net/files/vehmods/6786C3
I might have missed some.
Of the official cars: I counted 12.
All the roadcars, the two roadsters, two of the GTR.
Of the mod cars:
Maybe 50%, there are too many to count.
It shows transmission type if you click on the pictures at https://www.lfs.net/files/vehmods
Single seaters with H-pattern:
https://www.lfs.net/files/vehmods/CFB38F
https://www.lfs.net/files/vehmods/2CFDA1
https://www.lfs.net/files/vehmods/18CF01
https://www.lfs.net/files/vehmods/6786C3
I might have missed some.
That is not true.
The difference is maybe that most games have no official modsystem or automatic download.
Instead mods are usually hosted on external player-run websites. Such websites are much harder to shut down because anyone can create a new one or re-upload the mod to a filehosting service. But that does not make it legal. And sometimes they do get shut down.
Also when you look at the example games like BeamNG, there is always guidelines like this: https://wiki.beamng.com/Modding_Guidelines.html#To_avoid_.E2.9D.8C
As someone who also played rFactor (which has tons of mods):
It does have the same issues with copyright. The only difference is that unlike LFS, rF does not have an automatic mod download hosted on the official website.
On websites that hosted rF mods it was not uncommon to read threads like this:
https://www.isrtv.com/forums/topic/11732-rfactor-f1-mods-do-not-post-here/
But from the comment section it seems they also have restrictions:
The case of BMW formular car with Mercedes skins is something completly different. First thing, the BMW logos are not removeable and can not be painted over with skins . Second, it is likely part of the contract that the BMW cars can be painted like any other cars.
/edit: Two guys were faster typers than me.
This could have all been avoided by asking beforehand: "Why are are some cars not in the editor?"
Similiar, when looking for 3D models on websites, why not ask the uploader where the file comes from?
Oooh, some guy named xXxTuneStreetSwagLordxXx has uploaded 20 game-quality models in one month, with no website no portfolio, no WIP pictures. He says it is all free to download. Seems legit.
...
Whaaaat? It was a rip from Forza?! How could I have known?
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To me it looks like this:
Red car is to the left of the track, already almost on grass. He has nowhere to go.
Black car is passing on the right and gets too near to red car.
As said, red car is already at the edge of the track. Yes, he turns the wheel a tiny bit to the right but I would not call it "steering into me before crash." It is just the normal small wheel movements that one always does even when going in a straight line.
He can not go further to the left else he would risk running off the track.
If you pass someone who is already that close to the grass and pass that close that any tiny movement will cause contact then it is imo your fault.
That is just my impression from the videos. 5 seconds video clips are too short to judge this.
Red car is to the left of the track, already almost on grass. He has nowhere to go.
Black car is passing on the right and gets too near to red car.
As said, red car is already at the edge of the track. Yes, he turns the wheel a tiny bit to the right but I would not call it "steering into me before crash." It is just the normal small wheel movements that one always does even when going in a straight line.
He can not go further to the left else he would risk running off the track.
If you pass someone who is already that close to the grass and pass that close that any tiny movement will cause contact then it is imo your fault.
That is just my impression from the videos. 5 seconds video clips are too short to judge this.
To be honest the original model looked totally good enough to me. 
But if you think you can do even better..thats okay too!
But if you think you can do even better..thats okay too!
-audio is clipping (shift+a)
-text on license plate is shifted. Try text "12345678", the last letter will "wrap around" and a part of it is shown at left edgge.
-text on license plate is shifted. Try text "12345678", the last letter will "wrap around" and a part of it is shown at left edgge.
The default setup and lowest possible suspension are too low.
The wheels clip through the body (especially front wheels when turning)
Otherwise great looking good, love the detailed cockpit.
The wheels clip through the body (especially front wheels when turning)
Otherwise great looking good, love the detailed cockpit.
Maybe it would be better to have the results in two or three columns? That would allow for 80 or 120 entries without need for extra buttons. I think it is better to have GUI that does not need rarely used extra buttons and would allow to show all results at once.
Qualifying modes are perfect use-case for insim or human admins, imo. Especially with how many possible variants and special rules there are.
Qualifying modes are perfect use-case for insim or human admins, imo. Especially with how many possible variants and special rules there are.
Ah yes, outgauge settings. Looks like this now:
but still only zeros are displayed. Even when in cockpit view.
What I mainly want is small displays for: gear, rpm, speed.
Because some mods do not show that in the cockpit. I would like to disable all other messages/displays.
/edit:
Now it showed this attached error.
The german part reads: Usually every socket adress (protocol, network adress or connection) maybe only used once.
Maybe some sockets are not closed correctly?
OutGauge Mode 1
OutGauge Delay 1
OutGauge IP 127.0.0.1
OutGauge Port 30000
OutGauge ID 0but still only zeros are displayed. Even when in cockpit view.
What I mainly want is small displays for: gear, rpm, speed.
Because some mods do not show that in the cockpit. I would like to disable all other messages/displays.
/edit:
Now it showed this attached error.
The german part reads: Usually every socket adress (protocol, network adress or connection) maybe only used once.
Maybe some sockets are not closed correctly?
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The app told me:
"InSim : password does not match your multiplayer admin password"
So I cleared the password I had set in "Start Server" menu and it worked.
In the pre-race screen, it should hide itself. (It makes the startgrid list disappear.)
Ingame the displayed numbers are just "0" "0,0" and "0,00%"?
They do not change when driving.
Mods that are still in development are marked with a "WIP". (= work in progress)
I understand your point.
I hate it on wikis or github (where multiple users edit text or code together) and someone commits dozen of changes every minute.
It is like everytime they save locally, they also upload or publish. That is not the way.
Many quick uploads should only be done when nessecary, which is rare.
https://www.lfs.net/files/vehmods/C0B610?changelog is another example
today, 5:44
today, 6:03
today, 6:29
today, 6:59
today, 7:16
today, 7:20
today, 7:40
today, 8:49
today, 8:51
today, 8:51
today, 8:54
today, 8:57
At least nobody is hassling them about more progress reports
I understand your point.
I hate it on wikis or github (where multiple users edit text or code together) and someone commits dozen of changes every minute.
It is like everytime they save locally, they also upload or publish. That is not the way.
Many quick uploads should only be done when nessecary, which is rare.
https://www.lfs.net/files/vehmods/C0B610?changelog is another example
today, 5:44
today, 6:03
today, 6:29
today, 6:59
today, 7:16
today, 7:20
today, 7:40
today, 8:49
today, 8:51
today, 8:51
today, 8:54
today, 8:57
At least nobody is hassling them about more progress reports
With a few exceptions, most mods have only been used in casual short races.
I think it might be better to wait a bit. In the meantime see which cars turn out to be popular, test out balance in shorter events and races etc. It also allows people more time to get familiar with new cars and build setups.
I think it might be better to wait a bit. In the meantime see which cars turn out to be popular, test out balance in shorter events and races etc. It also allows people more time to get familiar with new cars and build setups.
random example: https://www.lfs.net/files/vehmods/CB9FC7?changelog has the last updates in 10 minutes intervals and ~10 updates in a few hours.
Old versions need to be kept so that you can watch old replays.
There are situations where many uploads in a short time can be useful.
For example when several people are working on the physics together, giving feedback etc.
I think the better solution is an option an option to delete old versions (and re-download when needed, like skins)
Plus modders and server owners might have to think if too many updates or too many untested WIP cars are eventually becoming annoying.
It is also fault of servers when they allow so many WIP mods.
Old versions need to be kept so that you can watch old replays.
There are situations where many uploads in a short time can be useful.
For example when several people are working on the physics together, giving feedback etc.
I think the better solution is an option an option to delete old versions (and re-download when needed, like skins)
Plus modders and server owners might have to think if too many updates or too many untested WIP cars are eventually becoming annoying.
It is also fault of servers when they allow so many WIP mods.
Not FO8 but at the moment two other formular leagues are running.
with F1:
https://www.lfs.net/forum/497-Season-2
E-Challenger:
https://www.lfs.net/forum/507-E-Challenge-2022
I fail to find the post but someone explained it is caused by the engine properties. The torque curve and redline, something like that.
Here is a combo that the AI does not handle so well:
Buggy 1600 https://www.lfs.net/files/vehmods/277019 at Blackwood Rallyecross, both directions. Also Fernbay Rallye Green.
On the asphalt parts they brake in a way that just makes them skid for dozen of meters right past the turn, every time.
AI skins are randomly reseting between races. (Might be an old known bug, I never played much with AI) Once I had several mod cars and XRT, all with unique skins. After some restarts and track changes, half the cars were set to solid color paintshops. With the buggys, I had 6 cars in different colors. After changing track, all cars were black/white.
Also how about a button "Add as AI" in the garage next to "Join"?
To more easily add an AI with the current car,setup,skin.
Buggy 1600 https://www.lfs.net/files/vehmods/277019 at Blackwood Rallyecross, both directions. Also Fernbay Rallye Green.
On the asphalt parts they brake in a way that just makes them skid for dozen of meters right past the turn, every time.
AI skins are randomly reseting between races. (Might be an old known bug, I never played much with AI) Once I had several mod cars and XRT, all with unique skins. After some restarts and track changes, half the cars were set to solid color paintshops. With the buggys, I had 6 cars in different colors. After changing track, all cars were black/white.
Also how about a button "Add as AI" in the garage next to "Join"?
To more easily add an AI with the current car,setup,skin.
There are only two oval tracks, for the longest time there was only one. Still people are doing oval races.
I think there are enough rallyecross tracks (including custom layouts) that there is decent places to race such buggy. It does not need roadtires in my opinion.
I was surprised how much it understeered on asphalt. Not saying if it is bad or unrealistic, honestly I have no idea, and I only tried briefly with mouse. Just when you brake from high speed and turn in a bit...you plow straight ahead. On dirt it handles better. Add some AI drivers on Blackwood Rallye or Fernbay Green, they act very surprised too.
I guess it is due to all the weight at the rear.
I think there are enough rallyecross tracks (including custom layouts) that there is decent places to race such buggy. It does not need roadtires in my opinion.
I was surprised how much it understeered on asphalt. Not saying if it is bad or unrealistic, honestly I have no idea, and I only tried briefly with mouse. Just when you brake from high speed and turn in a bit...you plow straight ahead. On dirt it handles better. Add some AI drivers on Blackwood Rallye or Fernbay Green, they act very surprised too.
I guess it is due to all the weight at the rear.new steering wheel is better than the old airplane yoke, but too small.
Compare it with the hands, it is only 3 hands wide or so. Hands animation is actually good though.
The rear lights can disappear into the chasis when the rear is damaged:
Sometimes that actually gives a nice effect ("lights destroyed in crash") but sometimes it looks bit strange.
When viewed from above, the level of detail changes to a solid colored block.
red&orange are Poly Parvus. White is a FT28R mod car with same problem.
Other cars are a default XRT, RR07, UZM 1700 TURBO: They still show some rough details (front window etc) at that distance.
Compare it with the hands, it is only 3 hands wide or so. Hands animation is actually good though.
The rear lights can disappear into the chasis when the rear is damaged:
Sometimes that actually gives a nice effect ("lights destroyed in crash") but sometimes it looks bit strange.
When viewed from above, the level of detail changes to a solid colored block.
red&orange are Poly Parvus. White is a FT28R mod car with same problem.
Other cars are a default XRT, RR07, UZM 1700 TURBO: They still show some rough details (front window etc) at that distance.
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I tried AI with various mods on Southcity and Westhill and they drove okay. I added 5 or 6 mod cars with 2 AI drivers each, using lower class race cars.
AI racing was more interesting to watch now because of the speed differences. Of course they did their known derpy moves and sometimes are too robotic in always driving the same line. But overall it is less noticeable with many different cars and there was more passing and action (good and bad) on track.
skin template generator:
Would it be possible to export wireframes with random background colors for the parts?
With some cars it is hard tell which part you are looking at. (road cars are easy but aero elements are often hard to identify. Now we have even more unusual shapres like go-karts)
AI racing was more interesting to watch now because of the speed differences. Of course they did their known derpy moves and sometimes are too robotic in always driving the same line. But overall it is less noticeable with many different cars and there was more passing and action (good and bad) on track.
skin template generator:
Would it be possible to export wireframes with random background colors for the parts?
With some cars it is hard tell which part you are looking at. (road cars are easy but aero elements are often hard to identify. Now we have even more unusual shapres like go-karts)
Finally a dashboard 
but it is bit stretched/deformed.
When hitting a wall sideways, the wall is often visible through the cockpit. (See the attached replay from cockpitview) Maybe the collisionbox ist a bit off?
With latest testpatch it also gives warning "Cross-texture triangle found in LOD2 - mapping corrected" but I did not notice it causing problems, yet.
but it is bit stretched/deformed.When hitting a wall sideways, the wall is often visible through the cockpit. (See the attached replay from cockpitview) Maybe the collisionbox ist a bit off?
With latest testpatch it also gives warning "Cross-texture triangle found in LOD2 - mapping corrected" but I did not notice it causing problems, yet.
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suspension looks way too low: the tires clip through the chasis.
Especially the front wheels clip when steering and max steering of 60° looks comically high..
Especially the front wheels clip when steering and max steering of 60° looks comically high..
Is there a checklist for mod approval?
I ask because I saw this post: https://www.lfs.net/forum/post/1986522#post1986522
The mod is good but it was approved without having LODs. It seems like something a checklist would have caught. I could start writing such list but not sure if there already is one but of there is demand.
I ask because I saw this post: https://www.lfs.net/forum/post/1986522#post1986522
The mod is good but it was approved without having LODs. It seems like something a checklist would have caught. I could start writing such list but not sure if there already is one but of there is demand.
I noticed the same problem as Papator.
It happens randomly on crashes, the force of the impact does not seem to matter much. It can happen when lightly touching a wall, too.
The car's graphic stay messed up even after restarting the race with SHIFT+R.
(see screenshot: start light is red but car is already messed up)
A few other other cars have similiar problems, for example DORITO-GTO:
https://www.lfs.net/forum/post/1983936#post1983936
It happens randomly on crashes, the force of the impact does not seem to matter much. It can happen when lightly touching a wall, too.
The car's graphic stay messed up even after restarting the race with SHIFT+R.
(see screenshot: start light is red but car is already messed up)
A few other other cars have similiar problems, for example DORITO-GTO:
https://www.lfs.net/forum/post/1983936#post1983936
I think it is not good that people can simply remove their published mods just like that. Unless there are serious issues to resolve. (like the sound-bug some time ago or license problems)
Also it would be nice to have a message on the website like "removed by staff: reason" or "this mod is set to private" when following a link. Currently it just directs to the list view.
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